Pretty weird way to protest.
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by Herargon » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:16 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Port Victor wrote:However, true Africa is not immune to violence
1. Before beefing introduce to the European and Asians, fights were rare and not bloody. In most places to kill was a severe crime in battle. In Southern Africa those doing war looked to see who could throw the spear farther. The goal was to settle conflict without killing.
2. Real bloody and continuous conflict did not appear in most history until the 1500's when the Islamic Empire and the Portuguese came.
- The Islamic Empire killed many in battles to get converts
- The Portuguese asked for slaves and cause us, the Africans, to attack each other for profit that had not excised before
Are you really that unfamiliar with the history of the Tuaregs, the Ethiopians, the Somalians; Axum, Mali, Borno... Jesus, there are plenty of examples of brutal and bloody battle in Africa before the 16th century. And you really blame this on the Portugeuse? The early slave trade was a relatively minor affair. Shit, the Portugeuse assisted Ethiopia in fighting Muslim invaders. This is more the fault of European colonizers as a whole.
Also, there is no 'Islamic Empire'. There are a number of Islamic states that fought with African kingdoms in the 16th century, but many of those African kingdoms were, themselves, Muslim.
How scifi alliances actually work.Ifreann wrote:That would certainly save the local regiment of American troops the trouble of plugging your head in ye olde shittere.
by Naxalistan » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:16 pm
by Alliir » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:17 pm
by United States Kingdom » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:17 pm
Esternial wrote:So you broke with your friends because their ancestors had some kind of involvement in slavery?
Wow.
by Alliir » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:19 pm
by Herargon » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:19 pm
How scifi alliances actually work.Ifreann wrote:That would certainly save the local regiment of American troops the trouble of plugging your head in ye olde shittere.
by The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:20 pm
by Conserative Morality » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:20 pm
Herargon wrote:There were islamic empires such as the Abbasids, the second Caliphate, and such.
by Threlizdun » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:20 pm
by Baltenstein » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:21 pm
by Herargon » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:21 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Herargon wrote:There were islamic empires such as the Abbasids, the second Caliphate, and such.
'The Islamic Empire' is used twice.
Not 'An Islamic Empire', not 'The Islamic Empires'; 'The Islamic Empire', and they fail to mention that said Islamic Empires were fighting against other Islamic Empires.
If it were a minor grammatical error in an otherwise sensible argument, fine. But it's not. It strikes me as an actual misconception.
How scifi alliances actually work.Ifreann wrote:That would certainly save the local regiment of American troops the trouble of plugging your head in ye olde shittere.
by Port Victor » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:22 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Port Victor wrote:However, true Africa is not immune to violence
1. Before beefing introduce to the European and Asians, fights were rare and not bloody. In most places to kill was a severe crime in battle. In Southern Africa those doing war looked to see who could throw the spear farther. The goal was to settle conflict without killing.
2. Real bloody and continuous conflict did not appear in most history until the 1500's when the Islamic Empire and the Portuguese came.
- The Islamic Empire killed many in battles to get converts
- The Portuguese asked for slaves and cause us, the Africans, to attack each other for profit that had not excised before
Are you really that unfamiliar with the history of the Tuaregs, the Ethiopians, the Somalians; Axum, Mali, Borno... Jesus, there are plenty of examples of brutal and bloody battle in Africa before the 16th century. And you really blame this on the Portugeuse? The early slave trade was a relatively minor affair. Shit, the Portugeuse assisted Ethiopia in fighting Muslim invaders. This is more the fault of European colonizers as a whole.
Also, there is no 'Islamic Empire'. There are a number of Islamic states that fought with African kingdoms in the 16th century, but many of those African kingdoms were, themselves, Muslim.
by Kumuri » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:23 pm
Threlizdun wrote:Yes. Any more questions with obvious answers?
by Ragnarokee » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:24 pm
Bunkeranlage wrote:They're hardcore anarchic capitalists
by Flyover » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:24 pm
by Alliir » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:25 pm
Flyover wrote:This isn't even debatable. It is objective fact that no race is worse than any other race inherently, and basing ridiculous beliefs off of of personal or historic incidents is intellectually lazy and despicable at best, or downright moronic and pathetic at worst.
by Conserative Morality » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:25 pm
Herargon wrote:Ah, okay. But back in that time, there was only one islamic empire at a time. No more, except for civil wars and such.
And... yes, racism is bad.
by Wisconsin9 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:25 pm
by United States Kingdom » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:25 pm
Port Victor wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:Are you really that unfamiliar with the history of the Tuaregs, the Ethiopians, the Somalians; Axum, Mali, Borno... Jesus, there are plenty of examples of brutal and bloody battle in Africa before the 16th century. And you really blame this on the Portugeuse? The early slave trade was a relatively minor affair. Shit, the Portugeuse assisted Ethiopia in fighting Muslim invaders. This is more the fault of European colonizers as a whole.
Also, there is no 'Islamic Empire'. There are a number of Islamic states that fought with African kingdoms in the 16th century, but many of those African kingdoms were, themselves, Muslim.
1.There was In fact a Islamic Empire. It started in the 7th Century with Muhammad himself. It at one point stretched from Spain, as in, the country of Spain; to India. Evenly it broke up and was offically made over, by historians, until 1800"s with the Ottoman Empire.
2. I was not solely blaming the Portuguese, they just happen to be much of the first to arrive and did play a large part in the Slave Trade.
3. None of the Africa conflicts were Nearly as bloody as the conflicts in Europe.
4. Colonization of Africa, is probably the worst act that the Caucasian Europeans ever did. They completely he humanized the entire continent in a happy cheery meeting. They divided land and people that they had no right to do. And in truth that is what has cause much of Africa's problems today.
by United States Kingdom » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:26 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Herargon wrote:Ah, okay. But back in that time, there was only one islamic empire at a time. No more, except for civil wars and such.
And... yes, racism is bad.
Alright, tell me, who did the Saadians, an Islamic Empire, fight?
Wasn't it the... Songhai Empire? An Islamic Empire?
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