18 yr old shoots at off-duty St. Louis cop, gets killed

[Ifreann]

The Blue Code of Silence is real thing. It doesn't have to make logical sense for people to engage in it.

There's a huge difference between silence and planting evidence/framing someone.

Because you can't cover something up by remaining silent, only by planting evidence or framing someone.

[Organized States]

To be honest with you, let's just put everyone there in that category.

That's the way I run my life. I trust only about 4 or 5 people, that's it really.

Not everyone has the legal authority to bust you or carries guns. Hell, I don't live in the US and I don't have to treat cops this way, proving there's another way.

No, I mean everyone on the planet. And I'm being serious here. I treat everyone I don't know personally as a potential threat, and I mean everyone.

That's primarily because I've been a victim of what might be considered a hate-crime when I was younger, but that's not important.

[Laerod]

You can't detach this case from the greater context. Even if the cop did everything right, we live in a world where American cops need to be treated as though they were potentially rabid animals or muggers.

Do we, or was this sarcasm?

I don't, because I don't live in the US. The half year that I spent there on my semester abroad that point was driven home. In a nonpainful manner, fortunately enough, but driven home nonetheless.

It isn't about detaching certain cases from the greater context. It's about detaching "profiling" from "use of lethal force" which must be done by all means because it is reality. Until it can be proven that all things being equal a cop will kill a black mean deader than a white man, people making such statements can keep their unsubstantiated claims to themselves.

There you go detaching it from the greater context.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

I was referring to the bit where you apparently think that all black people are untrustworthy.

Not all, but pretty much 75% of them are untrustworthy. I can back this up since a part of my family are adopted African-Americans, and pretty much 3 out of 4 of them ended up becoming hooligans/jobless/thieves. They lived in a pretty upper-class white neighborhood also. However, like most African-Americans apparently, they lacked a strong traditional institution to guide them.

This is a pretty common pattern.

*facepalm*

[Laerod]

Not everyone has the legal authority to bust you or carries guns. Hell, I don't live in the US and I don't have to treat cops this way, proving there's another way.

No, I mean everyone on the planet. And I'm being serious here. I treat everyone I don't know personally as a potential threat, and I mean everyone.

That's primarily because I've been a victim of what might be considered a hate-crime when I was younger, but that's not important.

I'm sorry to hear that.

[Ursidae Imperium]

He had a sandwich, with cheese! He was innocent!

>really trusting protesters to not exaggerate the event
>really trusting black protesters this much
>trusting black people

Is this satire, or are you really that absurdly racist?

I'm a bear with black fur, and I find this offensive.

[Organized States]

No, I mean everyone on the planet. And I'm being serious here. I treat everyone I don't know personally as a potential threat, and I mean everyone.

That's primarily because I've been a victim of what might be considered a hate-crime when I was younger, but that's not important.

I'm sorry to hear that.

Eh, I've gotten over it. It wasn't really that bad anyways (really just verbal harassment), but still it left a mark.

[-The West Coast-]

Of course the kid wasn't armed! Of course, of course, of course. It's always the cops fault no matter how clear cut it is, I keep forgetting.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Do we, or was this sarcasm?

I don't, because I don't live in the US. The half year that I spent there on my semester abroad that point was driven home. In a nonpainful manner, fortunately enough, but driven home nonetheless.

It isn't about detaching certain cases from the greater context. It's about detaching "profiling" from "use of lethal force" which must be done by all means because it is reality. Until it can be proven that all things being equal a cop will kill a black mean deader than a white man, people making such statements can keep their unsubstantiated claims to themselves.

There you go detaching it from the greater context.

I don't understand your point. My point is that people need to acknowledge that blacks get killed more often by police because they end up interacting with them more often, not because they're black.

EDIT: Meaning that, if whites were to get the same amount of "attention" from the police, they'd get killed just as often.

[Gig em Aggies]

I suspectthe"Vic's" family just wNts to get on the band wagon and turn this into another ferguson. People are quick to lay blame without proper evidence of said incident. So I say wait and see.

It's rather natural for families to consider their own victims rather than having been lawfully shot. Imagine if someone shot one of your family members; you'd likely trust that they were innocent first rather than trusting the judgment of the cop that did it. This is because you typically know them better than you'll know that cop.

True but their are some people out their including me who have stuff that family members don't know so the family really can't say they know them well enough to say he a
Was unarmed at the moment of the shooting.

[Gig em Aggies]

He had a sandwich, with cheese! He was innocent!

>really trusting protesters to not exaggerate the event
>really trusting black protesters this much
>trusting black people

Is this satire, or are you really that absurdly racist?

Its satire and being a smartass.

[Avenio]

EDIT: Meaning that, if whites were to get the same amount of "attention" from the police, they'd get killed just as often.

Let's use an example from a few days ago in Washington DC. Two police officers respond to a report of a burglary in an upscale neighbourhood. On the way, they encounter a black man walking along the street carrying two bags. They pull over and arrest him in preparation for a search. One of the people living in the houses adjacent, however - one Jody Westby, a white lawyer - sees the incident and marches out of her house with a housekeeper following behind recording events. She confronts the officers and takes control of the situation very quickly, forcing them to admit that not only were they in the wrong neighbourhood, but that 64-year-old Dennis Stucky was a longtime employee of that particular neighbourhood, acting as a maintenance person. She then walks over to Stucky, grabs him by the hand and pulls him away from the officers, insisting to them that he is innocent of any crime, that she's an attorney and that she intends to report this. The officers let her pull him away from them, and the confrontation ends with them leaving. There is a video of the entire incident available.

Now honestly, do you think that if Westby had been an African-American - whether female or male - and/or been not recording the confrontation, they would have let him/her grab a potential suspect and take over the situation like that?

[Laerod]

It's rather natural for families to consider their own victims rather than having been lawfully shot. Imagine if someone shot one of your family members; you'd likely trust that they were innocent first rather than trusting the judgment of the cop that did it. This is because you typically know them better than you'll know that cop.

True but their are some people out their including me who have stuff that family members don't know so the family really can't say they know them well enough to say he a
Was unarmed at the moment of the shooting.

Yeah... that's my point. The reason is typically not "because they want to jump on the bandwagon". The family's behavior is fairly consistent with what you'd expect from most families.

[San-Silvacian]

Also, how many bullet does a police gun hold?

Depends on the model.

There is no such thing as a 'police gun' though.

[Dindu]

HE DIN DO NUFFIN
HE A GOOD BOY!!
NEED MO MUHNNAY FO DEM PRO-GRAMS

[Farnhamia]

HE DIN DO NUFFIN
HE A GOOD BOY!!
NEED MO MUHNNAY FO DEM PRO-GRAMS

An astounding first post. I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say I tremble in anticipation of your future contributions.

If you have something intelligible to say, please, contribute, but this sort of thing is borderline spam.

[Dindu]

HE DIN DO NUFFIN
HE A GOOD BOY!!
NEED MO MUHNNAY FO DEM PRO-GRAMS

An astounding first post. I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say I tremble in anticipation of your future contributions.

If you have something intelligible to say, please, contribute, but this sort of thing is borderline spam.

Im sorry, but what i might have to say may be "offensive" or "triggering" to someone, and i might get punished for it because i hurt their feelings. As if i care.

[Rhodisia]

If the 18 year old guy shot first, that fucker deserved it. No sympathy for him or his family.

[Farnhamia]

You really trust the police version of the story?
Without any actual evidence shown?
Despite other witnesses saying otherwise?

Hmmmmmmm.

He had a sandwich, with cheese! He was innocent!

>really trusting protesters to not exaggerate the event
>really trusting black protesters this much
>trusting black people

Is this satire, or are you really that absurdly racist?

Are you really this absurdly gullible to not figure out a moderate to heavy portion of black people are a lower class in society and that racial tensions have caused them to do things like this all the time?

I guess we'll find out in the next episode of... Shut, It, Down!

*** Warned for trolling ***

Additional post added for context.

[Kelinfort]

HE DIN DO NUFFIN
HE A GOOD BOY!!
NEED MO MUHNNAY FO DEM PRO-GRAMS

This kind of thinking will solve America's racial issues in no time.

[Dindu]

Are you really this absurdly gullible to not figure out a moderate to heavy portion of black people are a lower class in society and that racial tensions have caused them to do things like this all the time?

I guess we'll find out in the next episode of... Shut, It, Down!

*** Warned for trolling ***

How is what he said trolling? Admin abuse seems to be prevalent on this forum.

[Williamson]

You can't really say for sure if the off duty officer was justified in the shooting or not yet. People assume things without hearing all the evidence.

[Sediczja]

You can't really say for sure if the off duty officer was justified in the shooting or not yet. People assume things without hearing all the evidence.

I think it's pretty justified if the officer was fired at first.

[Avenio]

An astounding first post. I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say I tremble in anticipation of your future contributions.

If you have something intelligible to say, please, contribute, but this sort of thing is borderline spam.

Im sorry, but what i might have to say may be "offensive" or "triggering" to someone, and i might get punished for it because i hurt their feelings. As if i care.

Well, you obviously very much do care. You cared enough to go and create a puppet account for a one-off moronic post. And enough to defend said moronic post from criticism. You can't go and feign indifference when you've already invested this much energy, dearie.

[Fanosolia]

You know if there's such a mistrust for police in america, why not just put camera's on the police uniform to be warn at all times? Easy way to verify this sort of thing. Harder to play the race card there then.

I know some country has done it.