Kurdish Independence

[Naedor]

With the chaos in Syria and Iraq over the rise of the Islamic States, the Kurdish populations have banded together to protect themselves and expand their influence. Syrian Kurds are in conflict with the Syrian government, and the Iraqi Kurds say they will have an independence referendum "within a few months."
So, what are your thoughts on an independent Kurdistan and do you think it is likely?

I personally would welcome an independent Kurdish state formed from Kurdish territory in Syria and Iraq, as long as it remained a state for the Kurds and not a western client state. The Syrian and Iraqi governments are not in a position of power to stop them, and as enemies of the Islamic State, the United States and the west would logically support Kurdistan, so I believe it is quite likely.

[Naxalistan]

My guess is at the very least Iraqi Kurdistan will become independent; they already have a kind of de-facto independence.

I would support a free Kurdistan.

[Terra Sector Union]

I don't support independence but I wouldn't mind a Greater Kurdistan that consists of Iraq and Syria. The Kurds sound like decent people in the Middle East.

[Al Nahar]

I dont support an independent Kurdistan, but with the current situation and the Arab world in ruins, let the Kurds have their own country. That will be one less problem for us.

[Herrebrugh]

Go independent Kurdistan!

If there's one people that deserves it, it's the Kurds.

[Naxalistan]

I don't support independence but I wouldn't mind a Greater Kurdistan that consists of Iraq and Syria.

There's no way an ethnic minority is going to rule over all of that territory; and as we've seen repeatedly in the Middle East, minority rule is disastrous.

[Risottia]

I don't support independence but I wouldn't mind a Greater Kurdistan that consists of Iraq and Syria.

There's no way an ethnic minority is going to rule over all of that territory;

Also, I don't think the Kurds give a major fuck about ruling the whole of Iraq and Syria.

[Baltenstein]

Give them independence, Iraq, Syria and Turkey have proven that they are neither capable nor deserving of ruling over Kurdistan.

[New Catalonia]

I've long supported Kurdish independence and under this recent ISIL uprising, they've certainly proven themselves able to go it alone (something Iraq routinely claims Kurdistan could not do). Whilst Iraq flittered paralyzed and screaming for US help, the Kurdish peshmerga got with holding ISIL at bay.

But Iraq -and the nations that pay for its puppet government to stand- need oil wealth, so Kurdistan will never be...

[Pagan Hungary]

Saladin 2.0, 2014, make it happen. I'm sure the Kurds would prove to have more of a stable nation than what we're used to in the Middle East, why not.

[Saiwania]

There's no way an ethnic minority is going to rule over all of that territory; and as we've seen repeatedly in the Middle East, minority rule is disastrous.

The Kurds are the ethnic majority in the areas in question, which will probably formally break off from Syria and Iraq to form an independent Kurdistan. Neither of these countries which are in a state of civil war, currently have the necessary force to keep those areas from separating like Turkey or Iran would for their Kurdish areas.

[Iraq and Levant]

HA! i will be defeated!

[Opplandia]

I would sure support a free end indepndant Kurdistan. though ist not very likly that they get much support there in middle east; but maybe some people will listen to them, now that they fight IS.

[Tanoshiiye]

Obama would do more to fund the Peshmerga, rather than fund some non-existent "moderate Syrian rebels".

Back to the OP, I support the independence of a people stripped of their freedom for decades.

[Ereria]

I don't think they should rule over kurdish terrorities over Syria, but Iraq is of course ok with me. Syrian civil war will end, and the Syrians will want their country back. Europeans and Americans is master at setting up future disasters. Just like how they just made their own borders in middle east after ww1 and 2...

[Connori Pilgrims]

I don't think they should rule over kurdish terrorities over Syria, but Iraq is of course ok with me. Syrian civil war will end, and the Syrians will want their country back. Europeans and Americans is master at setting up future disasters. Just like how they just made their own borders in middle east after ww1 and 2...

1.) Regardless of how the Syrian Civil War ends, the Syria as we know it is already gone. Bashir Al-Assad even if survives will not have the power to take Syrian Kurdistan back, and his Russian backers will likely not do much to lift a finger for him on that regard (his regime's survival is the more critical imperative than the integrity of Syria). The only one that might help his is Iran, but getting Kurdistan on their good side may prove more useful in containing or managing their own Kurdish pressures than aiding Assad (it will be certainly cheaper).

2.) Syria and Iraq themselves are the products of those mistakes in WWI & WWII. Replacing them with new states that are more attuned to the people living in them would be a corrective measure in that regard. A painful and violent one, but better now than delaying it further and thus extending the bad blood.

So yes, on that regard I do support the existence of a Kurdish State composed of at least Syrian and Iraqi Kurdistan.

[CTALNH]

There's no way an ethnic minority is going to rule over all of that territory;

Also, I don't think the Kurds give a major fuck about ruling the whole of Iraq and Syria.

I also don't think their fighting the Syrian Government because their fighting you know with them against the ISIS and FSA.

[Nortrom]

There is probably going to be a Kurdish state comprised of Iraqi territories in the future. Ideally, Kurdistan should also include some areas in eastern Turkey. Turkey has the most Kurds (~10 million) and they almost entirely live in the far east but I can't see how they will be able to gain independence from Turkey.

[CTALNH]

There is probably going to be a Kurdish state comprised of Iraqi territories in the future. Ideally, Kurdistan should also include some areas in eastern Turkey. Turkey has the most Kurds (~10 million) and they almost entirely live in the far east but I can't see how they will be able to gain independence from Turkey.

War?

Or peaceful secession....

Choose your poison.

[Ragnarokee]

I'm surprised that this thread only has 19 replies..

[Nortrom]

There is probably going to be a Kurdish state comprised of Iraqi territories in the future. Ideally, Kurdistan should also include some areas in eastern Turkey. Turkey has the most Kurds (~10 million) and they almost entirely live in the far east but I can't see how they will be able to gain independence from Turkey.

War?

Or peaceful secession....

Choose your poison.

A third option would be emigration from Turkey to the newly formed Kurdistan. My guess is that, if formed, Kurdistan will remain incomplete for a very long time if not forever.

[Asigna]

Give them independence, Iraq, Syria and Turkey have proven that they are neither capable nor deserving of ruling over Kurdistan.

Getting back at this. Iraqi Kurdistan is the most politically stable, peaceful, economically stable region in Iraq during the Iraq war. GDP per capita is twice that of the average Iraqi.

Have that kind of successful government run the Syrian Kurdistan then there will be one greater and more powerful Kurdistan.

[CTALNH]

War?

Or peaceful secession....

Choose your poison.

A third option would be emigration from Turkey to the newly formed Kurdistan. My guess is that, if formed, Kurdistan will remain incomplete for a very long time if not forever.

Who the fuck thinks like this?

That like saying when greece was former in 1830 all greeks should have emigrated to our new nation....

Fuck that its conquest time.

[Romalae]

I'm definitely a supporter. If there's any group out there that certainly deserves an independent state, it's the Kurds.

[Greater-London]

I think the Kurds should be an independent state, and Iraqi Kurdistan at least seems to have the semblance of stability and democracy. However I think new countries emerging in the Middle East is probably going to bring even more disruption to the region which we obviously could do without right now.

However I think if the Kurds are serious about independence now is probably the time to grasp it, I'm assuming it wont be offered to them in the future.