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Postby Esternial » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:16 pm

Alliir wrote:
Esternial wrote:So you broke with your friends because their ancestors had some kind of involvement in slavery?

Wow.


No, I'm white. This was a protest. People took it seriously.

Pretty weird way to protest.

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Postby Herargon » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:16 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Port Victor wrote:However, true Africa is not immune to violence

1. Before beefing introduce to the European and Asians, fights were rare and not bloody. In most places to kill was a severe crime in battle. In Southern Africa those doing war looked to see who could throw the spear farther. The goal was to settle conflict without killing.

2. Real bloody and continuous conflict did not appear in most history until the 1500's when the Islamic Empire and the Portuguese came.
- The Islamic Empire killed many in battles to get converts
- The Portuguese asked for slaves and cause us, the Africans, to attack each other for profit that had not excised before

Are you really that unfamiliar with the history of the Tuaregs, the Ethiopians, the Somalians; Axum, Mali, Borno... Jesus, there are plenty of examples of brutal and bloody battle in Africa before the 16th century. And you really blame this on the Portugeuse? The early slave trade was a relatively minor affair. Shit, the Portugeuse assisted Ethiopia in fighting Muslim invaders. This is more the fault of European colonizers as a whole.

Also, there is no 'Islamic Empire'. There are a number of Islamic states that fought with African kingdoms in the 16th century, but many of those African kingdoms were, themselves, Muslim.


There were islamic empires such as the Abbasids, the second Caliphate, and such.
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Postby Naxalistan » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:16 pm

Esternial wrote:
Alliir wrote:
No, I'm white. This was a protest. People took it seriously.

Pretty weird way to protest.


And what exactly is being "protested" here, anyway?
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Postby Alliir » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:17 pm

Esternial wrote:
Alliir wrote:
No, I'm white. This was a protest. People took it seriously.

Pretty weird way to protest.


I tried moderation and the thread itself. Both failed. This was my last-ditch effort.
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Postby Hanchu » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:17 pm

Alliir wrote:
Esternial wrote:So you broke with your friends because their ancestors had some kind of involvement in slavery?

Wow.


No, I'm white. This was a protest. People took it seriously.

Of course they did, this is a forum where things in general get discussed ,If you want to protest without discussion get a blog.

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Postby United States Kingdom » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:17 pm

Esternial wrote:So you broke with your friends because their ancestors had some kind of involvement in slavery?

Wow.


He said that he was faking the fact that he is black and is therefore a bitch for faking us(black people) and attempting to troll us.

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Postby Alliir » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:19 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Esternial wrote:So you broke with your friends because their ancestors had some kind of involvement in slavery?

Wow.


He said that he was faking the fact that he is black and is therefore a bitch for faking us(black people) and attempting to troll us.


I didn't expect anyone to take it seriously.
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Postby Herargon » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:19 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Esternial wrote:So you broke with your friends because their ancestors had some kind of involvement in slavery?

Wow.


He said that he was faking the fact that he is black and is therefore a bitch for faking us(black people) and attempting to troll us.


He used it as a way to test how others would react if he was black. If you're black, you have a stigma. However, that also applies to white people (ignorant, racist, rednecks, and such).
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:20 pm

Alliir wrote:
Esternial wrote:So you broke with your friends because their ancestors had some kind of involvement in slavery?

Wow.


No, I'm white. This was a protest. People took it seriously.

A protest against what?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:20 pm

Herargon wrote:There were islamic empires such as the Abbasids, the second Caliphate, and such.

'The Islamic Empire' is used twice.

Not 'An Islamic Empire', not 'The Islamic Empires'; 'The Islamic Empire', and they fail to mention that said Islamic Empires were fighting against other Islamic Empires.

If it were a minor grammatical error in an otherwise sensible argument, fine. But it's not. It strikes me as an actual misconception.
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Postby Threlizdun » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:20 pm

Yes. Any more questions with obvious answers?
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Postby Baltenstein » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:21 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Alliir wrote:
No, I'm white. This was a protest. People took it seriously.

A protest against what?


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Postby Herargon » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:21 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Herargon wrote:There were islamic empires such as the Abbasids, the second Caliphate, and such.

'The Islamic Empire' is used twice.

Not 'An Islamic Empire', not 'The Islamic Empires'; 'The Islamic Empire', and they fail to mention that said Islamic Empires were fighting against other Islamic Empires.

If it were a minor grammatical error in an otherwise sensible argument, fine. But it's not. It strikes me as an actual misconception.


Ah, okay. But back in that time, there was only one islamic empire at a time. No more, except for civil wars and such.

And... yes, racism is bad.
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Postby Port Victor » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:22 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Port Victor wrote:However, true Africa is not immune to violence

1. Before beefing introduce to the European and Asians, fights were rare and not bloody. In most places to kill was a severe crime in battle. In Southern Africa those doing war looked to see who could throw the spear farther. The goal was to settle conflict without killing.

2. Real bloody and continuous conflict did not appear in most history until the 1500's when the Islamic Empire and the Portuguese came.
- The Islamic Empire killed many in battles to get converts
- The Portuguese asked for slaves and cause us, the Africans, to attack each other for profit that had not excised before

Are you really that unfamiliar with the history of the Tuaregs, the Ethiopians, the Somalians; Axum, Mali, Borno... Jesus, there are plenty of examples of brutal and bloody battle in Africa before the 16th century. And you really blame this on the Portugeuse? The early slave trade was a relatively minor affair. Shit, the Portugeuse assisted Ethiopia in fighting Muslim invaders. This is more the fault of European colonizers as a whole.

Also, there is no 'Islamic Empire'. There are a number of Islamic states that fought with African kingdoms in the 16th century, but many of those African kingdoms were, themselves, Muslim.


1.There was In fact a Islamic Empire. It started in the 7th Century with Muhammad himself. It at one point stretched from Spain, as in, the country of Spain; to India. Evenly it broke up and was offically made over, by historians, until 1800"s with the Ottoman Empire.

2. I was not solely blaming the Portuguese, they just happen to be much of the first to arrive and did play a large part in the Slave Trade.

3. None of the Africa conflicts were Nearly as bloody as the conflicts in Europe.

4. Colonization of Africa, is probably the worst act that the Caucasian Europeans ever did. They completely he humanized the entire continent in a happy cheery meeting. They divided land and people that they had no right to do. And in truth that is what has cause much of Africa's problems today.
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Postby Kumuri » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:23 pm

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Postby Ragnarokee » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:24 pm

How is this a thread? If you're asking "is racism bad?" then you clearly need to go back to school and learn about history. - Also to hate white people because of our past makes you a hypocrite. You're past isn't exactly clean either.
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Postby Flyover » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:24 pm

This isn't even debatable. It is objective fact that no race is worse than any other race inherently, and basing ridiculous beliefs off of of personal or historic incidents is intellectually lazy and despicable at best, or downright moronic and pathetic at worst.
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Postby Alliir » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:25 pm

Flyover wrote:This isn't even debatable. It is objective fact that no race is worse than any other race inherently, and basing ridiculous beliefs off of of personal or historic incidents is intellectually lazy and despicable at best, or downright moronic and pathetic at worst.


Read the OP.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:25 pm

Herargon wrote:Ah, okay. But back in that time, there was only one islamic empire at a time. No more, except for civil wars and such.

And... yes, racism is bad.

Alright, tell me, who did the Saadians, an Islamic Empire, fight?

Wasn't it the... Songhai Empire? An Islamic Empire?
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:25 pm

Alliir wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:
He said that he was faking the fact that he is black and is therefore a bitch for faking us(black people) and attempting to troll us.


I didn't expect anyone to take it seriously.
I copied the thread in question almost word by word. Sorry.

I don't know why you didn't expect anyone to take it seriously, considering you put absolutely nothing in that suggested it wasn't serious.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:25 pm

Port Victor wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Are you really that unfamiliar with the history of the Tuaregs, the Ethiopians, the Somalians; Axum, Mali, Borno... Jesus, there are plenty of examples of brutal and bloody battle in Africa before the 16th century. And you really blame this on the Portugeuse? The early slave trade was a relatively minor affair. Shit, the Portugeuse assisted Ethiopia in fighting Muslim invaders. This is more the fault of European colonizers as a whole.

Also, there is no 'Islamic Empire'. There are a number of Islamic states that fought with African kingdoms in the 16th century, but many of those African kingdoms were, themselves, Muslim.


1.There was In fact a Islamic Empire. It started in the 7th Century with Muhammad himself. It at one point stretched from Spain, as in, the country of Spain; to India. Evenly it broke up and was offically made over, by historians, until 1800"s with the Ottoman Empire.

2. I was not solely blaming the Portuguese, they just happen to be much of the first to arrive and did play a large part in the Slave Trade.

3. None of the Africa conflicts were Nearly as bloody as the conflicts in Europe.

4. Colonization of Africa, is probably the worst act that the Caucasian Europeans ever did. They completely he humanized the entire continent in a happy cheery meeting. They divided land and people that they had no right to do. And in truth that is what has cause much of Africa's problems today.


Dude I as an African agree with you completely but 50 years of independence in Kenya and we still hearing the same shit.

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Postby Port Victor » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:25 pm

Islamic Empire

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Postby Alliir » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:25 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Alliir wrote:
I didn't expect anyone to take it seriously.
I copied the thread in question almost word by word. Sorry.

I don't know why you didn't expect anyone to take it seriously, considering you put absolutely nothing in that suggested it wasn't serious.


Fixed. Sorry for angering you.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:26 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Herargon wrote:Ah, okay. But back in that time, there was only one islamic empire at a time. No more, except for civil wars and such.

And... yes, racism is bad.

Alright, tell me, who did the Saadians, an Islamic Empire, fight?

Wasn't it the... Songhai Empire? An Islamic Empire?


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