NationStates

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:15 pm**

I don't usually make political topics, mostly because I don't care, but this one got me thinking. That's a lie -- I'm just curious:

Do you think the moderate/Rockefeller Republicans will ever make a comeback in the North?

I feel so dirty now. I'm going to make a thread about sex or beer just to even this out...

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:23 pm**

Neo Kervoskia wrote:I don't usually make political topics, mostly because I don't care, but this one got me thinking. That's a lie -- I'm just curious:

Do you think the moderate/Rockefeller Republicans will ever make a comeback in the North?

I feel so dirty now. I'm going to make a thread about sex or beer just to even this out...

Its difficult to say. It doesn't seem like it. That NY congressional race shows me a party that is going too far to the right. The problem with Bush and the Republicans wasn't that they departed from 'pure' Republican ideologue, but that they just were being hypocrites. They were claiming we need to spend money to defeat terrorism, yet giving tax breaks (you can't increase spending and lower income flow). They increased defense spending like no other, yet condemned Democrats for supporting social programs at home.

I think if people like Palin, Bachmann, and Beck continue to hold so much influence in the party, than no, the party will be a party that represents conservative ideologue only. If they realize that its impossible to make all of America conservative, and try to create a "big tent party" than they have a chance to come back.

It just depends. Personally I am not a Republican, I am a Democrat. I hope they [the Republicans] take my advice, say 'fuck it,' and continue with what they are doing.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:24 pm**

George H.W. Bush was arguably a Rockefeller republican.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:28 pm**

greed and death wrote:George H.W. Bush was arguably a Rockefeller republican.

I'd say that would be debatable. He was from Connecticut, but he became involved in Texas. Perhaps he once was, but once he gave up trying to win in the North, he gave up that nickname as well.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:31 pm**

Local elections? In come places.

National elections? Not likely; Dubya will not be forgotten anytime soon.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:31 pm**

Rolamec wrote:
greed and death wrote:George H.W. Bush was arguably a Rockefeller republican.

I'd say that would be debatable. He was from Connecticut, but he became involved in Texas. Perhaps he once was, but once he gave up trying to win in the North, he gave up that nickname as well.

He coined the term Voodoo economics to described Regan's economics.
Raised Taxes cut military spending.
Policy wise he is not a conservative.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:35 pm**

greed and death wrote:
Rolamec wrote:
greed and death wrote:George H.W. Bush was arguably a Rockefeller republican.

I'd say that would be debatable. He was from Connecticut, but he became involved in Texas. Perhaps he once was, but once he gave up trying to win in the North, he gave up that nickname as well.

He coined the term Voodoo economics to described Regan's economics.
Raised Taxes cut military spending.
Policy wise he is not a conservative.

That's true.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:36 pm**

Rolamec wrote:
greed and death wrote:
Rolamec wrote:
greed and death wrote:George H.W. Bush was arguably a Rockefeller republican.

I'd say that would be debatable. He was from Connecticut, but he became involved in Texas. Perhaps he once was, but once he gave up trying to win in the North, he gave up that nickname as well.

He coined the term Voodoo economics to described Regan's economics.
Raised Taxes cut military spending.
Policy wise he is not a conservative.

That's true.

He also appointed Colin Luther Powell who describes himself as a Rockefeller republican.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:37 pm**

greed and death wrote:George H.W. Bush was arguably a Rockefeller republican.

He was. He got slammed for pretending he was not, though.
"Read my lips, no new taxes."

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:38 pm**

greed and death wrote:
Rolamec wrote:
greed and death wrote:
Rolamec wrote:
greed and death wrote:George H.W. Bush was arguably a Rockefeller republican.

I'd say that would be debatable. He was from Connecticut, but he became involved in Texas. Perhaps he once was, but once he gave up trying to win in the North, he gave up that nickname as well.

He coined the term Voodoo economics to described Regan's economics.
Raised Taxes cut military spending.
Policy wise he is not a conservative.

That's true.

He also appointed Colin Luther Powell who describes himself as a Rockefeller republican.

I said, true. lol I thought about it, and realized my mistake was assuming all Rockefeller republicans were involved in the North, not just their policy.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:40 pm**

Neo Kervoskia wrote:I don't usually make political topics, mostly because I don't care, but this one got me thinking. That's a lie -- I'm just curious:

Do you think the moderate/Rockefeller Republicans will ever make a comeback in the North?

I feel so dirty now. I'm going to make a thread about sex or beer just to even this out...

yeah i think they will. the north isnt as interested in lunacy as the south is. if the republican party wants ANY influence is it going to have to run sane candidates. after they disillusion the teaparty types so they wont vote in primaries any more.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:12 pm**

Zeppy wrote:
greed and death wrote:George H.W. Bush was arguably a Rockefeller republican.

He was. He got slammed for pretending he was not, though.
"Read my lips, no new taxes."

The problem is, if you want expansive social networks and such why would you vote for a republican in democrats clothing when you can vote for the real thing.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:31 pm**

Ashmoria wrote:
Neo Kervoskia wrote:I don't usually make political topics, mostly because I don't care, but this one got me thinking. That's a lie -- I'm just curious:

Do you think the moderate/Rockefeller Republicans will ever make a comeback in the North?

I feel so dirty now. I'm going to make a thread about sex or beer just to even this out...

yeah i think they will. the north isnt as interested in lunacy as the south is. if the republican party wants ANY influence is it going to have to run sane candidates. after they disillusion the teaparty types so they wont vote in primaries any more.

I agree. The north, and especially the northeast, likes a nice balance between liberal social justice policies and conservative fiscal policies. When it comes to rights and civil liberties, you get a lot of alliance between left and right. But one thing yankees do not like is screaming weirdos in stupid hats shouting us down while we're trying to scold our local politicians at public meetings. As long as the rightwing continues to act out like it's been doing, I predict the north will keep moving towards the left to keep them out.

Posted: **Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:38 am**

Well according to some "Tea party" types and the large "Conservative" pundits all Rockefeller Republicans are RINOs who should be kicked out. So really the question is, when are the Rockefeller Republicans going to wise up and quit siding with a group that wants to exterminate their ideas?

Posted: **Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:41 am**

Neo Kervoskia wrote:I don't usually make political topics, mostly because I don't care, but this one got me thinking. That's a lie -- I'm just curious:

Do you think the moderate/Rockefeller Republicans will ever make a comeback in the North?

I feel so dirty now. I'm going to make a thread about sex or beer just to even this out...

I always considered myself one of those.

Fiscally conservative, limit the government, but practice good management, use the bureaucracy wisely.

Stay open to social developments.

Keep a wary eye on the military.

It still sounds good to me; I hate all this "southern strategy" crap.

The party used to be for small business too. Guess who cut funding for the SBA? Dubya.

Posted: **Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:43 am**

The Lone Alliance wrote:Well according to some "Tea party" types and the large "Conservative" pundits all Rockefeller Republicans are RINOs who should be kicked out. So really the question is, when are the Rockefeller Republicans going to wise up and quit siding with a group that wants to exterminate their ideas?

What are the alternatives?

Tax and spend while you kill the babies?

Yes that is way over the line, but any Dem alliance would feel like that.

I actually like Obama; he is such a moderate that his own party is dumping craploads of criticism on him.

Posted: **Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:45 am**

The Lone Alliance wrote:Well according to some "Tea party" types and the large "Conservative" pundits all Rockefeller Republicans are RINOs who should be kicked out. So really the question is, when are the Rockefeller Republicans going to wise up and quit siding with a group that wants to exterminate their ideas?

What and miss the opportunity to see Charlton Heston's rotting corpse come out of its grave with rifle in hand screaming how the Rockefeller Republican who got gunned down should have been loaded for bear to fight off a Invasion? Never I demand we let this happen to see Zombie Heston rise from the grave to defend the slaughtering of innocents.

Posted: **Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:09 pm**

Pope Joan wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:Well according to some "Tea party" types and the large "Conservative" pundits all Rockefeller Republicans are RINOs who should be kicked out. So really the question is, when are the Rockefeller Republicans going to wise up and quit siding with a group that wants to exterminate their ideas?

Pope Joan wrote:What are the alternatives?

Tax and spend while you kill the babies?

This has nothing to do with the topic. But if you are pathetic enough to play the "Baby Killer" card then you better accept the consequences.

As for your made up policy first I'll counter with the policy of the past 8 years.
Borrow massive amounts of money then sending to corporate cronies while killing portions of the younger generation in war.
Yeah that's a better policy.

Pope Joan wrote:Yes that is way over the line, but any Dem alliance would feel like that.

Really can you tell me where in the Dem Alliance rules is "Must Love baby killing"?
You do know the "Right" will never Ban Abortion, but they love to sucker people like you into believing that they "Care".

Yet they hate funding children's programs, they only care about "Children" up until they pop out, then the only time they care is if they want to censor something to 'protect them'.

Pope Joan wrote:I actually like Obama; he is such a moderate that his own party is dumping craploads of criticism on him.

I'm fine with him also.

But I'm not fine with people who try and dodge the subject by playing the "Baby killer" card.
Admit that both parties must "Love killing babies" in your eyes and shut up about it.

Posted: **Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:27 pm**

Well, a Rockefeller Republican would probably be doing things that are illegal today...

So maybe for a bit before they're thrown in jail.

Posted: **Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:32 pm**

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:Well according to some "Tea party" types and the large "Conservative" pundits all Rockefeller Republicans are RINOs who should be kicked out. So really the question is, when are the Rockefeller Republicans going to wise up and quit siding with a group that wants to exterminate their ideas?

Pope Joan wrote:What are the alternatives?

Tax and spend while you kill the babies?

This has nothing to do with the topic. But if you are pathetic enough to play the "Baby Killer" card then you better accept the consequences.

wow... way to go form zero to pissed off in one post. It has everything to do with what you're suggesting because the alternatives are voting for a party that generally supports abortion vs. one that only sort of kinda does (and don't give me vote for a third party BS, because we all know its a bipartisan system).

As for your made up policy first I'll counter with the policy of the past 8 years.
Borrow massive amounts of money then sending to corporate cronies while killing portions of the younger generation in war.
Yeah that's a better policy.

I think most northern republicans were pretty pissed at what Bush was doing...

Pope Joan wrote:Yes that is way over the line, but any Dem alliance would feel like that.
Really can you tell me where in the Dem Alliance rules is "Must Love baby killing"?

Thats the perception, and most of the candidates openly support abortion- so there you go.

You do know the "Right" will never Ban Abortion, but they love to sucker people like you into believing that they "Care".

Probably not, but people are easily fooled- and who is to say it could never happen.

Yet they hate funding children's programs, they only care about "Children" up until they pop out, then the only time they care is if they want to censor something to 'protect them'.

Yeah, theres a large authoritative portion of the party- being based in the south by and large- that doesn't make local candidates the same way.

Pope Joan wrote:I actually like Obama; he is such a moderate that his own party is dumping craploads of criticism on him.
I'm fine with him also.

But I'm not fine with people who try and dodge the subject by playing the "Baby killer" card.
Admit that both parties must "Love killing babies" in your eyes and shut up about it.

How was that in anyway dodging the subject? Its legitimate to say that the republican party is more anti-abortion than the dems.

Posted: **Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:39 pm**

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:Well according to some "Tea party" types and the large "Conservative" pundits all Rockefeller Republicans are RINOs who should be kicked out. So really the question is, when are the Rockefeller Republicans going to wise up and quit siding with a group that wants to exterminate their ideas?

Pope Joan wrote:What are the alternatives?

Tax and spend while you kill the babies?

This has nothing to do with the topic. But if you are pathetic enough to play the "Baby Killer" card then you better accept the consequences.

As for your made up policy first I'll counter with the policy of the past 8 years.
Borrow massive amounts of money then sending to corporate cronies while killing portions of the younger generation in war.
Yeah that's a better policy.

Not a Rockefeller Republican policy or position. Read up on it.

Pope Joan wrote:Yes that is way over the line, but any Dem alliance would feel like that.
Really can you tell me where in the Dem Alliance rules is "Must Love baby killing"?

Can you tell me the Dems dare ignore NARLA? Have you heard the flak he is taking for not supporting their position more actively?

You do know the "Right" will never Ban Abortion, but they love to sucker people like you into believing that they "Care".

Yet they hate funding children's programs, they only care about "Children" up until they pop out, then the only time they care is if they want to censor something to 'protect them'.

Pope Joan wrote:I actually like Obama; he is such a moderate that his own party is dumping craploads of criticism on him.
I'm fine with him also.

But I'm not fine with people who try and dodge the subject by playing the "Baby killer" card.
Admit that both parties must "Love killing babies" in your eyes and shut up about it.

No, you shut up. I didn't want to get into a flame war. I made it clear that I was overstating deliberately, that this was a depiction of a gut reaction, not a rational statement of policy. But you ignored that disclaimer.

Posted: **Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:12 pm**

Neo Kervoskia wrote:I don't usually make political topics, mostly because I don't care, but this one got me thinking. That's a lie -- I'm just curious:

Do you think the moderate/Rockefeller Republicans will ever make a comeback in the North?

I feel so dirty now. I'm going to make a thread about sex or beer just to even this out...

Some folks, myself included, do not necessarily believe that "Rockefeller Republican" equals "moderate Republican".
Liberal Republicans may one day rise again as a power, but I don't see it in the near future. Right now, LRs are positioned to get concessions on legislation from the Democratic Party.

Posted: **Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:17 pm**

Ever is a long time. Run the clock long enough, and I'm sure its possible for Rockefeller Republicans to resurge. After all, history is unpredictable; no one would have believed you 50 years ago if you told them the South would become a Republican stronghold.

Posted: **Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:47 pm**

Pope Joan wrote:Not a Rockefeller Republican policy or position. Read up on it.

"Baby killing" is not a Democratic Policy but you had some reason to put it in.

Pope Joan wrote:Can you tell me the Dems dare ignore NARLA? Have you heard the flak he is taking for not supporting their position more actively?

The group who's blog has a rant about the "Darwinist agenda" on the front page?

Pope Joan wrote:No, you shut up. I didn't want to get into a flame war. I made it clear that I was overstating deliberately, that this was a depiction of a gut reaction, not a rational statement of policy. But you ignored that disclaimer.

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So your gut reaction was to turn around and throw some sort of irrational belief on the opposition?

Posted: **Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:30 pm**

Neo Kervoskia wrote:I don't usually make political topics, mostly because I don't care, but this one got me thinking. That's a lie -- I'm just curious:

Do you think the moderate/Rockefeller Republicans will ever make a comeback in the North?

I feel so dirty now. I'm going to make a thread about sex or beer just to even this out...

No.

They have nothing to offer voters.