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Bolsheviks
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Provisional Government
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Postby Mesrane » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:44 pm

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Mesrane wrote:Let's ignore the tens of millions of people Stalian killed in his thirty year reign, right?

I'm NOT saying the Tsars did not commit genocide and the like, but Stalian killed more people in thirty years than the Romanovs did in three hundred.

More like 9-11 million, most historians agree that the 20 million number is greatly inflated. And the vast majority of people saw their lives improve. People lived longer, and had better lives.

Oh my bad, 9-11 million, because that makes it soooooooo much better.

People lived longer (as long as they didn't speak out against the government, because then life expectancy was quite low), people had better lives (so long as they were yes men, and they would be content to have little or no personal property whatsoever in exchange for not having to go to Siberia). Might not be loads and loads worse than Tsarist Russia, but it sure as hell isn't better.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:46 pm

Menshivicks

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:46 pm

Mesrane wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:More like 9-11 million, most historians agree that the 20 million number is greatly inflated. And the vast majority of people saw their lives improve. People lived longer, and had better lives.

Oh my bad, 9-11 million, because that makes it soooooooo much better.

People lived longer (as long as they didn't speak out against the government, because then life expectancy was quite low), people had better lives (so long as they were yes men, and they would be content to have little or no personal property whatsoever in exchange for not having to go to Siberia). Might not be loads and loads worse than Tsarist Russia, but it sure as hell isn't better.

Given the long-term advantages it gave, like, you know, every subsequent generation enjoying a much better standard of living, then yeah, it was a lot better than staying in the hellish nightmare that Imperial Russia was for the Serfs.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:47 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:Menshivicks


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Postby Distruzio » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:47 pm

Most likely I'd have leaned towards the Mensheviks believing, as I do, that a healthy socialism requires a healthy capitalist economic system first.
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Postby Dejanic » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:47 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Dejanic wrote:Trotsky has already dealt with the rebel scum.

Now witness the firepower of this fully ARMED and OPERATIONAL Red Army.


...what? Most of those were still active until the 20s.

It was a joke, don't go all kronstadt on me.
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Postby Meryuma » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:48 pm

Makhno. I hope that's not cheating.

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:48 pm

Distruzio wrote:Most likely I'd have leaned towards the Mensheviks believing, as I do, that a healthy socialism requires a healthy capitalist economic system first.


...well, Lenin's "New Economic Policy" was just that.
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Postby Geanna » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:49 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:The Russian Revolution was a major turning point in history. You had the hardcore socialist Bolsheviks against the moderate socialists in the Provisional Government. They were both against the Tsar. Which side would you support? I would support the Tsar.


The more moderate were called the Mensheviks by the way.
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Postby Rhodisia » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:49 pm

Mensheviks.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:50 pm

Meryuma wrote:Makhno. I hope that's not cheating.


I supported Kronstadt, The Black Army and the Green Army...and the other SR Rebellions. So you're fine.
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Postby Kumuri » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:51 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:Bolsheviks, obviously. Why the hell would you support the Tsar? He was incompetent, and life under him was terrible, there was a literacy rate of around 20% in rural areas (12% for women), most were in poverty, and the life expectancy was terrible.

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Postby Distruzio » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:54 pm

Greater Beggnig wrote:Kerensky FTW.
But to be honest, he was a little useless. Arming the Bolsheviks to fight Kornilov was an idiotic move, but he couldn't rely on anyone else really, not that he could rely on the Bolsheviks.


Persuader-in-Chief, indeed. But he did the best he could.
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Postby Pandeeria » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:54 pm

I'm guessing this is in the perspective of someone living in that time?
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Postby Seraven » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:59 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:Bolsheviks, obviously. Why the hell would you support the Tsar? He was incompetent, and life under him was terrible, there was a literacy rate of around 20% in rural areas (12% for women), most were in poverty, and the life expectancy was terrible.


And...Bolsheviks, which is socialist, able to attract the attentions of the illiterates. With food, warm, education, and protection. Provisional government, while democracy, is still unstable and prone to corruption (mind you, it's democracy).

As for Tsar, he's sure going down.
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Postby Estado Nacional » Tue Oct 07, 2014 6:03 pm

The Tsar, probably.
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Postby Distruzio » Tue Oct 07, 2014 6:05 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Distruzio wrote:Most likely I'd have leaned towards the Mensheviks believing, as I do, that a healthy socialism requires a healthy capitalist economic system first.


...well, Lenin's "New Economic Policy" was just that.


True, indeed. But, assuming I were alive at the time, I wouldn't have known that was what would happen
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Postby Greater Weselton » Tue Oct 07, 2014 6:14 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:Bolsheviks, obviously. Why the hell would you support the Tsar? He was incompetent, and life under him was terrible, there was a literacy rate of around 20% in rural areas (12% for women), most were in poverty, and the life expectancy was terrible.

The Tsar was a good Christian man.
Pandeeria wrote:I'm guessing this is in the perspective of someone living in that time?

It could be either then or now.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Oct 07, 2014 6:16 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Bolsheviks, obviously. Why the hell would you support the Tsar? He was incompetent, and life under him was terrible, there was a literacy rate of around 20% in rural areas (12% for women), most were in poverty, and the life expectancy was terrible.

The Tsar was a good Christian man.
Pandeeria wrote:I'm guessing this is in the perspective of someone living in that time?

It could be either then or now.

The kind of "good Christian man" who starts massive wars which kill millions of people, then has his troops shoot down the protesters that rise because of it?
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Postby Greater Weselton » Tue Oct 07, 2014 6:19 pm

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Greater Weselton wrote:The Tsar was a good Christian man.
It could be either then or now.

The kind of "good Christian man" who starts massive wars which kill millions of people, then has his troops shoot down the protesters that rise because of it?

He was trying to save his country.
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Postby The balkens » Tue Oct 07, 2014 6:20 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:The kind of "good Christian man" who starts massive wars which kill millions of people, then has his troops shoot down the protesters that rise because of it?

He was trying to save his country.


that was in the shitter in the first place because of him and where did that get him?

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Postby Dejanic » Tue Oct 07, 2014 6:21 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:The kind of "good Christian man" who starts massive wars which kill millions of people, then has his troops shoot down the protesters that rise because of it?

He was trying to save his country.

By having peaceful protestors shot, protestors who lived in horrific living and working conditions and who barely earned a slice of bread a day.

No, he was trying to save himself.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Oct 07, 2014 6:22 pm

Mensheviks, no doubt. The Tsar was a monster, and the Bolsheviks were only marginally better.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Oct 07, 2014 6:22 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:The kind of "good Christian man" who starts massive wars which kill millions of people, then has his troops shoot down the protesters that rise because of it?

He was trying to save his country.

By going to war (and losing a war) with Japan, killing his people when they were against him, and then starting a war with Germany and Austria that cost the lives of millions of his people?
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