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Postby Alexanda » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:26 pm

You are being rather racist, and you are generalizing.
Black people have committed crimes in the past, as have white people. You yourself are posing a problem to society: You 'do not like' white people because of their past. How can one improve the future when one judges others by things their ancestors have done?
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Postby Alliir » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:27 pm

Alexanda wrote:You are being rather racist, and you are generalizing.
Black people have committed crimes in the past, as have white people. You yourself are posing a problem to society: You 'do not like' white people because of their past. How can one improve the future when one judges others by things their ancestors have done?
Patriotism is good. Racism is not.


Read the OP again.
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Postby Flyover » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:27 pm

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Flyover wrote:This isn't even debatable. It is objective fact that no race is worse than any other race inherently, and basing ridiculous beliefs off of of personal or historic incidents is intellectually lazy and despicable at best, or downright moronic and pathetic at worst.


Read the OP.


I read the OP before you changed it. Since this thread then has no purpose (protesting against bias mods? This is probably the worst way to do that.), why not just shut it down and make a thread that addresses your complaint in a more rational way?

How could we possibly have been expected to know you weren't being serious if we didn't read the part of the thread you believe is an issue, or know your race?
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Postby Alliir » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:28 pm

Flyover wrote:
Alliir wrote:
Read the OP.


I read the OP before you changed it. Since this thread then has no purpose (protesting against bias mods? This is probably the worst way to do that.), why not just shut it down and make a thread that addresses your complaint in a more rational way?


I tried. In moderation. I was overlooked. Hence this.
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Postby Port Victor » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:29 pm

Alliir wrote:
Flyover wrote:
I read the OP before you changed it. Since this thread then has no purpose (protesting against bias mods? This is probably the worst way to do that.), why not just shut it down and make a thread that addresses your complaint in a more rational way?


I tried. In moderation. I was overlooked. Hence this.


What does race have to do with religion?

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Postby Gairvuu » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:30 pm

Anyone of any race, ethnicity or background can be racist against any race ethnicity or background. White history is not a useful concept, neither is black history, at least in my mind because both groups are so diverse in many ways lumping them together makes no sense. I have a strong disliking towards anyone who identifes as "black" or "white" or anyother adjective based on colour/ethnicity because I believe that if you think your defining feature or trait is something that not only barely affects you, as a person, but is something you cannot change at all, then you are not a very interesting person. Added onto this, anyone who apologises for things people of their colour has done with little other connection are moronic. Very few White people, in the scheme of things, owned slaves, even less so in Europe, it simply wasn't as widespread as people claim. I have more to say, but I'm on a phobe with a dying battery, so I'll return tomorrow.
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Postby Hanchu » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:30 pm

Port Victor wrote:
Alliir wrote:
I tried. In moderation. I was overlooked. Hence this.


What does race have to do with religion?

That what the op is about.

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Postby Alliir » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:30 pm

Port Victor wrote:
Alliir wrote:
I tried. In moderation. I was overlooked. Hence this.


What does race have to do with religion?


I was copying the offensive thread in question, replacing "Theist" and "Atheist" with "Black" and "White".
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Postby Flyover » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:31 pm

Alliir wrote:
Port Victor wrote:
What does race have to do with religion?


I was copying the offensive thread in question, replacing "Theist" and "Atheist" with "Black" and "White".


Why not argue against that claim that religion is bad in a calm headed way that doesn't offend people, instead of going out of your way to be offensive on purpose? It makes no sense.
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Postby Dejanic » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:32 pm

Sure, racism is a primitive and backwards way of thinking. The sooner "races" die out the better, and I'm pretty happy to hopefully be contributing to this.
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Postby Port Victor » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:32 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Port Victor wrote:
1.There was In fact a Islamic Empire. It started in the 7th Century with Muhammad himself. It at one point stretched from Spain, as in, the country of Spain; to India. Evenly it broke up and was offically made over, by historians, until 1800"s with the Ottoman Empire.

2. I was not solely blaming the Portuguese, they just happen to be much of the first to arrive and did play a large part in the Slave Trade.

3. None of the Africa conflicts were Nearly as bloody as the conflicts in Europe.

4. Colonization of Africa, is probably the worst act that the Caucasian Europeans ever did. They completely he humanized the entire continent in a happy cheery meeting. They divided land and people that they had no right to do. And in truth that is what has cause much of Africa's problems today.


Dude I as an African agree with you completely but 50 years of independence in Kenya and we still hearing the same shit.


Well that has to do with bad luck, and the years that Kenya was raped of resources, people, economy. Also Kenya lacks the industry and place of importance, no offense, that let nations such as Germany, recover from devastation and horrible economy etc.

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Postby Alliir » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:33 pm

Flyover wrote:
Alliir wrote:
I was copying the offensive thread in question, replacing "Theist" and "Atheist" with "Black" and "White".


Why not argue against that claim in a calm headed way that doesn't offend people, instead of going out of your way to be offensive on purpose? It makes no sense.


I tried, once again.
I put in moderation the report. They overlooked me. Thus, I went with the last remaining choice; Offend as many people as possible in order to gain the mod's attention. I expected to get banned, but at the very least I was hoping that they would rethink their decision.
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Postby Atelia » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:33 pm

In this day and age I'm surprised to hear this question.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:33 pm

Port Victor wrote:1.There was In fact a Islamic Empire. It started in the 7th Century with Muhammad himself. It at one point stretched from Spain, as in, the country of Spain; to India. Evenly it broke up and was offically made over, by historians, until 1800"s with the Ottoman Empire.

The Ummayyad Caliphate split after like a century. After that it was splinter, splinter, splinter, and it never made it past North Africa in any case.
2. I was not solely blaming the Portuguese, they just happen to be much of the first to arrive and did play a large part in the Slave Trade.

They profited from the early slave trade. As historical movers, they were basically nothing. Middlemen who were shoved out after a few years of lining their pockets with minor competition and cooperation from the Spanish.
3. None of the Africa conflicts were Nearly as bloody as the conflicts in Europe.

This sort of false hagiography not only dehumanizes Africans of past ages, but obscures the historical power and majesty of Africa.
4. Colonization of Africa, is probably the worst act that the Caucasian Europeans ever did. They completely he humanized the entire continent in a happy cheery meeting. They divided land and people that they had no right to do. And in truth that is what has cause much of Africa's problems today.

That's actually something I agree with you on.
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Postby Sacarap » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:33 pm

Woe woe.

Your not black? But you said so... The OP was racist, then blaming all whites to be. Mmmk.

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Postby Port Victor » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:35 pm

Alliir wrote:
Port Victor wrote:
What does race have to do with religion?


I was copying the offensive thread in question, replacing "Theist" and "Atheist" with "Black" and "White".


c'est la chose la plus stupide que j'ai jamais entendu.

That makes no sense.

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Postby Flyover » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:35 pm

Alliir wrote:
Flyover wrote:
Why not argue against that claim in a calm headed way that doesn't offend people, instead of going out of your way to be offensive on purpose? It makes no sense.


I tried, once again.
I put in moderation the report. They overlooked me. Thus, I went with the last remaining choice; Offend as many people as possible in order to gain the mod's attention. I expected to get banned, but at the very least I was hoping that they would rethink their decision.


Yes, I'm sure making yourself look at foolish as possible and getting banned will make them more likely to agree with you. :roll:

I'm not talking about using moderation. If you find that their claim that religion is wrong to be incorrect, then you should be able to argue -in that thread- in a way that does not violate rules or offend other people. The rational response to people being offensive is not to be MORE offensive to draw attention to yourself, even if the mods are ignoring you.

Also, you could delete the original OP and rename the thread so that people stop believing that the thread is actually about racism.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:35 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:How is this related to the thread?

The argument was raised that it was 'The Islamic Empire' who was the cause of mass war and destruction in Africa.

That relates to the decline of African power and subsequent centuries of enslavement, colonization, and so on.
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Postby Alliir » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:35 pm

Port Victor wrote:
Alliir wrote:
I was copying the offensive thread in question, replacing "Theist" and "Atheist" with "Black" and "White".


c'est la chose la plus stupide que j'ai jamais entendu.

That makes no sense.


But it caused a stirr. Maybe enough to get the mods' attention.
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Postby Port Victor » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:37 pm

3. None of the Africa conflicts were Nearly as bloody as the conflicts in Europe.

This sort of false hagiography not only dehumanizes Africans of past ages, but obscures the historical power and majesty of Africa.


That is suppose to be not nearly

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Postby Alliir » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:37 pm

Flyover wrote:
Alliir wrote:
I tried, once again.
I put in moderation the report. They overlooked me. Thus, I went with the last remaining choice; Offend as many people as possible in order to gain the mod's attention. I expected to get banned, but at the very least I was hoping that they would rethink their decision.


Yes, I'm sure making yourself look at foolish as possible and getting banned will make them more likely to agree with you. :roll:

I'm not talking about using moderation. If you find that their claim that religion is wrong to be incorrect, then you should be able to argue -in that thread- in a way that does not violate rules or offend other people. The rational response to people being offensive is not to be MORE offensive to draw attention to yourself, even if the mods are ignoring you.


I wasn't going to. But if I continued to argue the point, I'd be told I was spamming Moderation. Better to do something big and obvious then to get nothing done and end up with a warning anyway.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:37 pm

Port Victor wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:
Dude I as an African agree with you completely but 50 years of independence in Kenya and we still hearing the same shit.


Well that has to do with bad luck, and the years that Kenya was raped of resources, people, economy. Also Kenya lacks the industry and place of importance, no offense, that let nations such as Germany, recover from devastation and horrible economy etc.


I AM SO OFFENDED BY THAT joking

In all serious though, we need to establish structures do deal with corruption shit and remove Presidents that have been there for a long time exept in some cases such as Robert Mugabe and Yoweri Museveni who has full support of his people but lets not get into that. Kenya geopolitically is a strategic power in Africa and it possesses as much as 10 billion barrels of oil. It is the leaders there that really shit on us with ethic tensions #RailaOdinga and refuse to respect the democratic government there as in many places in Africa where you see ethnic tensions.

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Postby Esternial » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:37 pm

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Esternial wrote:So you broke with your friends because their ancestors had some kind of involvement in slavery?

Wow.


He said that he was faking the fact that he is black and is therefore a bitch for faking us(black people) and attempting to troll us.

I see...

We shouldn't resort to that kind of language, though.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:38 pm

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Port Victor wrote:
c'est la chose la plus stupide que j'ai jamais entendu.

That makes no sense.


But it caused a stirr. Maybe enough to get the mods' attention.

That's admission to trolling, isn't it?
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Postby Port Victor » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:38 pm

Alliir wrote:
Port Victor wrote:
c'est la chose la plus stupide que j'ai jamais entendu.

That makes no sense.


But it caused a stirr. Maybe enough to get the mods' attention.


vous putain con

But it is about race so how would it connect to religion?

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