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Postby Inolena » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:17 pm

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Inolena wrote:Not by much if there are differences.

There is a HUGE difference. :eyebrow: Are you kidding me??? You simply musn't be well read on corporatism.

Not well read, just dismissive.

Still sticking with meritocracy as a form of economics. Capitalism is big dog eat small dog. [insert corporatism here because I'm uber dismissive and hey at least I'm bloody honest about it]. Meritocracy is a true dog eat dog world. Weeds out entitlement and incompetent ones nicely.

But lines have to be drawn, and meritocracy shall not equate to the filth that is social darwinism.
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Postby Benuty » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:18 pm

Macedom wrote:
Vazdaria wrote:Oh so you advocate for their death then?


only if they choose to continue to follow their "gods"

Benuty wrote:Your opinion is that of a person not based in reality.


source?

You are advocating for the genocide of billions enough said on your opinions mental being.
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Divergia wrote:First: Outlaw Lawns, and encourage gardening, I highly doubt one could hide a lawn, so I argue its feasible with society's support.

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Postby Benuty » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:19 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:
Othelos wrote:1. please explain how that would help society.
2. Please explain how threatening to kill someone will cause them to genuinely believe in god(s).

1: It would instill good morals in the people, unite millions of people, give the world a higher calling and it would shut down many of the abhorrent beliefs that infest the modern world.

2: It is basic survival mechanism, similar to Stockholm syndrome. Even those that don't end up believing while be forced to attend church, and their children would be taught religion in school as fact. All of those things will lead to a much more religious population.

The religious already dominate the world no need to gloat over it.
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Postby Abyssiniana » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:19 pm

Arrestar wrote:
Wow, great to see that someone thinks we're on par with bees and lions.

Queen bees are necessary to BEES because they actually ARE inherently different. That's just how bees function. 1 Mother Bee +Workers and Soldiers, etc.

I would have thought that we had evolved enough to understand that all humans are 'equal' (for example, no mother bee). Monarchs are only made so by those early political disputes, (and probably other things, I forget.)

Their education is inherently better (education everyone should recieve, I might add) because of idiots like you that blindly follow archaic ways. Nothing special about their blood.

There is no evidence showing that all humans are equal to each other. Other then the fact their human,the similarities ends there. Some are more evolve then others, each race has different genetic traits and skulls. So your socialist egalitarianism myth is nothing more then that. As for monarchs, we humans are forever drawn to the heroic charismatic cult, which is the royal families that founded the empires that last for hundreds some times a thousand years and lead people to greatness. For me the greatest Empire for my race, (that I wish to restore) is the Ethiopian Empire, for you as a White man is the Roman Empire. There already republican leader cults, so I do not see wrong with monarch worship, I also think your view of monarchies being wrong because "nothing special about their blood' excuse is lazy and stupid.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:19 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:1: It would instill good morals in the people, unite millions of people, give the world a higher calling and it would shut down many of the abhorrent beliefs that infest the modern world.

2: It is basic survival mechanism, similar to Stockholm syndrome. Even those that don't end up believing while be forced to attend church, and their children would be taught religion in school as fact. All of those things will lead to a much more religious population.

Good morals? Pilate saith, "What is truth?" Your morals are not mine. What you see as good, I don't. I have a higher calling; several, in fact.
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Postby Othelos » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:21 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:
Othelos wrote:1. please explain how that would help society.
2. Please explain how threatening to kill someone will cause them to genuinely believe in god(s).

1: It would instill good morals in the people, unite millions of people, give the world a higher calling and it would shut down many of the abhorrent beliefs that infest the modern world.

2: It is basic survival mechanism, similar to Stockholm syndrome. Even those that don't end up believing while be forced to attend church, and their children would be taught religion in school as fact. All of those things will lead to a much more religious population.

1. I fail to see how mass genocide would instill good morals. It would also cause major divisions between the few people supporting the policy and the vast majority of people finding the idea abhorrent. It would shut down society completely, which is -obviously- not a good thing.

2. Or, it will lead to a resentful population, since they are being forced to do things against their will.
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Postby Allentyr » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:25 pm

Abyssiniana wrote:
Arrestar wrote:
Wow, great to see that someone thinks we're on par with bees and lions.

Queen bees are necessary to BEES because they actually ARE inherently different. That's just how bees function. 1 Mother Bee +Workers and Soldiers, etc.

I would have thought that we had evolved enough to understand that all humans are 'equal' (for example, no mother bee). Monarchs are only made so by those early political disputes, (and probably other things, I forget.)

Their education is inherently better (education everyone should recieve, I might add) because of idiots like you that blindly follow archaic ways. Nothing special about their blood.

There is no evidence showing that all humans are equal to each other. Other then the fact their human,the similarities ends there. Some are more evolve then others, each race has different genetic traits and skulls. So your socialist egalitarianism myth is nothing more then that. As for monarchs, we humans are forever drawn to the heroic charismatic cult, which is the royal families that founded the empires that last for hundreds some times a thousand years and lead people to greatness. For me the greatest Empire for my race, (that I wish to restore) is the Ethiopian Empire, for you as a White man is the Roman Empire. There already republican leader cults, so I do not see wrong with monarch worship, I also think your view of monarchies being wrong because "nothing special about their blood' excuse is lazy and stupid.


So, what IS special about the blood of royalty? I see the same red and white cells.... I see they have A, B, AB, O.....
I see nothing special. here.

People see monarchies as wrong, because if said monarch was born into it, he/she has done absolutely nothing to earn that power beside be the child of royal blood. Democracies work better anyway, because people actually want that person to be in power, instead of being forced to like it.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:25 pm

Allentyr wrote:So, what IS special about the blood of royalty? I see the same red and white cells.... I see they have A, B, AB, O.....
I see nothing special. here.

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Postby Macedom » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:25 pm

Benuty wrote:
Macedom wrote:
only if they choose to continue to follow their "gods"



source?

You are advocating for the genocide of billions enough said on your opinions mental being.


no i gave them a choice either stop follow your 'gods' or suffer the consequences it not my fault if they choose the later
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Postby Benuty » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:26 pm

Macedom wrote:
Benuty wrote:You are advocating for the genocide of billions enough said on your opinions mental being.


no i gave them a choice either stop follow your 'gods' or suffer the consequences it not my fault if they choose the later

The very nature of your post fits with that of clinical psychosis.
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Postby NERVUN » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:27 pm

Macedom wrote:
Benuty wrote:You are advocating for the genocide of billions enough said on your opinions mental being.


no i gave them a choice either stop follow your 'gods' or suffer the consequences it not my fault if they choose the later

I'm not giving you one. Stop with the genocide talk.
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Postby Othelos » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:27 pm

Macedom wrote:
Benuty wrote:You are advocating for the genocide of billions enough said on your opinions mental being.


no i gave them a choice either stop follow your 'gods' or suffer the consequences it not my fault if they choose the later

and of course that's a stupid af idea.
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Postby Macedom » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:30 pm

Benuty wrote:
Macedom wrote:
no i gave them a choice either stop follow your 'gods' or suffer the consequences it not my fault if they choose the later

The very nature of your post fits with that of clinical psychosis.


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Postby Inolena » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:31 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Allentyr wrote:So, what IS special about the blood of royalty? I see the same red and white cells.... I see they have A, B, AB, O.....
I see nothing special. here.

Higher rates of hemophilia.

I'M BLEEEEEDING

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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:31 pm

Macedom wrote:says a religious person

How about an irreligious person saying as much? Really, this is getting ridiculous.
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Postby Othelos » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:33 pm

Macedom wrote:
Benuty wrote:The very nature of your post fits with that of clinical psychosis.


says a religious person

no, you seem pretty divorced from reality. this is from an irreligious person.
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Postby Macedom » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:33 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Macedom wrote:says a religious person

How about an irreligious person saying as much? Really, this is getting ridiculous.


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Postby Arrestar » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:38 pm

Abyssiniana wrote:
Othelos wrote:No, most humans accept inequality, but we aren't blind servants to nature.

But we are apart of nature, we are animals by nature, we are born from the dust as God made us from. We are of the world, therefore we act as God and nature intended for us, sinful and violent. Equality is lie, your left eye is different from your right eye, nature is unequal, it prefer strong people and weeds out the weak. So we are slaves to our desires and instants, therefore we are servants to nature, it takes a devout religious monk, or ubermensch, to surpass their instants and nature.


That is your own limitation! I prefer to not be a slave, but to evolve past my programmed instincts.

Also, you don't have to be religious whatsoever. Anyone is able to do it, provided they have the willpower and intelligence.

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Postby Arrestar » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:51 pm

Abyssiniana wrote:
Arrestar wrote:
Wow, great to see that someone thinks we're on par with bees and lions.

Queen bees are necessary to BEES because they actually ARE inherently different. That's just how bees function. 1 Mother Bee +Workers and Soldiers, etc.

I would have thought that we had evolved enough to understand that all humans are 'equal' (for example, no mother bee). Monarchs are only made so by those early political disputes, (and probably other things, I forget.)

Their education is inherently better (education everyone should recieve, I might add) because of idiots like you that blindly follow archaic ways. Nothing special about their blood.

1.There is no evidence showing that all humans are equal to each other. Other then the fact their human,the similarities ends there. Some are more evolve then others, each race has different genetic traits and skulls. So your socialist egalitarianism myth is nothing more then that. As for monarchs, 2.we humans are forever drawn to the heroic charismatic cult, which is the royal families that founded the empires that last for hundreds some times a thousand years and 3.lead people to greatness. 4.For me the greatest Empire for my race, (that I wish to restore) is the Ethiopian Empire, 5.for you as a White man is the Roman Empire. 6.There already republican leader cults, so I do not see wrong with monarch worship, 7.I also think your view of monarchies being wrong because "nothing special about their blood' excuse is lazy and stupid.


1.We actually aren't all equal, true, which is painfully obvious.

However, the ideal society would be in a world where everyone is equal. It is generally accepted by modern countries that 'all men are created equal' (that's not literal)
Some are tall, some are short, some are fast, some are smart. However, "All men are created equal" is the result of the evolution of government, the structure of human society.
Here's a good quote, "What is better- to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" (For example, that inequality of nature.)

Yes, -we're not all equal-, However, our society has evolved enough to a point where it is accepted that everyone is equal.

2. No. That's your opinion. You can't say 'we humans' as if we all do that.

3. Or didn't? because most of those great empires had slavery and a ton of other bad stuff.

4. Literally make me want to punch you with this statement. 'Restore your race'? WE'RE ALL HUMAN. If anything, you should work towards improving every human's lives, not just people of your ethnicity . Discrimination by race and or gender only produce hatred for people you've never met. To divide our race further like that is the epitome of stupidity.

5. I and most likely a majority of 'white men' don't want to restore anything of the sort. Also, I disagree with terms like 'white men' in the first place. As stated in #4, we're all human.

6. Can't say I understand what you're trying to get at here. (Explanation?)

7. Lazy and stupid? Could you go into depth as to how it is lazy and stupid? There is nothing royal about anyone's blood except for the misconceptions of idiots like you who actually believe such stupid ideas.

In Conclusion: No.
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Postby Othelos » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:55 pm

Abyssiniana wrote:
Arrestar wrote:
Wow, great to see that someone thinks we're on par with bees and lions.

Queen bees are necessary to BEES because they actually ARE inherently different. That's just how bees function. 1 Mother Bee +Workers and Soldiers, etc.

I would have thought that we had evolved enough to understand that all humans are 'equal' (for example, no mother bee). Monarchs are only made so by those early political disputes, (and probably other things, I forget.)

Their education is inherently better (education everyone should recieve, I might add) because of idiots like you that blindly follow archaic ways. Nothing special about their blood.

There is no evidence showing that all humans are equal to each other. Other then the fact their human,the similarities ends there. Some are more evolve then others, each race has different genetic traits and skulls. So your socialist egalitarianism myth is nothing more then that. As for monarchs, we humans are forever drawn to the heroic charismatic cult, which is the royal families that founded the empires that last for hundreds some times a thousand years and lead people to greatness. For me the greatest Empire for my race, (that I wish to restore) is the Ethiopian Empire, for you as a White man is the Roman Empire. There already republican leader cults, so I do not see wrong with monarch worship, I also think your view of monarchies being wrong because "nothing special about their blood' excuse is lazy and stupid.

that's silly, considering that their blood isn't objectively any better.
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Postby Abyssiniana » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:56 pm

Allentyr wrote:
So, what IS special about the blood of royalty? I see the same red and white cells.... I see they have A, B, AB, O.....
I see nothing special. here.

People see monarchies as wrong, because if said monarch was born into it, he/she has done absolutely nothing to earn that power beside be the child of royal blood. Democracies work better anyway, because people actually want that person to be in power, instead of being forced to like it.


Should you say the same to inheritance of property or corporations. Democracies is lazy,corrupt,decadent and the very idea mob rule is stupid. An organized elite will always triumph over a disorganized majority.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:58 pm

Abyssiniana wrote:Should you say the same to inheritance of property or corporations. Democracies is lazy,corrupt,decadent and the very idea mob rule is stupid. An organized elite will always triumph over a disorganized majority.
The child will earn that the right to rule as an monarch, after years of tutoring and how he exercise the power.

Is that so? Is that why democracy has enjoyed such success? Because it lost against an organized elite?
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Postby Vermandois » Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:00 pm

Educate the new born generation to be an improved society. How hard can that be?(Probably really hard)

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Postby Othelos » Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:01 pm

Abyssiniana wrote:
Allentyr wrote:
So, what IS special about the blood of royalty? I see the same red and white cells.... I see they have A, B, AB, O.....
I see nothing special. here.

People see monarchies as wrong, because if said monarch was born into it, he/she has done absolutely nothing to earn that power beside be the child of royal blood. Democracies work better anyway, because people actually want that person to be in power, instead of being forced to like it.


Should you say the same to inheritance of property or corporations. Democracies is lazy,corrupt,decadent and the very idea mob rule is stupid. An organized elite will always triumph over a disorganized majority.
The child will earn that the right to rule as an monarch, after years of tutoring and how he exercise the power.

which is why absolute monarchies are on the rise, amirite
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