"We are in America's second Revolutionary War"

[Rolling squid]

We need to get him, that guy in virgina with the crazy website, and Glen Beck together, let them run a small country for a year, and bet on how long it takes them to crash and burn.

Sounds like a great follow up to the BBC's "How to Start Your Own Country". But who is "that guy in virgina with the crazy website"?

This guy. He's actually North Carolinan.

And BTW, on the subject of canned Elkhunts.... In the Hill Country in Texas, we have 8 foot high fenced ranches SPECIFICALLY to fence in game. Then, we charge hunters to come in and kill them.

Hunting is one of the biggest industries in my neck of the woods.


GASP!!! The inhumanity of it all.

That's not hunting. It may not be immoral, but to call it hunting is an insult to anyone who actually hunts.

Oh no. we dont call it hunting in Texas. It is harvesting. You dont even need a gun. Put a handful of corn in one hand, and a big rock i nthe other. When the buck comes up to eat out of your hand.... WHAM!! Backstrap Chili.

Where is the appeal in this? All the enjoyment in hunting is in the chase.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

We need to get him, that guy in virgina with the crazy website, and Glen Beck together, let them run a small country for a year, and bet on how long it takes them to crash and burn.

Sounds like a great follow up to the BBC's "How to Start Your Own Country". But who is "that guy in virgina with the crazy website"?

This guy. He's actually North Carolinan.

And BTW, on the subject of canned Elkhunts.... In the Hill Country in Texas, we have 8 foot high fenced ranches SPECIFICALLY to fence in game. Then, we charge hunters to come in and kill them.

Hunting is one of the biggest industries in my neck of the woods.


GASP!!! The inhumanity of it all.

That's not hunting. It may not be immoral, but to call it hunting is an insult to anyone who actually hunts.

Oh no. we dont call it hunting in Texas. It is harvesting. You dont even need a gun. Put a handful of corn in one hand, and a big rock i nthe other. When the buck comes up to eat out of your hand.... WHAM!! Backstrap Chili.

Where is the appeal in this? All the enjoyment in hunting is in the chase.

It is in the organic protein. A lot of people I know do not buy meat from the grocery store. They get all the years meat from hunting harvesting. In Texas the bag limit for Whitetail is 5 animals, 2 of which are bucks. That is each. For a family of 4 that can be a lot of meat. Granted most whitetail where I am at are about the size of a sick great dane. Most people I know treat hunting harvesting season as a holiday.

$50 for hunting license.
$25 for box of shells.
$2.50 bag of pork skins.
$10.00 case of beer.
Whole years worth of meat. Priceless.

Or something like that.

[Cameroi]

trophy schmophy,
you kill it you eat it.

war is brutal and barbaric, anything else about it,
however sexy the technologies of death, is pure fantasy.

if the loonies are back in idaho,
better there then running the whole country,
like they've been for most of the past decade.

not that one presidential election did or could get rid of very many of them.

sounds like a copycat wanna be hitler.
hope people don't get conned into going for it.

if they do, well everyone honest will end up dead in prison camps for a few years,
but like that other thousand year reich, that would indeed be the end of amerika.

refusal to accept climate debt my prove to be anyway.

everything that needs to be said, really, is, hopefully,
obvious enough not to need to be at all.

[The Lone Alliance]

I sure hope someone submitted this to FSTDT.

PS: So since he more or less declared his succession...
Does that make him a traitor of the country?

[Flameswroth]

trophy schmophy,
you kill it you eat it.

war is brutal and barbaric, anything else about it,
however sexy the technologies of death, is pure fantasy.

if the loonies are back in idaho,
better there then running the whole country,
like they've been for most of the past decade.

not that one presidential election did or could get rid of very many of them.

sounds like a copycat wanna be hitler.
hope people don't get conned into going for it.

if they do, well everyone honest will end up dead in prison camps for a few years,
but like that other thousand year reich, that would indeed be the end of amerika.

refusal to accept climate debt my prove to be anyway.

everything that needs to be said, really, is, hopefully,
obvious enough not to need to be at all.

I-is this a poem?

[New Manvir]

And BTW, on the subject of canned Elkhunts.... In the Hill Country in Texas, we have 8 foot high fenced ranches SPECIFICALLY to fence in game. Then, we charge hunters to come in and kill them.

Hunting is one of the biggest industries in my neck of the woods.


GASP!!! The inhumanity of it all.

Pussy, the only real way to kill animals is with your bare hands.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

And BTW, on the subject of canned Elkhunts.... In the Hill Country in Texas, we have 8 foot high fenced ranches SPECIFICALLY to fence in game. Then, we charge hunters to come in and kill them.

Hunting is one of the biggest industries in my neck of the woods.


GASP!!! The inhumanity of it all.

Pussy, the only real way to kill animals is with your bare hands.

Funny story actually. I did kill a deer with my bare hands, sorta. I was hunting with my daughter and using a borrowed rifle. The owner of the rifle said it was hyper accurate and never missed. So I drew down on a doe and tried a head shot. I missed. An hour or two later, when the deer all came back, I decided that a head shot wasnt going to cut it, so I decided on a neck shot. I shot her in the neck. The bullet hit the spine, went down , hit the breastbone (?) and exited the front leg that was facing away. This exit wound basically blew off her leg. She went down and was sorta flopping around. I walked up to her and being the stupid bad-ass that I am, took out my 12" ka-bar.

I told my daughter to turn around, because I didnt want her to see me go all al qaeda on this deer. She turned around and I grabbed the doe by the neck and stabbed it in the neck to try to bleed it out. This doe then flipped out and flung her broken leg around on me and NAILED me right in the chest. My daughter, who didnt listen and had turned around, saw this as was rolling around on the ground laughing. I finally got her, the doe, not my daughter, dead and field dressed.

When I got home, I had a bruise the size of a serving plate on my chest. My wife NEVER lets me live hat one down.

[Cameroi]

trophy schmophy,
you kill it you eat it.

war is brutal and barbaric, anything else about it,
however sexy the technologies of death, is pure fantasy.

if the loonies are back in idaho,
better there then running the whole country,
like they've been for most of the past decade.

not that one presidential election did or could get rid of very many of them.

sounds like a copycat wanna be hitler.
hope people don't get conned into going for it.

if they do, well everyone honest will end up dead in prison camps for a few years,
but like that other thousand year reich, that would indeed be the end of amerika.

refusal to accept climate debt my prove to be anyway.

everything that needs to be said, really, is, hopefully,
obvious enough not to need to be at all.

I-is this a poem?

hadn't thought of that.
probably do about as much useful good if it was.
what people will or won't do,
is probably as random as the rest of the universe.

i just know the kind of world i'd rather be living in,
and people going around killing each just isn't any part of it.

[Flameswroth]

And BTW, on the subject of canned Elkhunts.... In the Hill Country in Texas, we have 8 foot high fenced ranches SPECIFICALLY to fence in game. Then, we charge hunters to come in and kill them.

Hunting is one of the biggest industries in my neck of the woods.


GASP!!! The inhumanity of it all.

Pussy, the only real way to kill animals is with your bare hands.

I think there's sort of a macabre irony to that sentiment. Let's say you come across someone who goes around killing animals with his bare hands. Society isn't going to view them as normal, but rather as some sort of sociopath who may soon graduate to killing humans.

The people who love animals will always get ya, unless you don't kill animals at all.

[The Black Forrest]

Oh great... Yet another Mormon bashing thread. Should we just ban me now to save the trouble? Gimme a break people.

Meh.

You go on about liberals and democrats and socialism. Don't see why it's an issue......

[Greed and Death]

Oh great... Yet another Mormon bashing thread. Should we just ban me now to save the trouble? Gimme a break people.

Meh.

You go on about liberals and democrats and socialism. Don't see why it's an issue......

Its easy to Bash mormons.
So its not very entertaining to watch.

Now poeple going on and on about the liberals is just funny.

[Rolling squid]

Funny story actually. I did kill a deer with my bare hands, sorta. I was hunting with my daughter and using a borrowed rifle. The owner of the rifle said it was hyper accurate and never missed. So I drew down on a doe and tried a head shot. I missed. An hour or two later, when the deer all came back, I decided that a head shot wasnt going to cut it, so I decided on a neck shot. I shot her in the neck. The bullet hit the spine, went down , hit the breastbone (?) and exited the front leg that was facing away. This exit wound basically blew off her leg. She went down and was sorta flopping around. I walked up to her and being the stupid bad-ass that I am, took out my 12" ka-bar.

I told my daughter to turn around, because I didnt want her to see me go all al qaeda on this deer. She turned around and I grabbed the doe by the neck and stabbed it in the neck to try to bleed it out. This doe then flipped out and flung her broken leg around on me and NAILED me right in the chest. My daughter, who didnt listen and had turned around, saw this as was rolling around on the ground laughing. I finally got her, the doe, not my daughter, dead and field dressed.

When I got home, I had a bruise the size of a serving plate on my chest. My wife NEVER lets me live hat one down.

Nice. Next time, more stopping power.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

Funny story actually. I did kill a deer with my bare hands, sorta. I was hunting with my daughter and using a borrowed rifle. The owner of the rifle said it was hyper accurate and never missed. So I drew down on a doe and tried a head shot. I missed. An hour or two later, when the deer all came back, I decided that a head shot wasnt going to cut it, so I decided on a neck shot. I shot her in the neck. The bullet hit the spine, went down , hit the breastbone (?) and exited the front leg that was facing away. This exit wound basically blew off her leg. She went down and was sorta flopping around. I walked up to her and being the stupid bad-ass that I am, took out my 12" ka-bar.

I told my daughter to turn around, because I didnt want her to see me go all al qaeda on this deer. She turned around and I grabbed the doe by the neck and stabbed it in the neck to try to bleed it out. This doe then flipped out and flung her broken leg around on me and NAILED me right in the chest. My daughter, who didnt listen and had turned around, saw this as was rolling around on the ground laughing. I finally got her, the doe, not my daughter, dead and field dressed.

When I got home, I had a bruise the size of a serving plate on my chest. My wife NEVER lets me live hat one down.

Nice. Next time, more stopping power.

I think it was a 22.250 (hence the hyper accurate claim) I think also that the owner was used to head shots, which means not a lot of stopping power was needed.

In hindsight, I think I know now why those hunters on the Redneck channel always poke the downed deer with their rifle before squatting down to pose with it. Live, get beat up by a girl deer, and learn.

[Daistallia 2104]

I didn't mean to assert that a trophy elk that was purchased from a farm and point-blanked was in any way as valid as a trophy elk taken in the wild. Far from it. In fact, it was not even my intention to comment on the hunters that utilize the farms at all, though I suppose it was inevitable. Rather, I was merely detailing how being a trophy elk rancher is not inherently douchebag-y. They are simply exploiting a demand in the market, and doing so in a comparatively humane and appropriate way, as far as cattle go. Besides, I imagine they make a bit of cash off the shed antlers as well for those who'd rather not hunt them, but that's just speculation on my part.

Regardless of it's legal status, it remains unethical.

It is interesting to me that it is outlawed in some states. I don't think butchering cows (cow cows, not cow elk ) is illegal in any state (yet), and the elk has a far more sporting chance than they do. Maybe it's just butthurt government officials who can't afford the trophy elk being all jealous and not wanting those elk to count .

Apples and oranges.

By the by, does anyone know if domesticated elk, grown on an elk ranch, can even qualify for state records? Or do they have to be native? I should know this, my family being the sport hunters they are but alas it has been some time

Boone and Crockett eligibility rules state:

For the purpose of entry into the Boone and Crockett Club’s® records, North American big game harvested by the use of the following methods or under the following conditions are ineligible:

I. Spotting or herding game from the air, followed by landing in its vicinity for the purpose of pursuit and shooting;
II. Herding or chasing with the aid of any motorized equipment;
III. Use of electronic communication devices to guide hunters to game, artificial lighting, electronic light intensifying devices (night vision optics), sights with built-in electronic range-finding capabilities, thermal imaging equipment, electronic game calls or cameras/timers/motion tracking devices that transmit images and other information to the hunter;
IV. Confined by artificial barriers, including escape-proof fenced enclosures;
V. Transplanted for the purpose of commercial shooting;
VI. By the use of traps or pharmaceuticals;
VII. While swimming, helpless in deep snow, or helpless in any other natural or artificial medium;
VIII. On another hunter’s license;
IX. Not in full compliance with the game laws or regulations of the federal government or of any state, province, territory, or tribal council on reservations or tribal lands;

http://www.boone-crockett.org/huntingEt ... tingEthics

But, in my experience, most folks who want a big trophy want something to show off and make up for something inadequatre intheir own lives, and a trophy hanging on the wall does that better than a name in the record books.

[Daistallia 2104]

Oh great... Yet another Mormon bashing thread. Should we just ban me now to save the trouble? Gimme a break people.

Say what???

Show me one place where the LDS have been bashed here.

[Rolling squid]

Nice. Next time, more stopping power.

I think it was a 22.250 (hence the hyper accurate claim) I think also that the owner was used to head shots, which means not a lot of stopping power was needed.

In hindsight, I think I know now why those hunters on the Redneck channel always poke the downed deer with their rifle before squatting down to pose with it. Live, get beat up by a girl deer, and learn.

Using a 22.250 for headshots is a strange way to hunt deer, and is a good way to go hungry. I've always used .30-06 and aimed for the heart/lung/shoulder sweet spot. Much more reliable, and less risk of injury.

[Muravyets]

That's called democracy.
Everyone works to get their own way and those who succeed in the legislative branch are called politicians or lobbyist.

In the judicial branch they are called lawyers and judges.

And in the executive branch they are called governors and presidents.

No, actually, that's not democracy. That's also not what legislators do, and it's not what the courts do, or what lawyers do (not even close), and it sure as fuck is not what judges do.

It is, however, what lobbyists do. It's also what little kids do. But neither of those groups is at all interested in democracy.

[Cameroi]

That's called democracy.
Everyone works to get their own way and those who succeed in the legislative branch are called politicians or lobbyist.

In the judicial branch they are called lawyers and judges.

And in the executive branch they are called governors and presidents.

No, actually, that's not democracy. That's also not what legislators do, and it's not what the courts do, or what lawyers do (not even close), and it sure as fuck is not what judges do.

It is, however, what lobbyists do. It's also what little kids do. But neither of those groups is at all interested in democracy.

the difference between lobbyists and little kids is that little kids haven't usurped the political process.

[Greed and Death]

That's called democracy.
Everyone works to get their own way and those who succeed in the legislative branch are called politicians or lobbyist.

In the judicial branch they are called lawyers and judges.

And in the executive branch they are called governors and presidents.

No, actually, that's not democracy. That's also not what legislators do, and it's not what the courts do, or what lawyers do (not even close), and it sure as fuck is not what judges do.

It is, however, what lobbyists do. It's also what little kids do. But neither of those groups is at all interested in democracy.

Okay how democracy actually ends up working in the real world then.

[Muravyets]

That's called democracy.
Everyone works to get their own way and those who succeed in the legislative branch are called politicians or lobbyist.

In the judicial branch they are called lawyers and judges.

And in the executive branch they are called governors and presidents.

No, actually, that's not democracy. That's also not what legislators do, and it's not what the courts do, or what lawyers do (not even close), and it sure as fuck is not what judges do.

It is, however, what lobbyists do. It's also what little kids do. But neither of those groups is at all interested in democracy.

Okay how democracy actually ends up working in the real world then.

Still wrong. I did not say it's not what judges etc should do in an ideal world. I said it's not what they do. In this world. The real one.

What you posted is a very popular faux-cynic dismissal of democracy that lots of people like to parrot for some reason that I don't get -- maybe they hope it will make it look like they've actually thought about the matter, but I wouldn't know.

But all that aside, the bottom line is that it is wrong on the facts, and it describes people operating in ways they just don't. Cynicism only works if it's based on facts, and one can only be a realist if one talks about reality.

[Muravyets]

That's called democracy.
Everyone works to get their own way and those who succeed in the legislative branch are called politicians or lobbyist.

In the judicial branch they are called lawyers and judges.

And in the executive branch they are called governors and presidents.

No, actually, that's not democracy. That's also not what legislators do, and it's not what the courts do, or what lawyers do (not even close), and it sure as fuck is not what judges do.

It is, however, what lobbyists do. It's also what little kids do. But neither of those groups is at all interested in democracy.

the difference between lobbyists and little kids is that little kids haven't usurped the political process.

I don't know. Some of those little rats on K Street look pretty young, but maybe that's just me getting old. Are we sure it's not a Lord of the Flies trip?

[Greed and Death]

That's called democracy.
Everyone works to get their own way and those who succeed in the legislative branch are called politicians or lobbyist.

In the judicial branch they are called lawyers and judges.

And in the executive branch they are called governors and presidents.

No, actually, that's not democracy. That's also not what legislators do, and it's not what the courts do, or what lawyers do (not even close), and it sure as fuck is not what judges do.

It is, however, what lobbyists do. It's also what little kids do. But neither of those groups is at all interested in democracy.

Okay how democracy actually ends up working in the real world then.

Still wrong. I did not say it's not what judges etc should do in an ideal world. I said it's not what they do. In this world. The real one.

What you posted is a very popular faux-cynic dismissal of democracy that lots of people like to parrot for some reason that I don't get -- maybe they hope it will make it look like they've actually thought about the matter, but I wouldn't know.

But all that aside, the bottom line is that it is wrong on the facts, and it describes people operating in ways they just don't. Cynicism only works if it's based on facts, and one can only be a realist if one talks about reality.

What that he didn't like a law so he got it changed ?
How is that not democratic ?
Scotus rulings have changed the law.
And executive orders have rendered laws obsolete. (or ignored laws in the case of Andrew Jackson).

[Maxaxle]

In a word:
FREAKING RELIGIOUS NUTS!!!

[KiloMikeAlpha]

Nice. Next time, more stopping power.

I think it was a 22.250 (hence the hyper accurate claim) I think also that the owner was used to head shots, which means not a lot of stopping power was needed.

In hindsight, I think I know now why those hunters on the Redneck channel always poke the downed deer with their rifle before squatting down to pose with it. Live, get beat up by a girl deer, and learn.

Using a 22.250 for headshots is a strange way to hunt deer, and is a good way to go hungry. I've always used .30-06 and aimed for the heart/lung/shoulder sweet spot. Much more reliable, and less risk of injury.

I know of at least one guy, other that the owner of that gun who use 22.250's to head shot deer. Granted, they are sitting at a picnic table on their front porch and the yard rats are only 10 yards away eating at a feeder....

[KiloMikeAlpha]

In a word:
FREAKING RELIGIOUS NUTS!!!

That was three words. *mutters something about public education*