Are you in favor of Affirmative Action?

[Saiwania]

Now, these colleges still use "socioeconomic affirmative action"; that is, giving extra "points" towards poorer applicants, in their admissions processes, but they are required to be race blind. And they are seemingly going to stay that way after 500 Chinese-Americans protested outside the office of a senator who wanted to repeal 209.

If I were that senator, I'd have gone full steam ahead in attempting to repeal 209 anyways. Even if I would end up losing reelection, it'd be worth it to shove whatever agenda that can be managed down the people's throats.

[Mavorpen]

Now, these colleges still use "socioeconomic affirmative action"; that is, giving extra "points" towards poorer applicants, in their admissions processes, but they are required to be race blind. And they are seemingly going to stay that way after 500 Chinese-Americans protested outside the office of a senator who wanted to repeal 209.

If I were that senator, I'd have gone full steam ahead in attempting to repeal 209 anyways. Even if I would end up losing reelection, it'd be worth it to shove whatever agenda that can be managed down the people's throats.

I don't see why he would lose reelection if we're talking about support for affirmative action. Because contrary to Patridam's claim that Asian-Americans are against affirmative action, they actually support it by a big damn margin.

[Patridam]

Now, these colleges still use "socioeconomic affirmative action"; that is, giving extra "points" towards poorer applicants, in their admissions processes, but they are required to be race blind. And they are seemingly going to stay that way after 500 Chinese-Americans protested outside the office of a senator who wanted to repeal 209.

If I were that senator, I'd have gone full steam ahead in attempting to repeal 209 anyways. Even if I would end up losing reelection, it'd be worth it to shove whatever agenda that can be managed down the people's throats.

You sound like a good bit of Democrats here in America.

I don't see why he would lose reelection if we're talking about support for affirmative action. Because contrary to Patridam's claim that Asian-Americans are against affirmative action, they actually support it by a big damn margin.

Ah, the Huffinton Post. Because that's never ever shown any bias whatsoever. <sarcasm>

Because of underrepresentation as a result of racial discrimination.

Care to prove it's due to racial discrimination?

[Mavorpen]

Ah, the Huffinton Post. Because that's never ever shown any bias whatsoever. <sarcasm>

Why yes, articles written by human beings, who cannot help but let preconceived notions influence what they say, have bias in them. You act like this is some fucking new discovery.

Care to prove it's due to racial discrimination?

Prove WHAT is due to racial discrimination?

[Saiwania]

I don't see why he would lose reelection if we're talking about support for affirmative action. Because contrary to Patridam's claim that Asian-Americans are against affirmative action, they actually support it by a big damn margin.

So wouldn't it be accurate to say that Asian Americans are voting against their own self interests? I'd use a word for this but I don't want to risk crossing any lines this time. I can't fathom why they want Latinos and Blacks to benefit more at their expense. Asians should pursue policies which ensure that they will be at the top of society.

[Mavorpen]

So wouldn't it be accurate to say that Asian Americans are voting against their own self interests?

No. Asian Americans benefit immensely from affirmative action, especially in the workplace.

I'd use a word for this but I don't want to risk crossing any lines this time. I can't fathom why they want Latinos and Blacks to benefit more at their expense. Asians should pursue policies which ensure that they will be at the top of society.

That would be idiotic. That power would be concentrated only in the hands of a select few, and they would be almost exclusively from a select few Asian nationalities. This is the problem with lumping Asians together without regard for consideration where they came from. Asians are one of the more diverse groups. Viewing them as a monolith is downright stupid.

[Patridam]

Care to prove it's due to racial discrimination?

Prove WHAT is due to racial discrimination?

What I quoted that you said. Don't tell me you don't know what you meant?
Put it this way: Provide proof that college admissions processes are still significantly influenced by racial discrimination, thereby necessitating affirmative action.

I don't see why he would lose reelection if we're talking about support for affirmative action. Because contrary to Patridam's claim that Asian-Americans are against affirmative action, they actually support it by a big damn margin.

So wouldn't it be accurate to say that Asian Americans are voting against their own self interests? I'd use a word for this but I don't want to risk crossing any lines this time. I can't fathom why they want Latinos and Blacks to benefit more at their expense. Asians should pursue policies which ensure that they will be at the top of society.

Well, (most) liberal whites support affirmative action, which is also "shooting themselves in the foot", so to speak.

So wouldn't it be accurate to say that Asian Americans are voting against their own self interests?

No. Asian Americans benefit immensely from affirmative action, especially in the workplace.

I can't speak to the workplace, but it does hinder them (more than it does whites, in fact) in college admissions.

[Fanosolia]

I don't see why he would lose reelection if we're talking about support for affirmative action. Because contrary to Patridam's claim that Asian-Americans are against affirmative action, they actually support it by a big damn margin.

So wouldn't it be accurate to say that Asian Americans are voting against their own self interests? I'd use a word for this but I don't want to risk crossing any lines this time. I can't fathom why they want Latinos and Blacks to benefit more at their expense. Asians should pursue policies which ensure that they will be at the top of society.

Maybe because they see themselves as people first?

[Escanthea]

NONONONONONONONONONO!
BECAUSE IT IS STUPID!

[Mavorpen]

Prove WHAT is due to racial discrimination?

What I quoted that you said. Don't tell me you don't know what you meant?
Put it this way: Provide proof that college admissions process are still significantly influenced by racial discrimination, thereby necessitating affirmative action.

When did I say college admissions processes are today significantly influenced by racial discrimination?

[Fanosolia]

NONONONONONONONONONO!
BECAUSE IT IS STUPID!

Calm down and explain your reasoning please.

[Mavorpen]

I can't speak to the workplace, but it does hinder them (more than it does whites, in fact) in college admissions.

No, it doesn't. It hinders only a specific section of Asian Americans simply because of increased opportunities to the less successful Asian-Americans.

[Saiwania]

No, it doesn't. It hinders only a specific section of Asian Americans simply because of increased opportunities to the less successful Asian-Americans.

So which groups don't benefit from affirmative action overall, besides White males? I know for a fact that in order for targeted groups such as Blacks and Latinos to advance that another group has to be suppressed.

[Patridam]

What I quoted that you said. Don't tell me you don't know what you meant?
Put it this way: Provide proof that college admissions process are still significantly influenced by racial discrimination, thereby necessitating affirmative action.

When did I say college admissions processes are today significantly influenced by racial discrimination?

You didn't, directly; but when I tried to ask you to prove what you did say you were confused as to what I wanted you to prove. So I took what I thought was implied from your statement.

Why do minorities so desperately need affirmative action?

Because of underrepresentation as a result of racial discrimination.

Just prove that this purported under-representation is a result of racial discrimination. If you can't, just say so; don't try to go around in circles. If you can, I'd like to hear it.

[Mavorpen]

So which groups don't benefit from affirmative action overall, besides White males?

None, as every group benefits from it. The gains from higher diversity are well known, and it's why most businesses and universities recognize the vetted interest in increasing it.

[Roherst]

Affirmative action has always seemed unfair to me. It's not my fault I was born white and I don't see why a black or Hispanic (although many Hispanics are actually white) person's college application should be treated with preference over mine. The injustices of the past are not mine to pay. I know I will be called a racist by so many people on here but I just want to express my opinion and see what others have to say about it.

Are you in favor of Affirmative Action?

Why or why not?

Also, if you're not from the U.S. does your country have its own version of Affirmative Action?

I completely agree with you

[Mavorpen]

You didn't, directly; but when I tried to ask you to prove what you did say you were confused as to what I wanted you to prove. So I took what I thought was implied from your statement.

I don't see that implication from my statement.

Just prove that this purported under-representation is a result of racial discrimination.

Again, what the fuck are you talking about? What is "this" you're talking about? You're using language as though you're referring to a specific instance, which is odd because I sure as hell haven't referred to anything specific.

[Patridam]

Affirmative action has always seemed unfair to me. It's not my fault I was born white and I don't see why a black or Hispanic (although many Hispanics are actually white) person's college application should be treated with preference over mine. The injustices of the past are not mine to pay. I know I will be called a racist by so many people on here but I just want to express my opinion and see what others have to say about it.

Are you in favor of Affirmative Action?

Why or why not?

Also, if you're not from the U.S. does your country have its own version of Affirmative Action?

I completely agree with you

As do I and many others. The proponents seem to be a somewhat of a vocal minority.

[Saiwania]

None, as every group benefits from it. The gains from higher diversity are well known, and it's why most businesses and universities recognize the vetted interest in increasing it.

Whites can't benefit from affirmative action, because they are the majority group in the US. Therefore, it does not benefit every group.

[Mavorpen]

I completely agree with you

As do I and many others. The proponents seem to be a somewhat of a vocal minority.

No, it's the opposite. The opponents are the vocal minority if national polls are any indication.

[Mavorpen]

None, as every group benefits from it. The gains from higher diversity are well known, and it's why most businesses and universities recognize the vetted interest in increasing it.

Whites can't benefit from affirmative action, because they are the majority group in the US.

They can, and they do. Especially white females.

[Patridam]

Just prove that this purported under-representation is a result of racial discrimination.

Again, what the fuck are you talking about? What is "this" you're talking about? You're using language as though you're referring to a specific instance, which is odd because I sure as hell haven't referred to anything specific.

I asked: Why is Affirmative Action necessary?
You answered: Because of underrepresentation as a result of of racial discrimination.

I would like for you to provide evidence backing up that claim that racial discrimination is the cause of cases of underrepresentation. It should not be difficult to understand.

[Mavorpen]

I asked: Why is Affirmative Action necessary?
You answered: Because of underrepresentation as a result of of racial discrimination.

Yes.

I would like for you to provide evidence backing up that claim that racial discrimination is the cause of cases of underrepresentation. It should not be difficult to understand.

No such claim was made. At fucking all. Not ALL cases of underrepresentation are due to discrimination. Blacks making up 12% of employees in a local business where they make up 14% of the general local population is underrepresentation. That doesn't mean that it's inherently because of racial discrimination.

[Saiwania]

They can, and they do. Especially white females.

Even if you aren't willing to admit that Whites in general don't benefit from affirmative action, it could be accurately said that they are the group least likely to ever be helped by affirmative action as the racial majority in the US.

[Mavorpen]

They can, and they do. Especially white females.

Even if you aren't willing to admit that Whites in general don't benefit from affirmative action, it could be accurately said that they are the group least likely to ever be helped by affirmative action as the racial majority in the US.

That entirely depends on what you mean by "help." And honestly, I don't very much take your opinion on that seriously.