Gay Marriage Legal in North Carolina!

[Olerand]

Marriage is no right either.
I don't see it the constitution.

Marriage shouldn't even be regulated by the state seeing as it's a religious institution. You can't have both separation of Church and state and government control of a religious institution.

That is incorrect. It is not. You might want it to be, but one's desires and wishes are not reality.

[Othelos]

Marriage is no right either.
I don't see it the constitution.

Marriage shouldn't even be regulated by the state seeing as it's a religious institution. You can't have both separation of Church and state and government control of a religious institution.

exactly how is civil marriage a religious institution?

[Socialist Abania]

Marriage is no right either.
I don't see it the constitution.

Marriage shouldn't even be regulated by the state seeing as it's a religious institution. You can't have both separation of Church and state and government control of a religious institution.

That doesn't counter my argument, and it's not getting you farther. Let me underline it for you

I don't see it the constitution.

In 2004, a lot of controversy began to swirl around the topic of marriage as homosexual marriage entered the news once again. In 1999, the Vermont Supreme Court ordered that the state must make accommodations for gay unions, bringing the issue into the public eye. Vermont created civil unions as a result. In 2004, the Massachusetts Supreme Court went a step further, and ruled that the state must accommodate not just an institution equal to marriage, as civil union was designed to be, but that gay marriage itself must be offered in the state. Subsequently, mayors in New York and California began to offer gay marriage in their towns and cities, citing civil rights concerns. Those opposed to gay marriage began to urge that an amendment to the Constitution be created to define marriage as being between a man and a woman only. Opponents of the amendment pointed to the failed Prohibition Amendment as a reason why such social issues should stay out of the Constitution. In the absence of any such amendment, however, marriage is not mentioned in the Constitution at any point. More information is available on the Marriage Topic Page.

[Pandeeria]

A republic is a representative democracy.

But it is a democracy nontheless.

If you wish to call a system where you elect people that don't represent your views that implement polcies that don't reflect your views democracy, then be my guest.

[Rikatan]

You don't get to vote away people's rights.

I think we do, its called referendum, everyone votes our rights away, we can votes there's away. Its a vote, the people voted, and we will make dang sure the people's vote is upheld.

So, basically, people get to make America a worse place because 'they voted on it', ignoring all the actual logic behind making a decision?

[The Grey Wolf]

God accepts people who for who they are as long as they live a good life.

I don't know which god you worship, but my God and his servants say that being 'gay' is a sin, and that salvation cannot be attained no matter how hard you work to get it. You must have faith in Christ to be saved, and that alone will save you. Nothing else.

Ephesians 2:8,9 - For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not by works, so that no one can boast.

That's what the Bible says, at least.

I'm not inclined to view the guy who has ordered rape, child murder, and human sacrifices, as a reliable source on people being able to marry other people with the same genitals.

[Great Kleomentia]

But it is a democracy nontheless.

If you wish to call a system where you elect people that don't represent your views that implement polcies that don't reflect your views democracy, then be my guest.

He did not specify the type of democracy. Since representative democracy is the most popular form, i take it as a default.

[Socialist Abania]

I think we do, its called referendum, everyone votes our rights away, we can votes there's away. Its a vote, the people voted, and we will make dang sure the people's vote is upheld.

So, basically, people get to make America a worse place because 'they voted on it', ignoring all the actual logic behind making a decision?

No, they'll just bust in, grab machine guns, and force everyone to vote it illegal.
That's what I'm seeing.

[Olerand]

You don't get to vote away people's rights.

I think we do, its called referendum, everyone votes our rights away, we can votes there's away. Its a vote, the people voted, and we will make dang sure the people's vote is upheld.

Uh. You are subject to the United States Constitution. The United States Constitution trumps your referendum. Therefore, no you may not do whatever.

[Smoya]

God accepts people who for who they are as long as they live a good life.

I don't know which god you worship, but my God and his servants say that being 'gay' is a sin, and that salvation cannot be attained no matter how hard you work to get it. You must have faith in Christ to be saved, and that alone will save you. Nothing else.

Ephesians 2:8,9 - For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not by works, so that no one can boast.

That's what the Bible says, at least.

Oh, you're one of the people who takes the Bible a little too literally...

There are many more areas of the Bible where it is told that God loves everyone, rather than punishments for sins. A true sinner will be decided by God who doesn't attain salvation, which is not up to us to enforce.

[Pandeeria]

God accepts people who for who they are as long as they live a good life.

I don't know which god you worship, but my God and his servants say that being 'gay' is a sin, and that salvation cannot be attained no matter how hard you work to get it. You must have faith in Christ to be saved, and that alone will save you. Nothing else.

Ephesians 2:8,9 - For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not by works, so that no one can boast.

That's what the Bible says, at least.

No one gives a fuck about the bible.

This is the 21st century man. Humanity may suck, but I expect that we can at least get past fairy tales that make less sense then Santa Claus.

[Othelos]

It's the other way around. We are a Republic with democratic elements.

The very definition of a Republic is that the ruler is democratically elected.

No, not inherently. A republic is the setup of a government, democracy describes how leaders are chosen.

Non-democratic republics can exist.

[Nerotysia]

Ah, finally! You've articulated something! Was that so hard?

Slavery, in the American south before the Civil War. A majority of people were in favor of slavery, which is what led to the war in the first place.

Then it's the people that have a problem, not the basic fundamental of democracy.

If a system of governance fails to account for weaknesses in the human spirit, then it is a failed system.

Unchecked democracy allows this human weakness to perpetrate itself and cause harm to sizable numbers of people. As such, democracy doesn't work. However, a modified version of democracy could eliminate this weakness, which is why the Constitution exists, and the Bill of Rights, and whatnot.

[Socialist Abania]

God accepts people who for who they are as long as they live a good life.

I don't know which god you worship, but my God and his servants say that being 'gay' is a sin, and that salvation cannot be attained no matter how hard you work to get it. You must have faith in Christ to be saved, and that alone will save you. Nothing else.

Ephesians 2:8,9 - For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not by works, so that no one can boast.

That's what the Bible says, at least.

The Bible is not a source. We did this before. Similar to how the Qu'ran and the Torah are not credible sources because they are not firmly confirmed.
I had to since we did this before.

[Pandeeria]

But it is a democracy nontheless.

It's the other way around. We are a Republic with democratic elements.

False. A republic is a set of specific, democratic elements.

[Great Kleomentia]

The very definition of a Republic is that the ruler is democratically elected.

No, not inherently. A republic is the setup of a government, democracy describes how leaders are chosen.

Non-democratic republics can exist.

"A republic is a form of government in which power resides in the people,[1] and the government is ruled by elected leaders run."
Straight out of wiki.

[Rikatan]

Why are we arguing about something this trivial?Whether a man should be straight or gay is god's business,not ours.So just put up with it,whether it's good or bad it is here to stay,so arguing is worthless.Good day to you sirs!

The problem is that some people have this need to annoy others and tell them what they should have been born like.
And the other problem is that, on this forum, people actually try to convince them not to do that. Which is, like, impossible.

[Socialist Abania]

Why are we arguing about something this trivial?Whether a man should be straight or gay is god's business,not ours.So just put up with it,whether it's good or bad it is here to stay,so arguing is worthless.Good day to you sirs!

Because people can't decide whether to make gays fabulous or more fabulous.
Not that they aren't already flaming fab.

[Seno Zhou Varada]

God accepts people who for who they are as long as they live a good life.

I don't know which god you worship, but my God and his servants say that being 'gay' is a sin, and that salvation cannot be attained no matter how hard you work to get it. You must have faith in Christ to be saved, and that alone will save you. Nothing else.

Ephesians 2:8,9 - For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not by works, so that no one can boast.

That's what the Bible says, at least.

The nicest Atheist that fixed all the world's problems such as food, hunger, and women's rights goes to your hell? Wow... just... I'm losing faith in humanity..

[Othelos]

No, not inherently. A republic is the setup of a government, democracy describes how leaders are chosen.

Non-democratic republics can exist.

"A republic is a form of government in which power resides in the people,[1] and the government is ruled by elected leaders run."
Straight out of wiki.

then I'm confused as to how Rome was a republic.

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

It's the other way around. We are a Republic with democratic elements.

False. A republic is a set of specific, democratic elements.

Not all republics are democratic.

[Inzijard]

Why are we arguing about something this trivial?Whether a man should be straight or gay is god's business,not ours.So just put up with it,whether it's good or bad it is here to stay,so arguing is worthless.Good day to you sirs!

The problem is that some people have this need to annoy others and tell them what they should have been born like.
And the other problem is that, on this forum, people actually try to convince them not to do that. Which is, like, impossible.

http://i.imgur.com/uhJMtFs.jpg

[Great Kleomentia]

"A republic is a form of government in which power resides in the people,[1] and the government is ruled by elected leaders run."
Straight out of wiki.

then I'm confused as to how Rome was a republic.

Rome wasn't really a republic. It was a oligarchy.

[Pandeeria]

"A republic is a form of government in which power resides in the people,[1] and the government is ruled by elected leaders run."
Straight out of wiki.

then I'm confused as to how Rome was a republic.

ROME HAD A SENATE.

[Great Kleomentia]

False. A republic is a set of specific, democratic elements.

Not all republics are democratic.

Yes they are. Thats their very definition.