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Postby Olerand » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:23 pm

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Draica wrote:
What, are you really going to sit here and tell me that Buddists and shintos are monotheistic religions!? Shinto is a polytheistic religion started by some nutter in Japan, and Buddhists aren't even anywhere near Christians!

As for Muslims, same CONCEPT(One God,) different God. The concept of having one God is the same but Allah is not the God I serve.


Let me educate you on islam



Women are inferior to men (Sura 4:34)

Men can, and even should, ‘beat’ their wives in some circumstances (Sura 4:34).

Belief in the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ is false (Sura 4:157-159).

Belief in the divinity of Christ is blasphemy (Sura 5:72).

Belief in Jesus Christ as ‘the Son of God’ is grave error (Sura 19:35; 10:68).

Muslims are commanded to ‘fight against’ Christians and all who disagree with them. Sura 9:29 says:

Fight those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor follow the Religion of Truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgement of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
-Sura 9:29

God wills moral as well as physical evil. In fact, Sura 37:94 says, ‘He [Allah] created you as well as what you do,’ whether good or evil.

‘God does not love the unbelievers’ (Sura 3:32).


Don't you EVER say my God is the same God as allah, and don't you EVER attempt to compare them. It is incredibly disrespectful and REEKS of ignorance.

Now I'm really going off shift, have a good evening everyone.


Youre just hilarious.

Literally this.
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Postby Grenartia » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:24 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
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Have you ever been in contact with the word "secular" before?


I do not think the United States is a secular nation. The United States is a nondenominational Christian republic.


The word "religion" in the 1st Amendment does not refer solely to Christian sects, and the Treaty of Tripoli only confirms this is a secular nation (after all, the founding fathers wouldn't have lied about this being a Christian nation if it were truly a Christian nation, since, you know, lying is a sin).
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:24 pm

All marriage should be legal and ignored by the govt. The govt. needs to get out of the marriage business. Treat it as a ceremony. Of course this would put a lot of lawyers out of business so this will never happen. The govt. wants control of the people and this is another way they can do it.

It is funny but legalizing gay marriage is actually expanding govt. control. There will be more gay divorces in the future and this means property fights, thousands of dollars in legal fees, perhaps even custody battles for the cats and chihuahuas. Govt. marriage is not as great as people think.

The question is who will the judge side with in the divorce? Usually he sides with the female but if there are 2 females or 2 men will he pick the most feminine one to side with (I heard there is always a 'man' and a 'woman' in the gay relationships)?
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Postby Archeuland and Baughistan » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:25 pm

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Draica wrote:
What, are you really going to sit here and tell me that Buddists and shintos are monotheistic religions!? Shinto is a polytheistic religion started by some nutter in Japan, and Buddhists aren't even anywhere near Christians!

As for Muslims, same CONCEPT(One God,) different God. The concept of having one God is the same but Allah is not the God I serve.


Let me educate you on islam



Women are inferior to men (Sura 4:34)

Men can, and even should, ‘beat’ their wives in some circumstances (Sura 4:34).

Belief in the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ is false (Sura 4:157-159).

Belief in the divinity of Christ is blasphemy (Sura 5:72).

Belief in Jesus Christ as ‘the Son of God’ is grave error (Sura 19:35; 10:68).

Muslims are commanded to ‘fight against’ Christians and all who disagree with them. Sura 9:29 says:

Fight those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor follow the Religion of Truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgement of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
-Sura 9:29

God wills moral as well as physical evil. In fact, Sura 37:94 says, ‘He [Allah] created you as well as what you do,’ whether good or evil.

‘God does not love the unbelievers’ (Sura 3:32).


Don't you EVER say my God is the same God as allah, and don't you EVER attempt to compare them. It is incredibly disrespectful and REEKS of ignorance.

Now I'm really going off shift, have a good evening everyone.


Youre just hilarious.


You don't agree with him? That's a lot of evidence there, you have to admit.
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Postby Othelos » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:25 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:All marriage should be legal and ignored by the govt. The govt. needs to get out of the marriage business. Treat it as a ceremony. Of course this would put a lot of lawyers out of business so this will never happen. The govt. wants control of the people and this is another way they can do it.

It is funny but legalizing gay marriage is actually expanding govt. control. There will be more gay divorces in the future and this means property fights, thousands of dollars in legal fees, perhaps even custody battles for the cats and chihuahuas. Govt. marriage is not as great as people think.

The question is who will the judge side with in the divorce? Usually he sides with the female but if there are 2 females or 2 men will he pick the most feminine one to side with (I heard there is always a 'man' and a 'woman' in the gay relationships)?

holy crap you've misinterpreted the goals of the pro-LGBT rights movement.
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Postby Olerand » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:26 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Deian salazar wrote:Are you Jehovah's witness?You kinda sound like it....


No, and besides that, I disagree with much of JW theology.

Are you Mormon? This mix of American exceptionalism/Christian fundamentalism/America the chosen land/people feels like Mormonism to me.

Ugh, Mormonism. A cult that France should have outlawed when it started popping up over here in the seventies. But we didn't. And now Mitt Romney can claim to have evangelized in Paris in his youth.

What a grave mistake that history will surely judge us for.

EDIT: Another reason to curse VGE. Damn you Valéry Giscard d'Estaing!
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Postby United States Kingdom » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:26 pm

Draica wrote:
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Same god, different viewpoints. that's what i believe.

Unlike you, i was raised that God loves all of his children. regardless of who they are.


What, are you really going to sit here and tell me that Buddists and shintos are monotheistic religions!? Shinto is a polytheistic religion started by some nutter in Japan, and Buddhists aren't even anywhere near Christians!

As for Muslims, same CONCEPT(One God,) different God. The concept of having one God is the same but Allah is not the God I serve.


Let me educate you on islam



Women are inferior to men (Sura 4:34)

Men can, and even should, ‘beat’ their wives in some circumstances (Sura 4:34).

Belief in the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ is false (Sura 4:157-159).

Belief in the divinity of Christ is blasphemy (Sura 5:72).

Belief in Jesus Christ as ‘the Son of God’ is grave error (Sura 19:35; 10:68).

Muslims are commanded to ‘fight against’ Christians and all who disagree with them. Sura 9:29 says:

Fight those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor follow the Religion of Truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgement of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
-Sura 9:29

God wills moral as well as physical evil. In fact, Sura 37:94 says, ‘He [Allah] created you as well as what you do,’ whether good or evil.

‘God does not love the unbelievers’ (Sura 3:32).


Don't you EVER say my God is the same God as allah, and don't you EVER attempt to compare them. It is incredibly disrespectful and REEKS of ignorance.

Now I'm really going off shift, have a good evening everyone.


And this is why I hate Muslims that think the way you do and believe it is justified to do their fucked up stupid ass terrorism

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Postby The balkens » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:27 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
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Youre just hilarious.


You don't agree with him? That's a lot of evidence there, you have to admit.


I do believe that the Muslims consider christ to be a minor prophet, the ones i spoke to in Dearborn echoed this.

So, same god.

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Postby Grenartia » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:27 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:All marriage should be legal and ignored by the govt. The govt. needs to get out of the marriage business. Treat it as a ceremony. Of course this would put a lot of lawyers out of business so this will never happen. The govt. wants control of the people and this is another way they can do it.


Only if you've got a cheaper, more efficient alternative that provides the same guarantees of the necessary rights and privileges associated with marriage.
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Postby Jamjai » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:28 pm

Grenartia wrote:
The word "religion" in the 1st Amendment does not refer solely to Christian sects, and the Treaty of Tripoli only confirms this is a secular nation (after all, the founding fathers wouldn't have lied about this being a Christian nation if it were truly a Christian nation, since, you know, lying is a sin).


well, they were also in a extreme situation
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Postby Grenartia » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:28 pm

Jamjai wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
The word "religion" in the 1st Amendment does not refer solely to Christian sects, and the Treaty of Tripoli only confirms this is a secular nation (after all, the founding fathers wouldn't have lied about this being a Christian nation if it were truly a Christian nation, since, you know, lying is a sin).


well, they were also in a extreme situation


Still doesn't really justify it.
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Postby Draica » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:28 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Draica wrote:
What, are you really going to sit here and tell me that Buddists and shintos are monotheistic religions!? Shinto is a polytheistic religion started by some nutter in Japan, and Buddhists aren't even anywhere near Christians!

As for Muslims, same CONCEPT(One God,) different God. The concept of having one God is the same but Allah is not the God I serve.


Let me educate you on islam



Women are inferior to men (Sura 4:34)

Men can, and even should, ‘beat’ their wives in some circumstances (Sura 4:34).

Belief in the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ is false (Sura 4:157-159).

Belief in the divinity of Christ is blasphemy (Sura 5:72).

Belief in Jesus Christ as ‘the Son of God’ is grave error (Sura 19:35; 10:68).

Muslims are commanded to ‘fight against’ Christians and all who disagree with them. Sura 9:29 says:

Fight those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor follow the Religion of Truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgement of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
-Sura 9:29

God wills moral as well as physical evil. In fact, Sura 37:94 says, ‘He [Allah] created you as well as what you do,’ whether good or evil.

‘God does not love the unbelievers’ (Sura 3:32).


Don't you EVER say my God is the same God as allah, and don't you EVER attempt to compare them. It is incredibly disrespectful and REEKS of ignorance.

Now I'm really going off shift, have a good evening everyone.


And this is why I hate Muslims that think the way you do and believe it is justified to do their fucked up stupid ass terrorism


You need to get your eyes checked mister United States Kingdom. Everything I posted was intended to be against Islam, not supporting them.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:29 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:The question is who will the judge side with in the divorce? Usually he sides with the female but if there are 2 females or 2 men will he pick the most feminine one to side with (I heard there is always a 'man' and a 'woman' in the gay relationships)?

I don't know whether this is pitiable ignorance or disgusting homophobia and sexism. I'm leaning towards the latter.

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Postby Olivaero » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:29 pm

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Othelos wrote:No, it's just society opening up about the topic, due to openness about sex because of the sexual revolution.


That's what university professors call it. I call it the declining influence of Christianity compounded with the many judgments on America throughout the last several years. All sorts of wars, terrorist attacks, and whatnot. (No, I'm not saying God caused 9/11, but he did withdraw a sort of 'barrier of protection' around America, allowing those sorts of things to happen)

I think Obama's administratrion is a judgment on America as well.

Holy shit that's incredibly hilarious but in the same way it's not it's actually just really sad. Seriously you make me sad for america. Actual heartfelt sorrow. seeing someone like you post makes me feel the same way as if a friend told me he didn't believe he should go to chemotherapy and thought he should just fight cancer on it's own terms. I want my friend to live and believe he's smart in some respects (the respects that made him my friend) but my god can he be so fucking stupid and I fear that stupidity may kill him.
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Postby Othelos » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:29 pm

Draica wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:
And this is why I hate Muslims that think the way you do and believe it is justified to do their fucked up stupid ass terrorism


You need to get your eyes checked mister United States Kingdom. Everything I posted was intended to be against Islam, not supporting them.

are you going to respond to my posts?
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Postby United States Kingdom » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:29 pm

Draica wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:
And this is why I hate Muslims that think the way you do and believe it is justified to do their fucked up stupid ass terrorism


You need to get your eyes checked mister United States Kingdom. Everything I posted was intended to be against Islam, not supporting them.

Never mind, I take back what I said.

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Postby The balkens » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:30 pm

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Draica wrote:
You need to get your eyes checked mister United States Kingdom. Everything I posted was intended to be against Islam, not supporting them.

are you going to respond to my posts?


His shift is over, dont ya remember?

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Othelos wrote:are you going to respond to my posts?


His shift is over, dont ya remember?

yet he keeps posting.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:30 pm

Draica wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:
And this is why I hate Muslims that think the way you do and believe it is justified to do their fucked up stupid ass terrorism


You need to get your eyes checked mister United States Kingdom. Everything I posted was intended to be against Islam, not supporting them.

Hey look, you're still here after twice saying you were leaving. Once more and you'll match the number of times Peter denied Christ.

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Postby Draica » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:31 pm

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Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
You don't agree with him? That's a lot of evidence there, you have to admit.


I do believe that the Muslims consider christ to be a minor prophet, the ones i spoke to in Dearborn echoed this.

So, same god.


That statement is very ignorance and in the face of amounting evidence that debunks your claim you continue to stick by it.

Let's try once more, a major point for almost all mainstream Christian denominations(non-cults) is the Holy Trinity, as I said in my quotes the Muslims believe that is nonsense and believe the divinity of Jesus Christ is BLASPHEMY!

If you exclude such a main compotent of christology then there is absoloutely no way whatsoever that you can have both of them being the same God. It's not possible theologically.
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Postby Othelos » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:31 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Draica wrote:
You need to get your eyes checked mister United States Kingdom. Everything I posted was intended to be against Islam, not supporting them.

Hey look, you're still here after twice saying you were leaving. Once more and you'll match the number of times Peter denied Christ.

*gasps in horror*
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Postby Archeuland and Baughistan » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:31 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Draica wrote:
You need to get your eyes checked mister United States Kingdom. Everything I posted was intended to be against Islam, not supporting them.

Never mind, I take back what I said.


I agree that Islam is a very violent religion. You ought to see my post on Islam here. You may all learn something from it about Islam's violent history.
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Postby The balkens » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:31 pm

Othelos wrote:
The balkens wrote:
His shift is over, dont ya remember?

yet he keeps posting.


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Postby Draica » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:31 pm

Othelos wrote:
Draica wrote:
You need to get your eyes checked mister United States Kingdom. Everything I posted was intended to be against Islam, not supporting them.

are you going to respond to my posts?


What posts?
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Postby The balkens » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:32 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:Never mind, I take back what I said.


I agree that Islam is a very violent religion. You ought to see my post on Islam here. You may all learn something from it about Islam's violent history.


Like Christianity was any different when it entered puberty.

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