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Postby Chateau Chevalier » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:36 pm

Well, it's about time. Several western nations are closing their embassies in Yemen. The USA is supporting attacks on Yemeni sites associated with Al-Qaeda and profiling (restricting) all travellers from Saudi Arabia and Yemen.
I wonder what caused the US to act now? A sudden attack of sanity?
17 out of 19 of the 9/11/01 airline hijackers were Yemeni - the other 2 were Saudi.
Osama bin Laden was a Yemeni-Saudi although both nations have revolked his citizenship.
The US already attacked Afghanistan where some of the hijacker's trained (some of them also trained in Florida and Germany) and Iraq which had nothing to do with Al-Qaeda (Saddam Hussein was an enemy of Al-Qaeda).
Should the US finally attack Yemen? What about Saudi Arabia?
Discuss.

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:38 pm

The actions of the US in Yemen have been in the works for awhile, so we can assume its not because of the Christmas wanna be bomber.
Saudi Arabia is much more in control than Yemen is, which is incredibly poor, and has a much weaker central government. There won't be an attack of Yemen, expect a lot fo aid to their government to overcome their issues with terrorism, and more missile strikes, possibly bombings.
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Postby Arumdaum » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:51 pm

And I thought Yemen was safe since it didn't have oil. :(
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Postby Bavin » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:55 pm

Arumdaum wrote:And I thought Yemen was safe since it didn't have oil. :(

Neither did Afghanistan...
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Postby Allrule » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:55 pm

Osama bin Laden was a Yemeni-Saudi although both nations have revolked his citizenship.

So he's a citizen of...nowhere?
Wow. :blink:
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Postby Tergnitz » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:58 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:The actions of the US in Yemen have been in the works for awhile, so we can assume its not because of the Christmas wanna be bomber.
Saudi Arabia is much more in control than Yemen is, which is incredibly poor, and has a much weaker central government. There won't be an attack of Yemen, expect a lot fo aid to their government to overcome their issues with terrorism, and more missile strikes, possibly bombings.


Yeah, thats what I think is going to happen as well. The US should be watching Pakistan at the moment, not Yemen.

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Postby Sibirsky » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:59 pm

Chateau Chevalier wrote:Well, it's about time. Several western nations are closing their embassies in Yemen. The USA is supporting attacks on Yemeni sites associated with Al-Qaeda and profiling (restricting) all travellers from Saudi Arabia and Yemen.
I wonder what caused the US to act now? A sudden attack of sanity?
17 out of 19 of the 9/11/01 airline hijackers were Yemeni - the other 2 were Saudi.
Osama bin Laden was a Yemeni-Saudi although both nations have revolked his citizenship.
The US already attacked Afghanistan where some of the hijacker's trained (some of them also trained in Florida and Germany) and Iraq which had nothing to do with Al-Qaeda (Saddam Hussein was an enemy of Al-Qaeda).
Should the US finally attack Yemen? What about Saudi Arabia?
Discuss.


Fifteen of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, two from the United Arab Emirates, one from Egypt, and one from Lebanon.

No. The US should get the fuck out of the middle east and stay the fuck out. That will make it safer.
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Postby Sibirsky » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:00 am

Allrule wrote:
Osama bin Laden was a Yemeni-Saudi although both nations have revolked his citizenship.

So he's a citizen of...nowhere?
Wow. :blink:


I was a citizen of nowhere for almost 10 years.
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Postby Tergnitz » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:04 am

Sibirsky wrote:
Chateau Chevalier wrote:Well, it's about time. Several western nations are closing their embassies in Yemen. The USA is supporting attacks on Yemeni sites associated with Al-Qaeda and profiling (restricting) all travellers from Saudi Arabia and Yemen.
I wonder what caused the US to act now? A sudden attack of sanity?
17 out of 19 of the 9/11/01 airline hijackers were Yemeni - the other 2 were Saudi.
Osama bin Laden was a Yemeni-Saudi although both nations have revolked his citizenship.
The US already attacked Afghanistan where some of the hijacker's trained (some of them also trained in Florida and Germany) and Iraq which had nothing to do with Al-Qaeda (Saddam Hussein was an enemy of Al-Qaeda).
Should the US finally attack Yemen? What about Saudi Arabia?
Discuss.


Fifteen of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, two from the United Arab Emirates, one from Egypt, and one from Lebanon.

No. The US should get the fuck out of the middle east and stay the fuck out. That will make it safer.


Safer maybe, probably not, but maybe. You will have to say goodbye to your largest source of foreign oil supplies as China and India take them from you though.

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Postby South Lorenya » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:07 am

Allrule wrote:
Osama bin Laden was a Yemeni-Saudi although both nations have revolked his citizenship.

So he's a citizen of...nowhere?
Wow. :blink:


I'm sure that Supermax will offer him citizenship. XD
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Postby Sibirsky » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:08 am

Tergnitz wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:
Chateau Chevalier wrote:Well, it's about time. Several western nations are closing their embassies in Yemen. The USA is supporting attacks on Yemeni sites associated with Al-Qaeda and profiling (restricting) all travellers from Saudi Arabia and Yemen.
I wonder what caused the US to act now? A sudden attack of sanity?
17 out of 19 of the 9/11/01 airline hijackers were Yemeni - the other 2 were Saudi.
Osama bin Laden was a Yemeni-Saudi although both nations have revolked his citizenship.
The US already attacked Afghanistan where some of the hijacker's trained (some of them also trained in Florida and Germany) and Iraq which had nothing to do with Al-Qaeda (Saddam Hussein was an enemy of Al-Qaeda).
Should the US finally attack Yemen? What about Saudi Arabia?
Discuss.


Fifteen of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, two from the United Arab Emirates, one from Egypt, and one from Lebanon.

No. The US should get the fuck out of the middle east and stay the fuck out. That will make it safer.


Safer maybe, probably not, but maybe. You will have to say goodbye to your largest source of foreign oil supplies as China and India take them from you though.


During Dessert Storm, when we used Saudi Arabia and Kuwait as staging points, Osama bin Laden urged Saudi Arabia no to let is do it because "they will never leave". He was right. We have bases in Japan and Germany. The US government seems to have forgotten the fact that WWII has been over for almost 65 years. Meddling in other people's affairs does not make us safer. It makes us a target.
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Postby Tergnitz » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:19 am

Sibirsky wrote:
Tergnitz wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:
Chateau Chevalier wrote:Well, it's about time. Several western nations are closing their embassies in Yemen. The USA is supporting attacks on Yemeni sites associated with Al-Qaeda and profiling (restricting) all travellers from Saudi Arabia and Yemen.
I wonder what caused the US to act now? A sudden attack of sanity?
17 out of 19 of the 9/11/01 airline hijackers were Yemeni - the other 2 were Saudi.
Osama bin Laden was a Yemeni-Saudi although both nations have revolked his citizenship.
The US already attacked Afghanistan where some of the hijacker's trained (some of them also trained in Florida and Germany) and Iraq which had nothing to do with Al-Qaeda (Saddam Hussein was an enemy of Al-Qaeda).
Should the US finally attack Yemen? What about Saudi Arabia?
Discuss.


Fifteen of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, two from the United Arab Emirates, one from Egypt, and one from Lebanon.

No. The US should get the fuck out of the middle east and stay the fuck out. That will make it safer.


Safer maybe, probably not, but maybe. You will have to say goodbye to your largest source of foreign oil supplies as China and India take them from you though.


During Dessert Storm, when we used Saudi Arabia and Kuwait as staging points, Osama bin Laden urged Saudi Arabia no to let is do it because "they will never leave". He was right. We have bases in Japan and Germany. The US government seems to have forgotten the fact that WWII has been over for almost 65 years. Meddling in other people's affairs does not make us safer. It makes us a target.


I'm fairly sure that the US currently has no troops within the Kingdom, no idea about Kuwait. Yeah the US does have bases in Germany (roughly 60,000 troops), Japan (roughly 20,000 marines) and South Korea (roughly 30,000). But there are logical reasons behind all of these continued deployments. The deployment in Germany and Japan served to stabilise these countries after WW2 and then they were used as stages areas during the Cold War. South Korea's troops are to prevent any current aggression from the North. While these deployments may make the US a larger target, the world need's a global policeman and I'd personally prefer the US to fill this role rather than some other superpower, e.g China.

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Postby Zomerania » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:20 am

[/quote]
During Dessert Storm, when we used Saudi Arabia and Kuwait as staging points, Osama bin Laden urged Saudi Arabia no to let is do it because "they will never leave". He was right. We have bases in Japan and Germany. The US government seems to have forgotten the fact that WWII has been over for almost 65 years. Meddling in other people's affairs does not make us safer. It makes us a target.[/quote]
Yeah because no other powerful country in history has never got in other people's affairs before. :roll:

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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:39 am

I cannot see what is really going on in regards to the closure of embassies. The most likely fact is that they are very high targets for militant groups such as Al-Qaida. Honestly, Yemen is not to blame but their government needs to do something to contain the situation.

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Postby The Romulan Republic » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:41 am

Chateau Chevalier wrote:Well, it's about time. Several western nations are closing their embassies in Yemen. The USA is supporting attacks on Yemeni sites associated with Al-Qaeda and profiling (restricting) all travellers from Saudi Arabia and Yemen.


Hurray for good old bigotry, eh?

I wonder what caused the US to act now? A sudden attack of sanity?


More like a sudden attack of paranoia and an inability to learn from the results of its grossly disproportional and anti-democratic response to 911.

17 out of 19 of the 9/11/01 airline hijackers were Yemeni - the other 2 were Saudi.


Last I heard they were largely Saudis. I expect a source for the above claim, while I go look up one of my own.

Osama bin Laden was a Yemeni-Saudi although both nations have revolked his citizenship.


So what? We should hate all Saudis and Yemenis because one evil man happened to be born a citizen? Even though by your own admission they revoked his citizenship?

Should the US finally attack Yemen? What about Saudi Arabia?
Discuss.


Attack with what? From what asshole do you suggest Obama pull a spare army and the money to pay for such a war? Or would you just nuke Yemen?

And on what possible justification would you launch such an attack? The Yemeni government aren't on Al Quaida's side. What do you want to do, make sure every last Yemeni who isn't against us decides to join Al Quaida? Should we attack every nation that happens to have a few terrorists living there?

What you are suggesting would involve even faster rising deficits, almost certainly a draft, and maybe an economic collapse. Think about that next time before you open your mouth.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:49 am

Regarding the nationality of the 911 Highjackers:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002/02/06/saudi.htm

In summary, 15 were Saudis.
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Postby Rolamec » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:49 am

Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb....Yemen? Not as catchy.
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Postby Gen Italia » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:50 am

Hmmm... sounds like the Romulans are Americans who assume the rest of the world are also Americans....

Wars are geneally an ecomonic boost... of course the Americans privitized war and are getting what they deserve. All empires fall.

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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:54 am

Bavin wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:And I thought Yemen was safe since it didn't have oil. :(

Neither did Afghanistan...


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Postby The Kropotkinite Union » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:54 am

Charlotte Ryberg wrote:I cannot see what is really going on in regards to the closure of embassies. The most likely fact is that they are very high targets for militant groups such as Al-Qaida. Honestly, Yemen is not to blame but their government needs to do something to contain the situation.


How? Yemen hardly even has a functioning government. They're poor as fuck, and they've got no resources to spend on containing this, or any other, situation.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:22 am

Gen Italia wrote:Hmmm... sounds like the Romulans are Americans who assume the rest of the world are also Americans....


Presuming that was a shot at me, where did you get that idea from?

Wars are geneally an ecomonic boost... of course the Americans privitized war and are getting what they deserve. All empires fall.


Still not going to help the deficit, nor have you explained where Obama's going to get the troops from.

Also, I must take offense to the idea that Americans in general are "getting what they deserve." Attacks on all Americans for the policies of some hardly seem fair.
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Postby Cameroi » Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:34 am

eee yah. lets see how many more fronts we can fight on at the same time.
historically, when other nations have tried that,
it hasn't proven to be the best choice of policy they could possibly have made.

i ain't makin no predictions, but it will be interesting to see.

where is the wild hair up our (america) government's ass coming from to try this is what i'd like to know.
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Postby North Avayu » Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:04 am

I'm pretty sure that the USA will not invade Yemen. They are already outstretched by two wars which proofed to be rather ineffective. A third war would make no sense.
What will happen is that the US government will continue the support for the Yemen government with funding and probably with military advisers. It will probably also use the chance to smoke out some terrorist nests.

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Postby South Lorenya » Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:07 am

For the record, they reopened the embassy.
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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:10 am

South Lorenya wrote:For the record, they reopened the embassy.

Good. Closing the embassies like that was an act of cowardice that could only enocurage terrorism.
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