Gay Marriage Legal in North Carolina!

[Olerand]

You don't agree with him? That's a lot of evidence there, you have to admit.

I do believe that the Muslims consider christ to be a minor prophet, the ones i spoke to in Dearborn echoed this.

So, same god.

Not minor, quite major actually.

[United States Kingdom]

Never mind, I take back what I said.

I agree that Islam is a very violent religion. You ought to see my post on Islam here. You may all learn something from it about Islam's violent history.

I already did. I respect Islam as a religion. Nothing wrong with it. Even Christians have done shitty things.

[The balkens]

I do believe that the Muslims consider christ to be a minor prophet, the ones i spoke to in Dearborn echoed this.

So, same god.

Not minor, quite major actually.

knew it, thank you, cher ami!

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

I agree that Islam is a very violent religion. You ought to see my post on Islam here. You may all learn something from it about Islam's violent history.

Like Christianity was any different when it entered puberty.

You ought to see my post on the Crusades, which you can read below:

I agree with you, the Muslim's shouldn't have killed thousands of people, tried to conquer the world, etc, etc. But you're using that as a justification for the Christians massacring them? So much for loving your enemy.

That's a valid question. Let me ask you though, if a god created the universe, what created the god?

Loving your neighbor is extremely important, one of the main tenets of our faith in Christ. The problem is that the entire land of the Jewish people was taken from them. The Muslims didn't kill thousands, they killed much more than that, hundreds of thousands, I would argue even a million, or millions. It wasn't for a good 500 years before they finally decided to settle down. By that time, it was too late. Loving your neighbor is not a good excuse to sit idle while the land promised to the Jewish people as an inheritance was taken from them completely, while Jews were massacred. Furthermore, I should say that things like "loving your neighbor" apply to individuals, and not to governments and nations. They can be applied to governments and nations to an extent, but over-appeasement of nations who practice evil will only lead to the inevitable death of your own people. The Byzantines and the popes who conducted the various Crusades were just protecting their own. It was also a defensive military campaign to stop the Muslims from taking over all of the known world.

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As we further approach the culmination of the history of the universe, and God makes Himself more and more known, people will begin to more greatly understand His existence, and will also have to make the choice whether or not to accept His son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

[Draica]

Never mind, I take back what I said.

I agree that Islam is a very violent religion. You ought to see my post on Islam here. You may all learn something from it about Islam's violent history.

Exactly. While the crusades may have been done by corrupt people who promised things that could not be fulfilled(crusaders going overseas and killing the Muslims and being able to sin how much they like and go to heaven), they were meant as a re-take approach. The moors were everywhere and attacked us first, we pushed back.

Thank God for that. The only mistake is that we could never hold the Holy Land and that the crusader states were taken out. Had we been able to keep those two things I believe the creation of Israel(officially) would've happened sometime around that time period.

[Othelos]

are you going to respond to my posts?

What posts?

there's more, but I don't feel like searching that far back.

Let me rephrase.

Judges go outside of their bounds and striking down laws that:

1. The Supreme Court has refused to make a decision on,

2. Are more ideologically/emotionally driven instead of driven by their duties to uphold Constitutional law.

I'm pretty sure that discrimination is unconstitutional.

Here's the thing to love about some people on NS:

They watch your avatar so much and if you log off for a split second it's a big old party.

I'm still here.

maybe you should reply to my post, then.

Wrong. If a state protects heterosexual marriage while simultaneously denying same sex couples from marrying, it is discrimination, and therefore, gay people don't have equal protection.

I'l say it again, the Supreme Court has abandoned it's constitutional duty and are putting it in the hands of idealogues that do not care about the people's wishes, only their own.

There is something called judicial restraint and when judges in Utah, Nevada, NC and other states and banging the gravel in the blink of an eye that judicial restraint is broken. They are jumping the gun. There should be a long, open-ended debate about this.

excuse me, but the majority of the US supports same sex marriage. As much as you wish that the court was out of touch with popular opinion, they aren't. And as more states legalize same-sex marriage, it's going to be more and more difficult for them to legitimately outlaw same-sex marriage.

I love how many LGBT activists call Christians who don't agree with them fundamentals and radicals, while Christians who are willing to betray their moral compass and betray the values outlined by the Bible are allies to them.

It's simply interesting.

what's interesting is why Christians care about the secular institution of civil marriage so much, and why they care so much about random people's personal lives to the degree that they do.

I thought that Christians weren't supposed to judge? if it isn't hurting you or others, what the fuck is the problem?

There is a homosexual lifestyle.

so tell me, if being gay is a choice, then shouldn't there be a choice to be straight? when did you choose to be straight?

[The New Sea Territory]

Never mind, I take back what I said.

I agree that Islam is a very violent religion. You ought to see my post on Islam here. You may all learn something from it about Islam's violent history.

All organized religion is violent. So...yeah.

[The balkens]

I agree that Islam is a very violent religion. You ought to see my post on Islam here. You may all learn something from it about Islam's violent history.

Exactly. While the crusades may have been done by corrupt people who promised things that could not be fulfilled(crusaders going overseas and killing the Muslims and being able to sin how much they like and go to heaven), they were meant as a re-take approach. The moors were everywhere and attacked us first, we pushed back.

Thank God for that. The only mistake is that we could never hold the Holy Land and that the crusader states were taken out. Had we been able to keep those two things I believe the creation of Israel(officially) would've happened sometime around that time period.

and it wouldve sparked many more wars.

[United States Kingdom]

I agree that Islam is a very violent religion. You ought to see my post on Islam here. You may all learn something from it about Islam's violent history.

Exactly. While the crusades may have been done by corrupt people who promised things that could not be fulfilled(crusaders going overseas and killing the Muslims and being able to sin how much they like and go to heaven), they were meant as a re-take approach. The moors were everywhere and attacked us first, we pushed back.

Thank God for that. The only mistake is that we could never hold the Holy Land and that the crusader states were taken out. Had we been able to keep those two things I believe the creation of Israel(officially) would've happened sometime around that time period.Y

Yet the Christian nations such as the UK and France colonized multiple parts of the world including where I come from.

[Atlanticatia]

Welcome to the right side of history North Carolina! I cannot be more proud of my state right now, I doubt we're the first Southern state to allow gay marriage, but it is still a wonderful time to be a Carolinian!

So what do you guys think?

Good for North Carolina.

although, it was applied by a federal judge, not because of North Carolina law. unfortunately most southern states aren't at the point where they'd allow same-sex marriage marriage voluntarily.

[The New Sea Territory]

Thank God for that. The only mistake is that we could never hold the Holy Land and that the crusader states were taken out. Had we been able to keep those two things I believe the creation of Israel(officially) would've happened sometime around that time period.

So you're admitting you support violent wars for money and power?

[Othelos]

Welcome to the right side of history North Carolina! I cannot be more proud of my state right now, I doubt we're the first Southern state to allow gay marriage, but it is still a wonderful time to be a Carolinian!

So what do you guys think?

Good for North Carolina.

(although, it was applied by a federal judge, not because of North Carolina law. unfortunately most southern states aren't at the point where they'd allow same-sex marriage marriage voluntarily.)

at least they won't start a war over being dragged into the next century, this time.

[Avenio]

I agree that Islam is a very violent religion. You ought to see my post on Islam here. You may all learn something from it about Islam's violent history.

Like Christianity was any different when it entered puberty.

Though to be fair, Christians tended to approach the issue of inter-denominational persecution with a great deal more relish than they did for pagans. They especially took pleasure in burning each other alive for believing that Christ was of similar substance to God rather than of like substance, or vice versa.

[Othelos]

yet he keeps posting.

Strange aint it, mein bruder?

ja, ganz komisch

[Atlanticatia]

I wish the Supreme Court would just issue a ruling to legalize it immediately in all states. i guess federal judges striking down bans state-by-state will work, but i hope it's not too long before we can truly say we have marriage equality.

[The balkens]

Like Christianity was any different when it entered puberty.

Though to be fair, Christians tended to approach the issue of inter-denominational persecution with a great deal more relish than they did for pagans. They especially took pleasure in burning each other alive for believing that Christ was of similar substance to God rather than of like substance, or vice versa.

the great schism or what have you?

[Othelos]

:twisted: 666th post!

actually that's the 668th post :/

[Olerand]

Exactly. While the crusades may have been done by corrupt people who promised things that could not be fulfilled(crusaders going overseas and killing the Muslims and being able to sin how much they like and go to heaven), they were meant as a re-take approach. The moors were everywhere and attacked us first, we pushed back.

Thank God for that. The only mistake is that we could never hold the Holy Land and that the crusader states were taken out. Had we been able to keep those two things I believe the creation of Israel(officially) would've happened sometime around that time period.Y

Yet the Christian nations such as the UK and France colonized multiple parts of the world including where I come from.

And where is that? (He asks, risking the chance that is somewhere that France has slaughtered people)

Also, I love the new spin on the Crusades, where it's an attempt by the Christians to protect themselves by pre-emptively fighting a war that is not near their lands, and that they actually did it all for the Jews! Oh, won't someone think of the oppressed Jews!

I must say, this is a first. I have genuinely never heard this.

May I recommend that you intellectuals send your theory to the Christian Democratic Party here in France? I'm sure cousin-lover Christine Boutin would appreciate the new fresh air of demagoguery.

[Draica]

Thank God for that. The only mistake is that we could never hold the Holy Land and that the crusader states were taken out. Had we been able to keep those two things I believe the creation of Israel(officially) would've happened sometime around that time period.

So you're admitting you support violent wars for money and power?

I clearly stated in the parts that you did NOT quote(this is why you study history, children) that the motivation behind the crusades was caused by corrupties and the lies were dishonorable. Having said that, the moors were the ones going into Christian lands, attacking the Eastren Orthodox Byzantine empire and executing mass genocides against Christians. I support the fact that our crusader brothers went over there with the motive to reclaim lands taken from innocent Christians.

That's what I support.

[Freiheit Reich]

All marriage should be legal and ignored by the govt. The govt. needs to get out of the marriage business. Treat it as a ceremony. Of course this would put a lot of lawyers out of business so this will never happen. The govt. wants control of the people and this is another way they can do it.

It is funny but legalizing gay marriage is actually expanding govt. control. There will be more gay divorces in the future and this means property fights, thousands of dollars in legal fees, perhaps even custody battles for the cats and chihuahuas. Govt. marriage is not as great as people think.

The question is who will the judge side with in the divorce? Usually he sides with the female but if there are 2 females or 2 men will he pick the most feminine one to side with (I heard there is always a 'man' and a 'woman' in the gay relationships)?

holy crap you've misinterpreted the goals of the pro-LGBT rights movement.

They want equality but in this case, equality is not necessarily good. Remember, 50% of marriages fail and I doubt gays will have a much better record. Without marriage there is no divorce and many divorces themselves are quite ugly.

[Avenio]

Though to be fair, Christians tended to approach the issue of inter-denominational persecution with a great deal more relish than they did for pagans. They especially took pleasure in burning each other alive for believing that Christ was of similar substance to God rather than of like substance, or vice versa.

the great schism or what have you?

The Arian controversy beginning around the First Council of Nicaea and ending around the 8th century or so.

[The balkens]

Strange aint it, mein bruder?

ja, ganz komisch

funny indeed. going to write a book about.

[Othelos]

holy crap you've misinterpreted the goals of the pro-LGBT rights movement.

They want equality but in this case, equality is not necessarily good. Remember, 50% of marriages fail and I doubt gays will have a much better record. Without marriage there is no divorce and many divorces themselves are quite ugly.

and how does that matter at all? If gay people want to get married, and then get divorced, so what? It's personal choice.

[The balkens]

the great schism or what have you?

The Arian controversy beginning around the First Council of Nicaea in the 8th century or so.

Mhm...
thanks.

[Freiheit Reich]

All marriage should be legal and ignored by the govt. The govt. needs to get out of the marriage business. Treat it as a ceremony. Of course this would put a lot of lawyers out of business so this will never happen. The govt. wants control of the people and this is another way they can do it.

Only if you've got a cheaper, more efficient alternative that provides the same guarantees of the necessary rights and privileges associated with marriage.

Power of attorney and a will can be made for a reasonable cost and have a lower risk than marriage. Yes, there may be rights but if your marriage fails (which will happen 50% of the time in the USA) you are screwed. It is a high risk action and the risks might not be worth the rewards.