North Korea Megathread

[The balkens]

You do know what BVR engagements are right? Dogfights rarely happen at best.

Yes,but the aircraft are ORDERED to aim for dogfights and get as close as possible.

Which? North Korean? what do they have? MIG-29s at best which are no match for modern american air power.

[Mizrad]

A. US aircraft are based at Osan AB or in Japan, out of range of North Korean Artillery
B. That doesn't mean it has enough to feed all of the troops in a strategically-prolonged conflict.
C. Loyal to the Kim dynasty as a whole, not just Un.
D. Faulty? The ROK provides most of the intelligence on North Korea, and they are really good at it.
E. Bullshit. More of the other way around.
F. You think we really haven't planned all of this out already, and know where their tunnels are?

More info....
G:They have nukes,and a good 400 AT least at that.
H:They have aircraft that can do good dogfights,though are poor at long range.
I:They have THEIR aircraft in positions to counter ours.
J:Kim is willing to destroy America no matter what it takes.
K:If defeat is imminent,Kim will be willing to take out America with him.

G: Source? I would also like to point out that it's proven none of them are capable of reaching the US and if they fired them on Japan, South Korea or detonated them in North Korea then Uncle Sam would unleash a nuclear holocaust on KJU that would make Nagasaki and Hiroshima combined look like child's play.
H: Cold War-era MiG's < Fifth generation stealth air superiority fighters
I: Which I'm sure the US, Japan and SK have planned for. They have multiple combat excersizes a year for exactly these reasons. The aircraft and pilots of North Korea are also no match for those of any country that would be inclined to attack them right now.
J: OK that's one person, what about the others?
K: Yeah, but how?

[Conserative Morality]

G: Source? I would also like to point out that it's proven none of them are capable of reaching the US and if they fired them on Japan, South Korea or detonated them in North Korea then Uncle Sam would unleash a nuclear holocaust on KJU that would make Nagasaki and Hiroshima combined look like child's play.

Doubtful.

[British Prussia]

A. US aircraft are based at Osan AB or in Japan, out of range of North Korean Artillery
B. That doesn't mean it has enough to feed all of the troops in a strategically-prolonged conflict.
C. Loyal to the Kim dynasty as a whole, not just Un.
D. Faulty? The ROK provides most of the intelligence on North Korea, and they are really good at it.
E. Bullshit. More of the other way around.
F. You think we really haven't planned all of this out already, and know where their tunnels are?

More info....
G:They have nukes,and a good 400 AT least at that.
H:They have aircraft that can do good dogfights,though are poor at long range.
I:They have THEIR aircraft in positions to counter ours.
J:Kim is willing to destroy America no matter what it takes.
K:If defeat is imminent,Kim will be willing to take out America with him.

G: So does America, and we know those work.
H: Soviet Era aircraft?
I: You could pretty much just send drones and let AA take out the NK planes.
J: Kim would probably rather be King of America than destroy it.
K: If defeat is imminent NK will surrender.
G: Oh wow, tunnels, these NK troops are so sophisticated.

[The balkens]

G: Source? I would also like to point out that it's proven none of them are capable of reaching the US and if they fired them on Japan, South Korea or detonated them in North Korea then Uncle Sam would unleash a nuclear holocaust on KJU that would make Nagasaki and Hiroshima combined look like child's play.

Doubtful.

If anything, the Norks would detonate them in the silos in spite of south Korea.

for some reason i think they would do that.

[Mizrad]

G: Source? I would also like to point out that it's proven none of them are capable of reaching the US and if they fired them on Japan, South Korea or detonated them in North Korea then Uncle Sam would unleash a nuclear holocaust on KJU that would make Nagasaki and Hiroshima combined look like child's play.

Doubtful.

Ok you got me there I was in the moment [My bad]. The thing is though that even if it just went unanswered it still wouldn't put NK in any better of a position then it is now because you know what that would cause? Everybody to just mind their own business. Just like what's currently happening. However military action by the surrounding countries would most likely be taken be it nuclear or not.

[Atlantica]

As an actual resident and citizen of South Korea, I wish that this does not happen - the last thing Korea needs is another war.

[Mizrad]

As an actual resident and citizen of South Korea, I wish that this does not happen - the last thing Korea needs is another war.

Well as an actual resident of South Korea might I ask what the general feel everybody has towards North Korea is?

[Rebellious Fishermen]

I don't believe North Korea will ever be peaceful without a violent overthrow, invasion, or unification.

[Atlantica]

As an actual resident and citizen of South Korea, I wish that this does not happen - the last thing Korea needs is another war.

Well as an actual resident of South Korea might I ask what the general feel everybody has towards North Korea is?

Well, to begin with, South Koreans generally dislike the North Government - they have taken actions of offense against us (see the two attacks in 2010). Also, there are some left-wing, pro-North Korean supporters hidden within Korean society - who, in my opinion, would make South Korea follow the example of South Vietnam if not 'eradicated'.

[Arumdaum]

Well as an actual resident of South Korea might I ask what the general feel everybody has towards North Korea is?

Well, to begin with, South Koreans generally dislike the North Government - they have taken actions of offense against us (see the two attacks in 2010). Also, there are some left-wing, pro-North Korean supporters hidden within Korean society - who, in my opinion, would make South Korea follow the example of South Vietnam if not 'eradicated'.

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That's utter bullshit. The claim that left-wingers in Korea secretly support the North Korean government is just crap made to scare ordinary Koreans and discourage people from voting for them.

Not to mention, Vietnam is a completely different case.

[Gauthier]

North Korea is always fucking yacking about re-unifying Korea with their ZOMG 60 TRILLION SOLIDERS AND 700K FLYING BATTLESHIPS.

I have half a mind to report them for God-modding.

North Korea is just presenting a valid opinion that you need to argue down.

[Arumdaum]

Apologies about the Source, I'll find a better one later hopefully.

I never actually looked at your source, so I assumed it would be some random conservative blog since you said this, but Yonhap isn't actually a bad or disreputable news source or something. It's a major news agency; Korea's largest, in fact. You don't need to apologize for it just because most people on this site have never heard of it.

[Grenartia]

A. US aircraft are based at Osan AB or in Japan, out of range of North Korean Artillery
B. That doesn't mean it has enough to feed all of the troops in a strategically-prolonged conflict.
C. Loyal to the Kim dynasty as a whole, not just Un.
D. Faulty? The ROK provides most of the intelligence on North Korea, and they are really good at it.
E. Bullshit. More of the other way around.
F. You think we really haven't planned all of this out already, and know where their tunnels are?

More info....
G:They have nukes,and a good 400 AT least at that.
H:They have aircraft that can do good dogfights,though are poor at long range.
I:They have THEIR aircraft in positions to counter ours.
J:Kim is willing to destroy America no matter what it takes.
K:If defeat is imminent,Kim will be willing to take out America with him.

G: The US has at least 10 times that many, and has second strike capability, and the will to retaliate in kind against nuclear attack. Not that second strike is even necessary against NK, as Dork Korea has shitty missile tech.
H: Bitch, please. NK's air force probably hasn't changed much since the war. And even then, MiG 15s were fairly inferior to F-86s. And our planes have only improved since then.
I: Me thinks you've been drinking too much of Kimmy's Kool Aid. You sound like a Dork Korea sympathizer.
J: He can try his best, but it will never be good enough. We have the tech, we have the allies, we have the weapons, we have the will, and we have the ability. We can and will wipe the floor with the NK military.

I mean really. North Korea needs to learn that it shouldn't write checks its ass can't cash, and that if you're going to bluff, you'd better be damned well prepared to have that bluff called.

K: How, exactly? What's he gonna do? Shoot off one of his shitty missiles that can barely even reach Japan? Japan=/=America.

[Jamjai]

probably just threats and small proxy battles

[United States Kingdom]

I think with the recent shit about Kim Jong Un or whatever Kim who leads NK, it may happen but really you never know. Hopefully the Korean people will choose what is best for them.

[Grenartia]

You do know what BVR engagements are right? Dogfights rarely happen at best.

Yes,but the aircraft are ORDERED to aim for dogfights and get as close as possible.

And? We still have the best air force on the fucking planet. We don't even have to see them to kick their asses out of the sky. And they have no stealth tech to speak of, so their planes light up like Christmas trees on radar. And in order to get in a dogfight, you've gotta get in range. They simply won't. And even if, by some miracle, they could, there's no way they could win any significant number of engagements, because our pilots train for dogfights just in case. There's no way Dork Korea can win.

Yes,but the aircraft are ORDERED to aim for dogfights and get as close as possible.

Which? North Korean? what do they have? MIG-29s at best which are no match for modern american air power.

Exactly. F-22s render any North Korean sympathizers' arguments invalid.

North Korea is always fucking yacking about re-unifying Korea with their ZOMG 60 TRILLION SOLIDERS AND 700K FLYING BATTLESHIPS.

I have half a mind to report them for God-modding.

North Korea is just presenting a valid opinion that you need to argue down.

And they always go on about "do u even lift, bro? fite me IRL 1v1 fgt!", but we all know that in reality, they're just a 12 year old douchebag wannabe circle that can't even bruise a banana.

[Gothic Graceland]

I think the coup actually happened in 2013, and Kim Jong-un is only serving as a puppet leader with the OGD leading the nation from behind the scenes with Un as a puppet leader...

[Iniek]

I think the coup actually happened in 2013, and Kim Jong-un is only serving as a puppet leader with the OGD leading the nation from behind the scenes with Un as a puppet leader...

I think Un just never realized it. He seems too... "out there"(Even for NK standards) to realize most things.

[Othelos]

I honestly wonder how Kim & his sister went to school in Austria (or switzerland, I can't remember which), and then went back home and didn't feel bad about anything going on around them.

[Galloism]

Diplomacy will save them.

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[United Marxist Nations]

I honestly wonder how Kim & his sister went to school in Austria, and then went back home and didn't feel bad about anything going on around them.

They might have.

[United States Kingdom]

Diplomacy will save them.

You mean a USA military tool used to interfere with affairs of other countries? Yes you are definetly right.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yes,but the aircraft are ORDERED to aim for dogfights and get as close as possible.

No, they aren't. Most of the KPAF's MiG 29's belong to the 55th Kumsong Guard Air Regiment based at Sunch'ŏn and they would be used to defend Pyongyang's airspace. A small handful of them are rotated through other air bases at Onchon and Kwail for QRA duties but they would in no way order them to try and dogfight. Apart from that they have no good aircraft to dogfight.

More info....
G:They have nukes,and a good 400 AT least at that.

Wrong, the highest end numbers for the DPRK's nuclear arsenal sit at around 40. With more accurate numbers being 25-30.

H:They have aircraft that can do good dogfights,though are poor at long range.

Apart from a handful of MiG 29's and MiG 23's the KPAF has no good dog fighting aircraft. Hence why most of their aircraft have been refitted to provide CAS.

I:They have THEIR aircraft in positions to counter ours.

Again wrong, the KPAF's best aircraft are solely for defending the North's airspace in combination with ground based triple A.

J:Kim is willing to destroy America no matter what it takes.

Good thing the furthest range missiles the DPRK have can only reach Alaska and Hawaii.

K:If defeat is imminent,Kim will be willing to take out America with him.

See above.

You do know what BVR engagements are right? Dogfights rarely happen at best.

KPAF MiG 29's do have a rudimentary BVR capability, R-27R's were purchased in 1991 and they have a maximum range of 70 or so kilometers. It's a safe bet the DPRK carbon copied the missiles, but again these would only be used to defend Pyongyang.

Hell, US and SK forces could probably win by just offering the NK forces food.

Funny, but probably not. South Korea and the DoD estimate Best Korea has at least a years worth of supplies and fuel in a total war situation.

[Grenartia]

Diplomacy will save them.

You mean a USA military tool used to interfere with affairs of other countries? Yes you are definetly right.

Only to take out threats to our security, and most of the time, that's only needed because the locals are too corrupt/incompetent/sympathetic to actually deal with the threats.