Feminism & The War on Men

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Or an system of mass incarceration victimizes many innocent people along with a small amount of actually dangerous people who need to be isolated from society, and happens to do so more than men than women. A person raising awareness of the disparity to advocate the destruction of the prison industrial complex is one thing, but someone saying women should be victimized by it more is a misogynist.

Women are looked at more favorably by the justice system, that is a position of privilege. If attacking privilege is an attack on the privileged then the civil rights movement was racist.

You don't get the point of calling out privilege. I have white privilege in that a cop is less likely to gun me down because I'm white. Having cops being willing to murder more white people would not be justice.

[T Roosevelt]

Women should have free access to every field of labor which they wish to join, and when their work is as valuable as a man's it should be paid as highly.

[Des-Bal]

You don't get the point of calling out privilege. I have white privilege in that a cop is less likely to gun me down because I'm white. Having cops being willing to murder more white people would not be justice.

Arguing that a cop should be as likely to shoot a white suspect as a black suspect given the same scenario isn't the same as declaring that more white people should be murdered. You're presuming that the issue is treating one group poorly rather than treating one group with special consideration. Whether or not the system is unfair by it's structure rather than it's application is an argument for another thread but the fact of the matter is there is a disparity and the correction of that disparity would be fair.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Women are looked at more favorably by the justice system, that is a position of privilege. If attacking privilege is an attack on the privileged then the civil rights movement was racist.

You don't get the point of calling out privilege. I have white privilege in that a cop is less likely to gun me down because I'm white. Having cops being willing to murder more white people would not be justice.

Dylan. Taylor. You don't hear about white men being gunned down by police because it's grossly under-reported. Check your privilege.

[Des-Bal]

Women should have free access to every field of labor which they wish to join, and when their work is as valuable as a man's it should be paid as highly.

In most instances that's the case. A pessimistic look at all of the factors puts the pay gap being the result of discrimination at about 5% and that's still iffy.

[Fanosolia]

You don't get the point of calling out privilege. I have white privilege in that a cop is less likely to gun me down because I'm white. Having cops being willing to murder more white people would not be justice.

Dylan. Taylor. You don't hear about white men being gunned down by police because it's grossly under-reported. Check your privilege.

you know is white privilege just an american thing? Because I know police brutality has happened up here in the past, and both that i heard of was of white individuals. again only ones I heard about.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Dylan. Taylor. You don't hear about white men being gunned down by police because it's grossly under-reported. Check your privilege.

you know is white privilege just an american thing? Because I know police brutality has happened up here in the past, and both that i heard of was of white individuals. again only ones I heard about.

White privilege is a buzzword created by under qualified sociology professors and proliferated by tumblr users.

EDIT: To clarify it depends on your definition of privilege.

[Tahar Joblis]

1. You keep using that word (sociopathic), I don't think it means what you think it means.

I am using it with the (not unusual) definition of a lack of empathy, consideration, or conscience. Some people would instead characterize that as psychopathy.

2. Wouldn't your logic also make the racial civil rights movement sociopathic toward white people?

The racial civil rights movement has been accused of being narrowly a black interest movement. That accusation may even be true of a few groups within the movement, and has led to a differentiation between black supremacist groups and civil rights groups. We hesitate to even describe black separatists, black nationalists, and black supremacists as being racial civil rights groups. Those are viewed as being separate groups; and while MLK had as his goal integration, the Nation of Islam wanted more thorough separation.

With feminism, the most prominent mainstream feminists still consider violent hateful extremists as feminist.

Another major difference is that civil rights groups can and have fought against racism within minority communities. Another is that racial civil rights is an issue that is significantly larger than the spearheading group in the US; there are other minority racial groups, and those groups' interests sometimes conflict. Yet another major difference is that racial civil rights groups have emphasized the importance of togetherness with white people, and taken aim at the attitude of less-friendly minority members towards whites - while in feminism, a lot of rhetoric has gone the other way in terms of considering women's attitudes towards men as too friendly.

3. And MRA's sociopathic to women.

There may be some MRAs that are sociopathic towards women. The movement as of yet remains in its infancy, however, and it is too early to make a diagnosis of its survival, much less its adult nature.

4. Collective action to destroy the patriarchy helps men, for the billionth fucking time.

What patriarchy? If by "patriarchy," you mean "enforced gender binary roles," then yes, loosening all of those would help men; but feminists are not doing anything to loosen the strictures of the male gender role. If anything, the opposite is true.

[T Roosevelt]

Women should have free access to every field of labor which they wish to join, and when their work is as valuable as a man's it should be paid as highly.

In most instances that's the case. A pessimistic look at all of the factors puts the pay gap being the result of discrimination at about 5% and that's still iffy.

Their access to their field of labor isn't free in the United States of America.

[Fanosolia]

you know is white privilege just an american thing? Because I know police brutality has happened up here in the past, and both that i heard of was of white individuals. again only ones I heard about.

White privilege is a buzzword created by under qualified sociology professors and proliferated by tumblr users.

EDIT: To clarify it depends on your definition of privilege.

oh thank god, because that was driving me crazy how people said it, but i didn't really see it in my life. Plus we're all human so favoring a skin, gender, or nationality makes no sense to me.

[Des-Bal]

you know is white privilege just an american thing? Because I know police brutality has happened up here in the past, and both that i heard of was of white individuals. again only ones I heard about.

Race relations are a hot topic in the United States particularly Black/White. You don't heavilly report a story that's not going to excite people so the news looks for a racial angle whenever possible. A few years back a white thug beat up a black car thief with a bat and it was treated as a hate crime, while the spectacle was going on a black man stabbed a white woman in what he termed an attempt to punish white people and stated that he targetted her because he wanted to kill a white woman. Even though the woman was killed and the car thief was not even permanently injured the second story was given next to no attention and the first story was subject to the full focus of the American media.

[Des-Bal]

Their access to their field of labor isn't free in the United States of America.

How so?

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

White privilege is a buzzword created by under qualified sociology professors and proliferated by tumblr users.

EDIT: To clarify it depends on your definition of privilege.

oh thank god, because that was driving me crazy how people said it, but i didn't really see it in my life. Plus we're all human so favoring a skin, gender, or nationality makes no sense to me.

I'm right there with you.

[Neutraligon]

1. You keep using that word (sociopathic), I don't think it means what you think it means.

I am using it with the (not unusual) definition of a lack of empathy, consideration, or conscience. Some people would instead characterize that as psychopathy.

2. Wouldn't your logic also make the racial civil rights movement sociopathic toward white people?

The racial civil rights movement has been accused of being narrowly a black interest movement. That accusation may even be true of a few groups within the movement, and has led to a differentiation between black supremacist groups and civil rights groups. We hesitate to even describe black separatists, black nationalists, and black supremacists as being racial civil rights groups. Those are viewed as being separate groups; and while MLK had as his goal integration, the Nation of Islam wanted more thorough separation.

With feminism, the most prominent mainstream feminists still consider violent hateful extremists as feminist.

Another major difference is that civil rights groups can and have fought against racism within minority communities. Another is that racial civil rights is an issue that is significantly larger than the spearheading group in the US; there are other minority racial groups, and those groups' interests sometimes conflict. Yet another major difference is that racial civil rights groups have emphasized the importance of togetherness with white people, and taken aim at the attitude of less-friendly minority members towards whites - while in feminism, a lot of rhetoric has gone the other way in terms of considering women's attitudes towards men as too friendly.

3. And MRA's sociopathic to women.

There may be some MRAs that are sociopathic towards women. The movement as of yet remains in its infancy, however, and it is too early to make a diagnosis of its survival, much less its adult nature.

4. Collective action to destroy the patriarchy helps men, for the billionth fucking time.

What patriarchy? If by "patriarchy," you mean "enforced gender binary roles," then yes, loosening all of those would help men; but feminists are not doing anything to loosen the strictures of the male gender role. If anything, the opposite is true.

Depends on the feminist I would think. I define my self as a feminist, and I think the best way to remove the inequalities as far as child custody and unfair treatment in the courtroom is to remove those gender roles. Since that also helps women, it is hitting two birds with 1 stone. I think that if we can get society to stop insisting men be macho men, and instead are able to integrate them so that things like stay at home dads are accepted we will see a shift in not only those cases (since men will now be seen as capable of taking and raising a child) it will also help to deal with things like the pay gap and inequalities in the workplace in both male and female dominated professions.

[T Roosevelt]

Their access to their field of labor isn't free in the United States of America.

How so?

Student debt isn't shielded by tax.

[Des-Bal]

Student debt isn't shielded by tax.

If you could lay out your position it would make this easier.

[Prezelly]

How so?

Student debt isn't shielded by tax.

What does this have to do with women and the workforce?

[Fanosolia]

you know is white privilege just an american thing? Because I know police brutality has happened up here in the past, and both that i heard of was of white individuals. again only ones I heard about.

Race relations are a hot topic in the United States particularly Black/White. You don't heavily report a story that's not going to excite people so the news looks for a racial angle whenever possible. A few years back a white thug beat up a black car thief with a bat and it was treated as a hate crime, while the spectacle was going on a black man stabbed a white woman in what he termed an attempt to punish white people and stated that he targeted her because he wanted to kill a white woman. Even though the woman was killed and the car thief was not even permanently injured the second story was given next to no attention and the first story was subject to the full focus of the American media.

The words, "The Actual Hell America?" come to mind.

[Neutraligon]

Race relations are a hot topic in the United States particularly Black/White. You don't heavilly report a story that's not going to excite people so the news looks for a racial angle whenever possible. A few years back a white thug beat up a black car thief with a bat and it was treated as a hate crime, while the spectacle was going on a black man stabbed a white woman in what he termed an attempt to punish white people and stated that he targetted her because he wanted to kill a white woman. Even though the woman was killed and the car thief was not even permanently injured the second story was given next to no attention and the first story was subject to the full focus of the American media.

The words, "The Actual Hell America," come to mind.

Race relations have always been, rather tense in the US. Our history makes certain news stories more likely to grab attention.

[Lyncanestria]

I'm sick of the “war on men” attitude.

Why can't we just go with what Emma Watson said? I'm always down for some more Emma Watson. And things she says.

Emma Watson is bae and everyone should just do what she says.

[T Roosevelt]

Student debt isn't shielded by tax.

What does this have to do with women and the workforce?

Women, like men are educated for the workforce and unrecompensed.

[Prezelly]

What does this have to do with women and the workforce?

Women are educated for the workforce.

And men aren't?

[Des-Bal]

Women are educated for the workforce.

Stop giving one sentence answers. Please lay out your position.

[T Roosevelt]

Women are educated for the workforce.

And men aren't?

Women, like men are educated for the workforce and unrecompensed; while student loan interest rates all but increase.

[New haven america]

Meh, not really a fan of feminism, I'm more of Equalism(Everyone getting equal rights).