18 yr old shoots at off-duty St. Louis cop, gets killed

[Navorgska]

You really trust the police version of the story?
Without any actual evidence shown?
Despite other witnesses saying otherwise?

Hmmmmmmm.

He had a sandwich, with cheese! He was innocent!

>really trusting protesters to not exaggerate the event
>really trusting black protesters this much
>trusting black people

[Laerod]

Why do you believe the family would lie but you don't believe the police would? They both have the same interest, to protect one of their own.

The police doesn't have as strong an interest, if any, to protect an off-duty cop for a multitude of reasons. For starters, the deed was simply not done while on their clock, which is legally and PR relevant. They would get zero direct benefits by covering up for an off-duty cop, and considering the fact that he was wearing a police uniform whilst off-duty, few indirect ones.

The Blue Code of Silence is real thing. It doesn't have to make logical sense for people to engage in it.

[Kelinfort]

Until we actually solve these issues, the African American community will react violently whenever any perceived or real police brutality occurs.

[Wisconsin9]

You really trust the police version of the story?
Without any actual evidence shown?
Despite other witnesses saying otherwise?

Hmmmmmmm.

He had a sandwich, with cheese! He was innocent!

>really trusting protesters to not exaggerate the event
>really trusting black protesters this much
>trusting black people

Is this satire, or are you really that absurdly racist?

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

It's starting to get annoying when every time a black person is shot and killed by cops a protest spawns up.

That's the problem with cops lying and faking evidence. At some point the people that take most of the shit stop believing them. It's called "crying wolf".

Actually I was wrong. I was thinking of the FN FiveSeven which has a 20 rnd mag, but that uses a rather uncommon cartridge, the 5.7x28mm, which I think is almost never used by police. Most pistols in police use come with magazines up to 17-18 rounds in capacity.

I assume in this case the off-duty cop in question was using a Glock or a copy of it and emptied his entire magazine.

[The Holy Therns]

It's starting to get annoying when every time a black person is shot and killed by cops a protest spawns up.

This, here, this thing I quoted, this was a thing that was typed by somebody. This.

[The Real Fascist Austria]

just get rid of race from this issue. Cop shoots dude for no reason= BAD!

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

It's starting to get annoying when every time a black person is shot and killed by cops a protest spawns up.

This, here, this thing I quoted, this was a thing that was typed by somebody. This.

and your point is

[Laerod]

just get rid of race from this issue. Cop shoots dude for no reason= BAD!

The problem that America faces is that getting shot, arrested, or pulled over happens disproportionately to blacks. Race is most certainly a factor.

[Tekania]

You really trust the police version of the story?
Without any actual evidence shown?
Despite other witnesses saying otherwise?

Hmmmmmmm.

Relatives who were not there claiming he was not armed do not count as a "witness" to the event. Maybe a character witness.... but that's about it. If they were on the stand and said that their testimony would be struck as it would be speculation, rather than actual testimony.

[Organized States]

just get rid of race from this issue. Cop shoots dude for no reason= BAD!

Being shot at is a perfectly acceptable reason to return fire.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

just get rid of race from this issue. Cop shoots dude for no reason= BAD!

Massive protests don't spawn as easily, if at all, when an innocent person of another race is killed, however.

[Laerod]

This, here, this thing I quoted, this was a thing that was typed by somebody. This.

and your point is

Therns is flabbergasted because they don't understand that the real victims of blacks getting shot by cops are white people reading about it on the news.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

just get rid of race from this issue. Cop shoots dude for no reason= BAD!

The problem that America faces is that getting shot, arrested, or pulled over happens disproportionately to blacks. Race is most certainly a factor.

To quote myself:

Does racial profiling exist? YES it fucking does. Meaning that you're more likely to get stopped/ID'd/searched if you're black than if you're white for example. Now, implying that this = "shot for being blackkk!!!1111" or "all things being equal you're more likely to get shot if you're black" is a stinking pile of bullshit, and I wish the worst to anyone and everyone spreading it around. In lethal-force situations danger is perceived plainly as danger, not "is this kid black or white? oh he's black so I better shoot him lol" . The only reason more black individuals may be getting shot/killed by police than whites is that, because they are profiled they end up in those situations more often than them. It's not "whitey keepin us down", it's "we're fucking stupid and can't / don't want to handle interaction with cops civilly", for those blacks (or any person of any race for that matter) that are allegedly innocent yet end up getting shot by police.

EDIT: You don't fight racial profiling by giving police a real reason to use force on you.

[Organized States]

just get rid of race from this issue. Cop shoots dude for no reason= BAD!

The problem that America faces is that getting shot, arrested, or pulled over happens disproportionately to blacks. Race is most certainly a factor.

This is unfortunately true. There is a disconnect, and this occurs both ways.

There are areas in the American South were the racism can go, and often does go both ways, and often is perpetuated by both sides.

[Navorgska]

He had a sandwich, with cheese! He was innocent!

>really trusting protesters to not exaggerate the event
>really trusting black protesters this much
>trusting black people

Is this satire, or are you really that absurdly racist?

Are you really this absurdly gullible to not figure out a moderate to heavy portion of black people are a lower class in society and that racial tensions have caused them to do things like this all the time?

I guess we'll find out in the next episode of... Shut, It, Down!

[Kelinfort]

just get rid of race from this issue. Cop shoots dude for no reason= BAD!

Massive protests don't spawn as easily, if at all, when an innocent person of another race is killed, however.

Whites aren't shot at nor killed as much as African Americans. Plus, there is more legal recourse for the white community than for the black community.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

The police doesn't have as strong an interest, if any, to protect an off-duty cop for a multitude of reasons. For starters, the deed was simply not done while on their clock, which is legally and PR relevant. They would get zero direct benefits by covering up for an off-duty cop, and considering the fact that he was wearing a police uniform whilst off-duty, few indirect ones.

The Blue Code of Silence is real thing. It doesn't have to make logical sense for people to engage in it.

There's a huge difference between silence and planting evidence/framing someone.

[Wisconsin9]

Is this satire, or are you really that absurdly racist?

Are you really this absurdly gullible to not figure out a moderate to heavy portion of black people are a lower class in society and that racial tensions have caused them to do things like this all the time?

I guess we'll find out in the next episode of... Shut, It, Down!

I was referring to the bit where you apparently think that all black people are untrustworthy.

[Laerod]

EDIT: You don't fight racial profiling by giving police a real reason to use force on you.

You can't detach this case from the greater context. Even if the cop did everything right, we live in a world where American cops need to be treated as though they were potentially rabid animals or muggers.

[Organized States]

EDIT: You don't fight racial profiling by giving police a real reason to use force on you.

You can't detach this case from the greater context. Even if the cop did everything right, we live in a world where American cops need to be treated as though they were potentially rabid animals or muggers.

To be honest with you, let's just put everyone there in that category.

That's the way I run my life. I trust only about 4 or 5 people, that's it really.

[Laerod]

The Blue Code of Silence is real thing. It doesn't have to make logical sense for people to engage in it.

There's a huge difference between silence and planting evidence/framing someone.

Not the point, really. The code of silence protects those that do so because their comrades that won't engage in that kind of behavior per se are discouraged from reporting those that do.

[Laerod]

You can't detach this case from the greater context. Even if the cop did everything right, we live in a world where American cops need to be treated as though they were potentially rabid animals or muggers.

To be honest with you, let's just put everyone there in that category.

That's the way I run my life. I trust only about 4 or 5 people, that's it really.

Not everyone has the legal authority to bust you or carries guns. Hell, I don't live in the US and I don't have to treat cops this way, proving there's another way.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

EDIT: You don't fight racial profiling by giving police a real reason to use force on you.

You can't detach this case from the greater context. Even if the cop did everything right, we live in a world where American cops need to be treated as though they were potentially rabid animals or muggers.

Do we, or was this sarcasm?

It isn't about detaching certain cases from the greater context. It's about detaching "profiling" from "use of lethal force" which must be done by all means because it is reality. Until it can be proven that all things being equal a cop will kill a black mean deader than a white man, people making such statements can keep their unsubstantiated claims to themselves.

[Navorgska]

Are you really this absurdly gullible to not figure out a moderate to heavy portion of black people are a lower class in society and that racial tensions have caused them to do things like this all the time?

I guess we'll find out in the next episode of... Shut, It, Down!

I was referring to the bit where you apparently think that all black people are untrustworthy.

Not all, but pretty much 75% of them are untrustworthy. I can back this up since a part of my family are adopted African-Americans, and pretty much 3 out of 4 of them ended up becoming hooligans/jobless/thieves. They lived in a pretty upper-class white neighborhood also. However, like most African-Americans apparently, they lacked a strong traditional institution to guide them.

This is a pretty common pattern.