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What state are you from?

NSW
68
26%
QLD
61
23%
Vic
61
23%
SA
14
5%
WA
20
8%
Tassie
9
3%
NT (I know this is not a state but yell about it all you want)
14
5%
ACT
2
1%
JBT
2
1%
Other Australian Territories
10
4%
 
Total votes : 261

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Mostrov
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Postby Mostrov » Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:07 am

Geilinor wrote:I'm not Australian, but Abbott's been in for two years and doesn't seem to have actually done very much.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-08/maccallum-abbotts-anniversary/6757854
I notice the same thing from most conservative parties - all they do is cut a few taxes and regulations.

I told everyone that this was the situation that would develop, yet everyone was convinced that the Abbott government would spell the end of the nation.

What exactly Labour would actually do if they were elected that would justify it, I don't think any of the possible candidates would have a comparable foreign policy which is good. I suppose the left-wing of the labour party of would like to abolish Nauru (which basically starts the whole issue we had with boats in the first place and Europe is seeing what an opposite policy actually does) or legalise gay marriage (which is legislature that has no actual point, as unlike the United States LGBT people enjoy full legal equality, the only difference is wording). What else, expensive infrastructure projects that we can neither afford or would be wasteful (high-speed rail between the states)? Private school funding (political suicide)? Pensions (the same if not worse)?

I don't think either parties reforms are particularly palatable and unlike the previous government which tried to implement such reforms we are merely going along in business as usual.

At least we have this trade deal coming up which is better to be in than not.

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Hyfling
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Postby Hyfling » Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:08 am

The Eastern Antarctic State wrote:
Hyfling wrote:Hmm...

Maybe I'll finally be able to find a decent bloody kebab on this island.

Cool, though Kebabs are Turkish.

I do believe that we should be taking a bit more than 12,000 though

There's the shawarma kebab, which seems pretty similar to the Turkish doner or Greek gyro.
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The Eastern Antarctic State
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Postby The Eastern Antarctic State » Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:12 am

Hyfling wrote:
The Eastern Antarctic State wrote:Cool, though Kebabs are Turkish.

I do believe that we should be taking a bit more than 12,000 though

There's the shawarma kebab, which seems pretty similar to the Turkish doner or Greek gyro.

Ah, that does look nice. Foods from that area of the world are generally delicious.
This ensues
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Postby King Lorcan » Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:30 am

The Eastern Antarctic State wrote:
Hyfling wrote:Hmm...

Maybe I'll finally be able to find a decent bloody kebab on this island.

Cool, though Kebabs are Turkish.

I do believe that we should be taking a bit more than 12,000 though

I think we do need more, but let's not push it. Britain is only taking in 10-20,000 over 5 years; however ours is an immediate increase in intake, which is much better.
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Hyfling wrote:Hmm...

Maybe I'll finally be able to find a decent bloody kebab on this island.

12,000 refugees in this country wasting amounts of money my friends and family are unlikely to ever have?
eurgh.

I think it's a bit more important getting people out of warzones where they could die than making a few people richer.
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Neu Leonstein
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Postby Neu Leonstein » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:31 am

So we might have yet another Prime Minister tonight: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-14/m ... og/6774546

Mind you, Turnbull has views waaay closer to mine than Abbott does on almost everything, so I'm not complaining on this occasion!
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Postby King Lorcan » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:39 am

Let's get this party started ladies and gentlemen. Turnbull for PM!
Shorten's dogma really put the nail in the grave for any support or respect I had for him or the Labor party.
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Postby Neu Leonstein » Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:54 am

King Lorcan wrote:Let's get this party started ladies and gentlemen. Turnbull for PM!
Shorten's dogma really put the nail in the grave for any support or respect I had for him or the Labor party.

There seem to be a lot of pro-Abbott messages coming from various people. One can only hope that there are plenty of people who'll let their votes do the talking...
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Postby Sebtopiaris » Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:57 am

King Lorcan wrote:Let's get this party started ladies and gentlemen. Turnbull for PM!
Shorten's dogma really put the nail in the grave for any support or respect I had for him or the Labor party.

Honestly, none of them really give a shit about the people they're getting elected to govern.
Some of them are just more crazy than others at this point, but they're all career politicians.
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Emile Zola
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Postby Emile Zola » Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:10 am

So the knives are finally out. Can't say I care who the winner will be as Turnbull will have the same policy agenda as Abbott. Same shit, different bucket. Turnbull proved himself to be a toad for Murdoch and the corporate elites when he sabotaged the NBN. Both are smug bastards who need to be kicked out of office.

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Postby The Foxes Swamp » Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:49 am

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Hyfling
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Postby Hyfling » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:40 am

Although I don't really like either side of Australian politics right now, I'd much rather have Turnbull as prime minister than Abbott. I agree with him more.

It's weird to think that if Abbott is replaced as prime minister, the last Australian leader to have served a full term will be John Howard.

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Postby Xylocarp Republic » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:40 am

King Lorcan wrote:Let's get this party started ladies and gentlemen. Turnbull for PM!
Shorten's dogma really put the nail in the grave for any support or respect I had for him or the Labor party.


This needs to happen now. I really do hope Turnbull comes out alive and victorious.

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Czardom Republic
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Postby Czardom Republic » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:51 am

Well... Those were certainly some interesting results.

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Beta Test
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Postby Beta Test » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:52 am

RIP Tone

Malcolm is our ruler now.
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Postby Neu Leonstein » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:59 am

:)
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Xylocarp Republic
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Postby Xylocarp Republic » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:00 am

By ten votes. A pretty close margin.

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Imperial Valaran
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Postby Imperial Valaran » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:01 am

Well well well

Abbott's grip on power collapsed much faster than I expected (I thought it would take the general election for that to happen).
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Postby King Lorcan » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:01 am

Beta Test wrote:RIP Tone

Malcolm is our ruler now.

Our benevolent leader.
Sebtopiaris wrote:
King Lorcan wrote:Let's get this party started ladies and gentlemen. Turnbull for PM!
Shorten's dogma really put the nail in the grave for any support or respect I had for him or the Labor party.

Honestly, none of them really give a shit about the people they're getting elected to govern.
Some of them are just more crazy than others at this point, but they're all career politicians.

There's nothing wrong with them being career politicians, because some do care. Have you ever been in a political situation or met any politicians? I have, and they are nice people and most of them are in it for the people. I have met ones that are not in it for the people, but there are in the minority.
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Postby Mollary » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:02 am

Gawd, so have Labour lost then? Isn't Turbull quite popular?
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Postby King Lorcan » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:03 am

Mollary wrote:Gawd, so have Labour lost then?

It's not an election; it's a leadership ballot of one of the parties.
But essentially Labor have lost the next election already
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Postby Roderia » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:04 am

Bye bye Tony.
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Postby Mollary » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:08 am

King Lorcan wrote:
Mollary wrote:Gawd, so have Labour lost then?

It's not an election; it's a leadership ballot of one of the parties.
But essentially Labor have lost the next election already

Sorry, that wasn't very clear. I was asking if Labour have, in effect, now lost the next election due to the election of a more popular liberal.
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Postby King Lorcan » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:10 am

Mollary wrote:
King Lorcan wrote:It's not an election; it's a leadership ballot of one of the parties.
But essentially Labor have lost the next election already

Sorry, that wasn't very clear. I was asking if Labour have, in effect, now lost the next election due to the election of a more popular liberal.

Well yeah. I think so at least. Nothing is set in stone in Australian politics.
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Postby Imperial Valaran » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:20 am

Mollary wrote:
King Lorcan wrote:It's not an election; it's a leadership ballot of one of the parties.
But essentially Labor have lost the next election already

Sorry, that wasn't very clear. I was asking if Labour have, in effect, now lost the next election due to the election of a more popular liberal.



Its nearly impossible to call with any certainty; popularity is fickle at the best of times, and there is so much that can happen in between then and now.

To take one example, if Australia's economy gets worse (given its shuddering growth rate and the end of the mining boom, plus the state of its main export markets), then it won't look so good for Turnbull.
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Postby Xylocarp Republic » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:24 am

Mollary wrote:
King Lorcan wrote:It's not an election; it's a leadership ballot of one of the parties.
But essentially Labor have lost the next election already

Sorry, that wasn't very clear. I was asking if Labour have, in effect, now lost the next election due to the election of a more popular liberal.


Well, Gillard toppled Rudd after those bad polling results, only to get government by just a whisker in the following election (2010 election), so it could happen again.

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