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How would you prefer the 114th congress be set up? How will it be?

GOP House/GOP Senate
107
32%
GOP House/ Dem Senate (current)
25
8%
Dem House/ Dem Senate
148
45%
Dem House/ GOP Senate
8
2%
Other?
42
13%
 
Total votes : 330

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Grenartia
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Postby Grenartia » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:28 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Ok? The worship of Money.

What else?

The worship of money is not one of them. I am referring to 1. liberty and 2. faith.


1. If you and the GOP really cared about liberty, then neither of you would be opposing LGBT equal rights.

2. Please, tell me how anybody's faith (except for Muslims and non-Christians who aren't Jewish) is being oppressed. Like seriously. This is exactly the state of affairs in America:

Image


As a Christian, please, shut up, we're not being fucking oppressed. We're the ones doing the oppressing (well, I'm not, but as a whole, most of our religion is).
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:28 pm

Olerand wrote:
The worship of money is an American value. From the 1700s to the present. Money's value in America is not comparable to any other developed nation's, and more along the same line as some of the developing or nouveaux riches nations of the world.

That's part of our charm. Ah, to remember turn-of-the-century treaties in which we refused to ban chemical weapon production because the rest of the world goddamn wasn't going to put a limit on Yankee ingenuity.
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Postby Greater Weselton » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:28 pm

Stormwind-City wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:He did.
Faith in God.

Source

And no, faith in a god is not a traditional American value. That's why we're a secular nation and why our founding fathers were deists many of whom criticized Christianity and reaffirmed that this nation is secular.

Here is the source:http://russiapedia.rt.com/prominent-russians/leaders/vladimir-lenin/
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Postby Cata Larga » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:29 pm

After Ted Cruz and his gang nearly drove the U.S. into default? I don't think so.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:29 pm

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Well we have grown a little (or is it soft) as we haven't really tried to exterminate anybody these days.

Gloating is no fun when the losers are dead.
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Postby Greater Weselton » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:30 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:The worship of money is not one of them. I am referring to 1. liberty and 2. faith.


1. If you and the GOP really cared about liberty, then neither of you would be opposing LGBT equal rights.

2. Please, tell me how anybody's faith (except for Muslims and non-Christians who aren't Jewish) is being oppressed. Like seriously. This is exactly the state of affairs in America:

Image


As a Christian, please, shut up, we're not being fucking oppressed. We're the ones doing the oppressing (well, I'm not, but as a whole, most of our religion is).

The birth control mandate was an attack on Christianity.
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Postby Arlenton » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:31 pm

Cata Larga wrote:After Ted Cruz and his gang nearly drove the U.S. into default? I don't think so.

Go check some polls! You really think the Democrats will be the ones gaining seats?

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Postby Stormwind-City » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:31 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Stormwind-City wrote:Source

And no, faith in a god is not a traditional American value. That's why we're a secular nation and why our founding fathers were deists many of whom criticized Christianity and reaffirmed that this nation is secular.

Here is the source:http://russiapedia.rt.com/prominent-russians/leaders/vladimir-lenin/

What paragraph, your source is to long for me to spend 30 minutes searching for what you claim.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:31 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Well we have grown a little (or is it soft) as we haven't really tried to exterminate anybody these days.

Gloating is no fun when the losers are dead.


That's true. Yelling "Suck it Bitch!" to a grave really don't have the desired effect.
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Postby Stormwind-City » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:32 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
1. If you and the GOP really cared about liberty, then neither of you would be opposing LGBT equal rights.

2. Please, tell me how anybody's faith (except for Muslims and non-Christians who aren't Jewish) is being oppressed. Like seriously. This is exactly the state of affairs in America:

Image


As a Christian, please, shut up, we're not being fucking oppressed. We're the ones doing the oppressing (well, I'm not, but as a whole, most of our religion is).

The birth control mandate was an attack on Christianity.

Give me the verse where birth control is mentioned in the Bible.
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Postby The balkens » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:32 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
1. If you and the GOP really cared about liberty, then neither of you would be opposing LGBT equal rights.

2. Please, tell me how anybody's faith (except for Muslims and non-Christians who aren't Jewish) is being oppressed. Like seriously. This is exactly the state of affairs in America:

Image


As a Christian, please, shut up, we're not being fucking oppressed. We're the ones doing the oppressing (well, I'm not, but as a whole, most of our religion is).

The birth control mandate was an attack on Christianity.


WHAT!?

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:33 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
1. If you and the GOP really cared about liberty, then neither of you would be opposing LGBT equal rights.

2. Please, tell me how anybody's faith (except for Muslims and non-Christians who aren't Jewish) is being oppressed. Like seriously. This is exactly the state of affairs in America:

Image


As a Christian, please, shut up, we're not being fucking oppressed. We're the ones doing the oppressing (well, I'm not, but as a whole, most of our religion is).

The birth control mandate was an attack on Christianity.

Brace yourself, because your ego might not survive the shock of what I'm about to say.

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Postby Gauthier » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:33 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Cata Larga wrote:After Ted Cruz and his gang nearly drove the U.S. into default? I don't think so.

Go check some polls! You really think the Democrats will be the ones gaining seats?


If the GOP takes Congress, the Democrats will learn one lesson: Cockblock legislative process non-stop, and people will blame the other guys for it.
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Postby Cata Larga » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:34 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Cata Larga wrote:After Ted Cruz and his gang nearly drove the U.S. into default? I don't think so.

Go check some polls! You really think the Democrats will be the ones gaining seats?

Funnily enough, Americans aren't all that friendly towards people who put their country into a tailspin. The electorate will remember that little episode come November.
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Postby Kistan » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:34 pm

I think the GOP sucks. However, it should be better from my experience than the Democrat-ruled government, even if only a minor bit.
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Postby Arlenton » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:35 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Go check some polls! You really think the Democrats will be the ones gaining seats?


If the GOP takes Congress, the Democrats will learn one lesson: Cockblock legislative process non-stop, and people will blame the other guys for it.

I can't tell if your being sarcastic or not, but that is extremely accurate in American politics.

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Postby Grenartia » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:35 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
1. If you and the GOP really cared about liberty, then neither of you would be opposing LGBT equal rights.

2. Please, tell me how anybody's faith (except for Muslims and non-Christians who aren't Jewish) is being oppressed. Like seriously. This is exactly the state of affairs in America:

Image


As a Christian, please, shut up, we're not being fucking oppressed. We're the ones doing the oppressing (well, I'm not, but as a whole, most of our religion is).

The birth control mandate was an attack on Christianity.


No. It fucking wasn't. It was an attack on unwanted pregnancies and poor ciswomen's health.

As a Christian, ciswomen being able to get free birth control has not at all negatively impacted my practice of my faith. I can still pray as I see fit, I can still read a Bible, I can still talk openly about my faith. Therefore, my religious rights were not infringed. If you can't see it that way, then you need to grow up, build a bridge, and get the fuck over it.
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Postby Williamson » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:35 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
If the GOP takes Congress, the Democrats will learn one lesson: Cockblock legislative process non-stop, and people will blame the other guys for it.

I can't tell if your being sarcastic or not, but that is extremely accurate in American politics.

sad but true

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Postby Othelos » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:36 pm

It probably will. I'm not really worried about it, though.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:36 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
1. If you and the GOP really cared about liberty, then neither of you would be opposing LGBT equal rights.

2. Please, tell me how anybody's faith (except for Muslims and non-Christians who aren't Jewish) is being oppressed. Like seriously. This is exactly the state of affairs in America:

Image


As a Christian, please, shut up, we're not being fucking oppressed. We're the ones doing the oppressing (well, I'm not, but as a whole, most of our religion is).

The birth control mandate was an attack on Christianity.


Well? The world can only hold so many Christians. I am ok with it.
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Postby Stormwind-City » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:37 pm

Kistan wrote:I think the GOP sucks. However, it should be better from my experience than the Democrat-ruled government, even if only a minor bit.

Obama can't get anything passed through congress unless its bombing the sand people, ain't the GOP great!
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Postby United States of The One Percent » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:37 pm

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But what does NSG think? Am I wrong, will the Democrats hold on to the senate?


FiveThirtyEight makes it about 60-40 that they won't. I've got twenty bucks that says they will; will you put up thirty that they won't?

Is a GOP majority a bad thing? What will a GOP Majority lead too [sic]?


Makes no difference unless several Democrats get caught in bed with live boys or dead whores between now and the fourth of November and hand the GOP 60 or more seats. Even then it would make no difference as long as a Democrat is in the Executive Mansion.

Will Obama-care be repealed?


No, but that won't stop them from voting at least 50 times to do so over the next two years rather than doing anything productive.

Could Obama be impeached


The GOP majority in the House could impeach tomorrow if it wanted.

then convicted?


Not unless enough Democrats get caught cutting the heads off people on behalf of ISIS to hand the GOP 67 Senate seats and the two-thirds required for conviction.

If the GOP can win both chambers, what does that mean for 2016?


More GOP incumbents. Anything beyond that is pure guesswork.

President Paul or President Christie or perhaps.....President Bush? OPINIONS! OPINIONS!


I'd vote for a little green frog before I voted for another Clinton or Bush. Christie has way too much baggage; Paul lacks cred with both the party establishment and the Tea Party. That being said, they have to nominate someone.
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Postby Othelos » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:37 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
1. If you and the GOP really cared about liberty, then neither of you would be opposing LGBT equal rights.

2. Please, tell me how anybody's faith (except for Muslims and non-Christians who aren't Jewish) is being oppressed. Like seriously. This is exactly the state of affairs in America:

Image


As a Christian, please, shut up, we're not being fucking oppressed. We're the ones doing the oppressing (well, I'm not, but as a whole, most of our religion is).

The birth control mandate was an attack on Christianity.

? how?

No one is forcing anyone to take birth control.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:37 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:The birth control mandate was an attack on Christianity.


No. It fucking wasn't. It was an attack on unwanted pregnancies and poor ciswomen's health.

As a Christian, ciswomen being able to get free birth control has not at all negatively impacted my practice of my faith. I can still pray as I see fit, I can still read a Bible, I can still talk openly about my faith. Therefore, my religious rights were not infringed. If you can't see it that way, then you need to grow up, build a bridge, and get the fuck over it.


Easy Lass. Ignore him as he likes to spout off.
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Postby The United Territories of Providence » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:37 pm

Dragomerian Islands wrote:
The United Territories of Providence wrote:Optional Read for More Information

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/08/28/why_republicans_will_take_the_senate_123788.html#ixzz3G4oGXjWj

Happy Days are here again. According to most polling organizations, the GOP is favored to win control of the Senate by a healthy margin. Although this might only last 2 years, 2016 is likely to shake up both chambers, still....The GOP is going to win. The users of NS leans to the left....a lot....sometimes bordering on the socialistic. So I can't imagine how this must feel for the more liberal American users, knowing that any hopes you might have had for the congress....gone *poof*. I'm not going to try to be neutral, I'm happy the GOP is going to win. I'm not a conservative, but I feel like we'd all be better off with the GOP controlling both houses. Maybe, just maybe....actual legislation will be passed. Like job saving, bank busting, tax cutting legislation. I'm looking forward to the next 2 years. But I also acknowledge this will be bad on some fronts. Alternative energy, civil liberties and civil rights will probably suffer, along with entitlement programs....but that's just the way it is.
I'm predicting GOP 52/ Dem 48

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But what does NSG think? Am I wrong, will the Democrats hold on to the senate? Is a GOP majority a bad thing? What will a GOP Majority lead too? Will Obama-care be repealed? Could Obama be impeached then convicted? If the GOP can win both chambers, what does that mean for 2016? President Paul or President Christie or perhaps.....President Bush? OPINIONS! OPINIONS!

I am absolutely sure that you would be using a biased source.

Due to the previous elections and how the GOP distances itself from any race that is not white (I would list them but that list would be too long), the GOP crippled itself. The last presidential election was lost for them because they tried a candidate that was too conservative. If they continue down their path, they will not have any majorities or presidential seats.


Believe it or not....the facts have no bias. Unless there is a political earthquake, Republicans are poised for victory.
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