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Postby The United Territories of Providence » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:26 pm

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Harry Reid has been waxing optimistic when asked about the future of Democrats’ hold on the U.S. Senate. In an interview with a local television station last week, the Senate majority leader said it is unlikely that Republicans will gain the six seats necessary to gain control of the upper chamber.

“It'd be very, very hard for them to do that,” he said.

Netting six Senate seats is a challenge, especially since part of that equation would require Republicans to retain their own competitive seats in places like Georgia and Kentucky. But Republicans believe that the stars, moons, and planets are all aligning for just such a changing tide this November.

For one thing, the president's party has historically struggled in the officeholder’s sixth year. What’s more, Democrats have to defend 21 of the 36 seats up for re-election this time, and of the nine most competitive races, seven are currently held by Democrats. Indeed, the top challenge for the party this cycle is defending seats in several states President Obama lost in 2012.

On the other hand, Republicans historically have a difficult time knocking off Democratic incumbents. And this cycle, several vulnerable Democrats have the advantage of family legacies that they hope will shield them against the president’s unpopularity and the changing politics of their states. Indeed, Democratic incumbents have shown resiliency in the polls so far.

But that advantage may be fleeting. While no Republican challenger is leading an incumbent by a significant margin, no Democratic incumbent in a difficult race is polling above 50 percent -- a threshold that has come to signal vulnerability. Republicans view this trend as a sign of their strength heading into Labor Day weekend, after which the campaigns traditionally ramp up and constituents start to pay closer attention to the candidates.

The momentum appears to be on the Republicans’ side, as Obama’s approval rating is low, dissatisfaction with Washington is high, incumbents are showing signs of weakness, and the midterm dynamics and climate are favorable.

Three Democratic-held states already appear to be in the Republicans’ column: Montana, South Dakota, and West Virginia. If the GOP can hang on to Georgia and Kentucky, they would need to pick up just three more to win the majority. And there are a few different pathways that get them there.

One of the most recent examples came in Alaska last week, when Republicans nominated establishment-favored Dan Sullivan to take on Democratic Sen. Mark Begich. The incumbent is leading by 4.6 percentage points in the RCP average, but analysts expect the race to tighten as Sullivan’s general election campaign revs up.

In Colorado, Republican Rep. Cory Gardner cleared what could have been a troublesome GOP field, and is now just 2.5 percentage points behind Democratic Sen. Mark Udall despite months of negative ads targeting him. The Colorado race figures to be one of the closest in the country, and will keep both Republicans and Democrats on their toes up through election night. Though the state isn’t a must-win for Republicans’ hopes of claiming the majority, it will serve as an important race for the party in both the midterm and the presidential contest two years from now. President Obama won there in 2008 and 2012, and a GOP victory in 2014 could have an impact on 2016.


Republicans’ best hopes rest in states Mitt Romney won in 2012: Arkansas, North Carolina, Alaska and Louisiana.

Races in the first two are virtually tied. In Louisiana, Mary Landrieu leads the Republican field by several points, but she falls behind Republican Rep. Bill Cassidy by one point in December runoff matchups (the likely scenario if no one clears the 50 percent mark on Nov. 4). Both Landrieu and Mark Pryor in Arkansas have long-standing, well-respected legacies in their states (both have featured their popular fathers in ads), and could well hold their ground despite the unfavorable climate. Nonetheless, they still remain among the most vulnerable senators, and their Republican opponents are financially competitive.

"For the last five months, Democrats have been saying that their ‘legacy candidates’ provide an advantage, but the data shows it’s irrelevant,” said Brad Dayspring, the spokesman for the NRSC. “If it were true, Landrieu, Begich, Udall, and Pryor would be at or above 50 percent.”

Although Mitch McConnell doesn’t come from a famous Kentucky political family, it could be argued that under that logic, he is also vulnerable. The RCP average shows him leading Alison Lundergan Grimes by just three percentage points, with 47.6 percent of the support. But Republicans could win red state seats in Kentucky and Georgia and still fail to claim the majority. Their chances increase, however, if they make gains in Colorado, or Iowa, or North Carolina or even Michigan. While New Hampshire might be more of a long shot for Republicans compared to other states, a narrowing of that race over the next several weeks could signal trouble for Democrats elsewhere, including in normally dependable Democratic strongholds of Oregon and Minnesota. Democrat Jeanne Shaheen began airing her first negative ad in the Granite State this week.

Lawmakers return from recess in September, when those issues might play out more vividly.

Democrats, meanwhile, will likely reprise legislation on the minimum wage and pay equity, designed to turn out supporters on Nov. 4. Republicans don’t seem to be worried about those issues, and argue that there is little major legislation or an overarching issue to which Democratic incumbents can cling.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/08/28/why_republicans_will_take_the_senate_123788.html#ixzz3G4oGXjWj

Happy Days are here again. According to most polling organizations, the GOP is favored to win control of the Senate by a healthy margin. Although this might only last 2 years, 2016 is likely to shake up both chambers, still....The GOP is going to win. The users of NS leans to the left....a lot....sometimes bordering on the socialistic. So I can't imagine how this must feel for the more liberal American users, knowing that any hopes you might have had for the congress....gone *poof*. I'm not going to try to be neutral, I'm happy the GOP is going to win. I'm not a conservative, but I feel like we'd all be better off with the GOP controlling both houses. Maybe, just maybe....actual legislation will be passed. Like job saving, bank busting, tax cutting legislation. I'm looking forward to the next 2 years. But I also acknowledge this will be bad on some fronts. Alternative energy, civil liberties and civil rights will probably suffer, along with entitlement programs....but that's just the way it is.
I'm predicting GOP 52/ Dem 48

Side note, I can't stand Mitch McConnell and I wish he was gone from the Senate. He can't be the senate leader. At the same time, after watching the Kentucky debates, Grimes is terrible. Her fake politician answers, the lame ads, the empty political rhetoric. She might be worse than Mitch McConnell, I want him gone...but I don't want her either. Anybody else?

But what does NSG think? Am I wrong, will the Democrats hold on to the senate? Is a GOP majority a bad thing? What will a GOP Majority lead too? Will Obama-care be repealed? Could Obama be impeached then convicted? If the GOP can win both chambers, what does that mean for 2016? President Paul or President Christie or perhaps.....President Bush? OPINIONS! OPINIONS!
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Postby Prezelly » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:28 pm

WE wont know till the polls are done.
But I would prefer a radical republican congress to a radical democrat congress at this point in time
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Postby Rhodisia » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:28 pm

Let's just hope the GOP won't go full retard.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:28 pm

Prezelly wrote:WE wont know till the polls are done.
But I would prefer a radical republican congress to a radical democrat congress at this point in time

I do not think you actually mean that.
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Postby Blazedtown » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:29 pm

Democrats win the House. The Republican Party is batshit insane and people are realizing it.
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Postby Prezelly » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:30 pm

Benuty wrote:
Prezelly wrote:WE wont know till the polls are done.
But I would prefer a radical republican congress to a radical democrat congress at this point in time

I do not think you actually mean that.

I do actually. Maybe I'm wrong, we will see, or not
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Postby Olerand » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:30 pm

Unfortunately for the world, I do believe the Republicans will take both chambers. Most unfortunate.
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Postby Rebellious Fishermen » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:30 pm

It's strange that we can win the senate and house but we don't have any significant leaders. Sure, we have leaders, but none of them are president material like the Democrats seem to have.

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Postby Squeeheart » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:31 pm

Rhodisia wrote:Let's just hope the GOP won't go full retard.

Who is to say the Republicans haven't already done that?

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Postby Benuty » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:31 pm

Blazedtown wrote:Democrats win the House. The Republican Party is batshit insane and people are realizing it.

You cannot kill the beast by stabbing it...however the song said nothing about bloodletting it to death.
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Postby The United Territories of Providence » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:33 pm

Rebellious Fishermen wrote:It's strange that we can win the senate and house but we don't have any significant leaders. Sure, we have leaders, but none of them are president material like the Democrats seem to have.


Their names are Rand Paul and Jon Huntsman
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Postby The United Territories of Providence » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:34 pm

Squeeheart wrote:
Rhodisia wrote:Let's just hope the GOP won't go full retard.

Who is to say the Tea Party haven't already done that?


Fixed, I think that's what you meant. We're not all full retard....just those guys....freaking Bachmann I tell you....
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Postby Galactic Russian Empire » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:35 pm

Anything is better than the gridlock we're experiencing now, if Congress where to unite under one party, that'd be fantastic. Something might actually get done.
Albeit, I would prefer a Democrat dominated Congress, but, again, anything is better than now.

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Postby Myrensis » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:36 pm

The "Liberals" have been aware that this was going to be a crappy year for some time now. This is after all the end of the 2008 wave, where all those seats picked up on the backs of anti-Bush resentment in more conservative leaning areas are vulnerable.

That said I don't expect the GOP victory to gain them much. There's no scenario in which they get a veto proof majority, so the most likely outcome of the election is that rather than all the inane Tea Party stuff getting stopped in the Senate, it gets stopped by Obama's veto pen. And the GOP's behavior for the last six years doesn't give them a lot of wiggle room for gaining public sympathy. "Well yeah, we've been behaving like spoiled children and grinding the government to a crawl out of petty spite because we lost elections, but that's because we were trying to stop Socialist Kenyan Muslim Tyranny! Now that we've actually managed to win an election in an off year heavily stacked in our favor, the Democrats need to respect the will of the people and give us everything we want!"

I would dearly love for them to actually go ahead with impeachment though, an endless source of amusement plus a guaranteed Democrat sweep in 2016? Yes please.

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Postby Olerand » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:36 pm

The United Territories of Providence wrote:
Rebellious Fishermen wrote:It's strange that we can win the senate and house but we don't have any significant leaders. Sure, we have leaders, but none of them are president material like the Democrats seem to have.


Their names are Rand Paul and Jon Huntsman

I don't know the second guy, but oh Lord no, Rand Paul!

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Postby Williamson » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:37 pm

while im a democrat and would rather have them when both the house and senate, im starting to think that the gop win both would be better than what we have now.

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Postby Rebellious Fishermen » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:37 pm

Olerand wrote:
The United Territories of Providence wrote:
Their names are Rand Paul and Jon Huntsman

I don't know the second guy, but oh Lord no, Rand Paul!

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Jon Huntsman is good but he isn't/won't run.

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Postby Demphor » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:41 pm

Give me a Democratic Senate and a GOP House because Republicans in power is always a disaster, or a GOP Senate and a GOP House to show Obama that this is what he deserve for his poor leadership.

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Postby The United Territories of Providence » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:42 pm

Olerand wrote:
The United Territories of Providence wrote:
Their names are Rand Paul and Jon Huntsman

I don't know the second guy, but oh Lord no, Rand Paul!

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Come on....It's either him or Clinton. And she's no Bill, I'd gladly vote for Bill if I could. Besides, Paul has some good ideas. He's reaching out to minorities, but not in the insulting, patronizing way the GOP likes to do. He's more libertarian than republican.

Also Huntsman....here's a video from the RNC in 2012. Spoiler, he believes in Science!
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Postby Grenartia » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:45 pm

Demphor wrote:1. Give me a Democratic Senate and a GOP House because Republicans in power is always a disaster, or a GOP Senate and a GOP House 2. to show Obama that this is what he deserve for his poor leadership.


1. So...status quo? Also, the GOP House has literally caused, through its utter refusal to take any significant actions, most, if not ALL of the major problems currently facing this country. Status quo will only further that trend. Surely, you must realize this.

2. Define "poor leadership". Also, prove its Obama's fault, and not the House Republicans' utterly incompetent dumbfuckery.
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Grenartia wrote:
Demphor wrote:1. Give me a Democratic Senate and a GOP House because Republicans in power is always a disaster, or a GOP Senate and a GOP House 2. to show Obama that this is what he deserve for his poor leadership.


1. So...status quo? Also, the GOP House has literally caused, through its utter refusal to take any significant actions, most, if not ALL of the major problems currently facing this country. Status quo will only further that trend. Surely, you must realize this.

2. Define "poor leadership". Also, prove its Obama's fault, and not the House Republicans' utterly incompetent dumbfuckery.

Obama needs to smash his fist on Congress more. Lets be honest here, the US Congress does not deal in logic or rationale. Otherwise someone would not have almost been caned to death in it.
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Postby Olerand » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:47 pm

The United Territories of Providence wrote:
Olerand wrote:I don't know the second guy, but oh Lord no, Rand Paul!

Lament world! Lament! To the hills, bring that golden cow statue so we may pray to it for refuge, the Lord has forsaken us!


Come on....It's either him or Clinton. And she's no Bill, I'd gladly vote for Bill if I could. Besides, Paul has some good ideas. He's reaching out to minorities, but not in the insulting, patronizing way the GOP likes to do. He's more libertarian than republican.

Also Huntsman....here's a video from the RNC in 2012. Spoiler, he believes in Science!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDmsk0dwPyo

I would take Hillary Clinton over Rand Paul morning, night, day, in my dreams, nightmares etc. etc. etc.
And I am no fan of either Clintons.
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The other guy seems fine though. I suspect he has a below negative probability of succeeding in the Republican Party today then.
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Postby Demphor » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:48 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Demphor wrote:1. Give me a Democratic Senate and a GOP House because Republicans in power is always a disaster, or a GOP Senate and a GOP House 2. to show Obama that this is what he deserve for his poor leadership.


1. So...status quo? Also, the GOP House has literally caused, through its utter refusal to take any significant actions, most, if not ALL of the major problems currently facing this country. Status quo will only further that trend. Surely, you must realize this.

2. Define "poor leadership". Also, prove its Obama's fault, and not the House Republicans' utterly incompetent dumbfuckery.


1. Let's be realistic here, there will be no Democratic majority in the House, and if anything, a near Democratic majority in the Senate

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:50 pm

I'd rather have the status-quo obstructionist bullshit than full Republican control.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:51 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:I'd rather have the status-quo obstructionist bullshit than full Republican control.

How about neither?
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