Australia General Discussion Thread

[Keyboard Warriors]

The only reason they'd be doing it is for ratings. I don't really know why anyone wants to know so much about it to the tiniest detail now. It's over; they're gone and there are more pressing concerns for air-time. Then again, it is commercial television.

TBH, it's more of the usual fellatio that the corporate media give the Coalition. Only when you've actually done some critical-thinking training do you realize how easy Tories have it in front of reporters...like any other well-trained poodles, they yap at your enemies, roll over and play dead all on command.

http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/ ... 5_2005.mp3

Some may be interested in that radio show talking about bias in the Australian media.

[Beta Test]

The only reason they'd be doing it is for ratings. I don't really know why anyone wants to know so much about it to the tiniest detail now. It's over; they're gone and there are more pressing concerns for air-time. Then again, it is commercial television.

TBH, it's more of the usual fellatio that the corporate media give the Coalition. Only when you've actually done some critical-thinking training do you realize how easy Tories have it in front of reporters...like any other well-trained poodles, they yap at your enemies, roll over and play dead all on command.

I don't find myself agreeing with this completely. There are plenty of media outlets that are against the Coalition and there are others still that are more populist and anti-government in general than anything.

Sure you've got the Murdoch media, which has always been conservative and will probably never change in that regard, but to say that Channel 7 is doing this to favour the Coalition is ridiculous. It's obviously about ratings, everyone loves a story about terrorism survivors. This was a long planned interview, with nothing to do with the Liberal Party's mess.

[New Chalcedon]

TBH, it's more of the usual fellatio that the corporate media give the Coalition. Only when you've actually done some critical-thinking training do you realize how easy Tories have it in front of reporters...like any other well-trained poodles, they yap at your enemies, roll over and play dead all on command.

I don't find myself agreeing with this completely. There are plenty of media outlets that are against the Coalition

Such as? Please name an example - even Fairfax is quite muted in its criticism of the Coalition, and endorses them for election far more often than not, even when the Coalition government in question is engaging in ethically-questionable deals!

and there are others still that are more populist and anti-government in general than anything.

And I count populist anti-governmentalism as right-wing in nature. "Government can't do anything right, so elect the people who'll eff it all up!"

Sure you've got the Murdoch media, which has always been conservative and will probably never change in that regard, but to say that Channel 7 is doing this to favour the Coalition is ridiculous.

Is it? Noted.

It's obviously about ratings, everyone loves a story about terrorism survivors.

True, but the ratings are in #libspill right now.

This was a long planned interview, with nothing to do with the Liberal Party's mess.

And given that it probably wasn't done live, it could have been broadcast later, after #libspill was resolved. If it was done live, it could still have been rescheduled - as networks do frequently, to ensure they're with the story.

[Beta Test]

You know, I'd like to see the ratings for the interview compared to the coverage of the Liberal spill. I wouldn't be surprised if the interview actually won out. A lot of people seem to be truly sick of the leadership chaos.

[New Chalcedon]

You know, I'd like to see the ratings for the interview compared to the coverage of the Liberal spill. I wouldn't be surprised if the interview actually won out. A lot of people seem to be truly sick of the leadership chaos.

I will admit that's a possibility. In which case - yes, it's a smart commercial move to be the channel that stands out.

[Mostrov]

Abbott's moved the party room meeting to Monday. Turnbull no longer confirming that he will vote against spill motion.

Nothing will happen, this whole thing is being trumpeted up by the media; there are literally only two backbenchers who are supporting a change of leadership. Yet according the media this is 'significant numbers'.

If they get rid of Abbott they realize they will be tarnished with the same brush as the last government. Secondly Turnbull is really disliked by the party and if he gets into power he will have no choice but to continue the same policies, save for vanities such as republicanism.
Look at the recent backpeddling regarding emissions trading schemes etc.

The Liberals aren't desperate enough to do so, given there isn't to be an election for a while.

Such as? Please name an example - even Fairfax is quite muted in its criticism of the Coalition, and endorses them for election far more often than not, even when the Coalition government in question is engaging in ethically-questionable deals!

ABC, Fairfax too.

Yes, Fairfax, for example, endorsed the Liberals in the last Victorian election - but this was preceded by months of rather opinionated content. I was actually quite surprised that they did, given the editorials, articles that they had been running prior to it.

As for the ABC, I have personal knowledge that many of the senior staff and journalists almost all lean politically to the left, and this is reflected in their content.

[Reddogkeno101]

So... no spill. Abbott's still a dead PM walking.

[Respawn]

40% of the party has no faith in Tony. I wouldn't be surprised if there's another spill tomorrow.

[New Chalcedon]

Abbott's moved the party room meeting to Monday. Turnbull no longer confirming that he will vote against spill motion.

Nothing will happen, this whole thing is being trumpeted up by the media; there are literally only two backbenchers who are supporting a change of leadership. Yet according the media this is 'significant numbers'.

If they get rid of Abbott they realize they will be tarnished with the same brush as the last government. Secondly Turnbull is really disliked by the party and if he gets into power he will have no choice but to continue the same policies, save for vanities such as republicanism.
Look at the recent backpeddling regarding emissions trading schemes etc.

The Liberals aren't desperate enough to do so, given there isn't to be an election for a while.

There were three. SA, Victoria and Qld.

In all three, voters indicated they were punishing the State Liberals (or LNP, for Queensland) for the perceived sins of Canberra. NSW will be a partial repeat - Baird will be returned, but there'll be a strong swing against him, and I strongly doubt that Abbott can avoid the NSW election the way he did the Qld election - it's his home State, after all.

But whatever happens in NSW, the reality is this: There are three Labor Premiers where there would be three Liberal/LNP Premiers if the Federal Liberals were not so unpopular. And Colin Barnett (WA) can thank his lucky stars that he was re-elected before Abbott came in, and isn't up until after the next Federal election - because with them gone, he might have a chance.

Such as? Please name an example - even Fairfax is quite muted in its criticism of the Coalition, and endorses them for election far more often than not, even when the Coalition government in question is engaging in ethically-questionable deals!

ABC, Fairfax too.

Yes, Fairfax, for example, endorsed the Liberals in the last Victorian election - but this was preceded by months of rather opinionated content. I was actually quite surprised that they did, given the editorials, articles that they had been running prior to it.

As for the ABC, I have personal knowledge that many of the senior staff and journalists almost all lean politically to the left, and this is reflected in their content.

Oh, "personal knowledge" - well, we can't beat that, I guess! After all, it's not like the ABC failed to follow up Liberals' claims of "Budget crisis" and find them to be the bunkum they are! And the ABC was so, so vigilant about noting - once again, in response to Liberals' laughable claims of debt crises - that Australia's debt-to-GDP figure is historically low (11.6% of GDP net debt), and it's not like they "fact-checked" to distort the reality (the graph tells it all - revenue really is historically low, but spending isn't historically high - yet, according to the ABC, the claim's "arguable"!) when someone claimed that Australia's problem is low revenue, not high-spending...

...Oh, wait. The ABC actually did selectively report on (and distort) those issues to make the Liberals look good, given that reality is utterly opposed to the Liberals' claims!

Perhaps they're not biased to the Left; perhaps you're biased to the Right?

[New Chalcedon]

So... no spill. Abbott's still a dead PM walking.

Bzzzt - clear!

"Rupert, he's dead...bury the poor bugger and leave him be."

40% of the party has no faith in Tony. I wouldn't be surprised if there's another spill tomorrow.

Not tomorrow, no.

I'll be blunt: Abbott has bought (by twisting every arm in sight and publicly embarrassing himself) six months at most. If the polls then look like they do today...

[Reddogkeno101]

So... no spill. Abbott's still a dead PM walking.

Bzzzt - clear!

"Rupert, he's dead...bury the poor bugger and leave him be."

40% of the party has no faith in Tony. I wouldn't be surprised if there's another spill tomorrow.

Not tomorrow, no.

I'll be blunt: Abbott has bought (by twisting every arm in sight and publicly embarrassing himself) six months at most. If the polls then look like they do today...

But Rupert's called for him to go?

[New Chalcedon]

Bzzzt - clear!

"Rupert, he's dead...bury the poor bugger and leave him be."



Not tomorrow, no.

I'll be blunt: Abbott has bought (by twisting every arm in sight and publicly embarrassing himself) six months at most. If the polls then look like they do today...

But Rupert's called for him to go?

True; however, with Tones staying on, Rupert'll come home and remember who he hates more: Labor.

[Geilinor]

40% of the party has no faith in Tony. I wouldn't be surprised if there's another spill tomorrow.

I'd say Abbott has 6 months at the most.

[Mostrov]

Oh, "personal knowledge" - well, we can't beat that, I guess! After all, it's not like the ABC failed to follow up Liberals' claims of "Budget crisis" and find them to be the bunkum they are! And the ABC was so, so vigilant about noting - once again, in response to Liberals' laughable claims of debt crises - that Australia's debt-to-GDP figure is historically low (11.6% of GDP net debt), and it's not like they "fact-checked" to distort the reality (the graph tells it all - revenue really is historically low, but spending isn't historically high - yet, according to the ABC, the claim's "arguable"!) when someone claimed that Australia's problem is low revenue, not high-spending...

...Oh, wait. The ABC actually did selectively report on (and distort) those issues to make the Liberals look good, given that reality is utterly opposed to the Liberals' claims!

Perhaps they're not biased to the Left; perhaps you're biased to the Right?

Because as I understand this isn't something that they are interested in; aside from a general opposition to cuts in spending in education, social security etc. Its more interest in human rights such as asylum seekers and the like that these people are interested in.

I don't nessecarily agree with the statement on economics - and it is an area I am not particularly knowledgeable on, as the reasons why it is being called a 'debt crisis'; having read statements to either effect it seems rooted not in the level of debt but in structural issues, inflation and balance of trade. One thing I have seen mentioned is the level of foreign ownership of said debt.
Whilst of course the notion that labour was somehow fiscally irresponsible can be seen as pure politics, but that there might be looming economic problems I can see either way.



Funnily enough I actually know the head of the ABC fact-check (amongst others), and yes they could be accused of bias to the left. Of course the fact that there has been only one debatable distortion, among the numerous others that have been thoroughly discussed
Its actually surprising how incestuous the whole media, public service and politics are.

[The Conez Imperium]

40% of the party has no faith in Tony. I wouldn't be surprised if there's another spill tomorrow.

I'd say Abbott has 6 months at the most.

I bet a year. However the sooner he is out of office the better.

[The Eastern Antarctic State]

So we are in Eurovision...

[Beta Test]

So we are in Eurovision...

Dumb dumb dumb decision.

[Reddogkeno101]

So we are in Eurovision...

It'd be kinda funny if we won, but then again there's no such thing as new Australian talent in the music arena these days (to my liking at least).

[The Eastern Antarctic State]

So we are in Eurovision...

It'd be kinda funny if we won, but then again there's no such thing as new Australian talent in the music arena these days (to my liking at least).

Yeah, we should just send Powderfinger over there.

[The Risen Jaguar Warriors]

It'd be kinda funny if we won, but then again there's no such thing as new Australian talent in the music arena these days (to my liking at least).

Yeah, we should just send Powderfinger over there.

How about S.I.A?

She's actually pretty good and indie, but nobody gave a flying fuck about her until the last year or two---on MTV China...

[Keyboard Warriors]

I'm by no means an expert on pop music, but based on listening to commercial radio (they play it at work so don't judge, J's fans), I'd say the most likely candidates would be Jess Mauboy, Sia, Elen Levon and Guy Sebastian. Can't imagine somebody like Chet Faker stepping up for it.

[Reddogkeno101]

It'd be kinda funny if we won, but then again there's no such thing as new Australian talent in the music arena these days (to my liking at least).

Yeah, we should just send Powderfinger over there.

Yeah except they've split up; just send Bernard Fanning; he's the best of them(and the lead singer. Also note bias because he went to my high school near on 25-30 years ago)

[The Conez Imperium]

Oh look an extra $130 we will have to pay if Mandatory Data Retention Tax is passed and you use IInet as your ISP

http://blog.iinet.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Mandatory-Data-Retention-Infographic-v41.png

[Imperial isa]

Oh look an extra $130 we will have to pay if Mandatory Data Retention Tax is passed and you use IInet as your ISP

http://blog.iinet.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Mandatory-Data-Retention-Infographic-v41.png

Shit like my family has any more money to spare

[The Eastern Antarctic State]

Yeah, we should just send Powderfinger over there.

Yeah except they've split up; just send Bernard Fanning; he's the best of them(and the lead singer. Also note bias because he went to my high school near on 25-30 years ago)

I am aware they broke. Bernard fanning would be nice.