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Postby Immoren » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:05 am

New Boozland wrote:
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The human eye? Really? I can think of a number of animals which have way better eyesight than us.


Ok... how about the other 95% of the article?


It's nothing I've not yet seen several times.

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The one religion that gives me doubt.
Kind of.
Maybe.
It's not really a religion, but it's still unnerving to read the texts and feel reality slipping away from you. It's an eldritch tome. Do not read if you value sanity. :p


Are you mocking my Faith? D:<
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Postby New Boozland » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:06 am

Regenburg wrote:define god


Supreme being that created the universe
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Postby Creepoc Infinite » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:06 am

Jute wrote:
Creepoc Infinite wrote:I have realized that religion is one of the worst problems, if not THE worst, facing modern society.
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Now I want to see any arguments backing up. And please don't claim it's making people ignorant and/or stupid.
The young earth movement / creationism or the like is not accepted by mainstream Christianity, including the pope representing the whole Catholic Church. They accept evolution and the age of the earth. In fact, religion has in the past inspired many to do many discoveries in science. The inventor of the Big Bang theory was even a Jesuit priest.

i agree that creationists are a fringe group, however, religious extremism will be the end of us, and the tolerance of moderation is what gives the extremists excuses to continue their extremism
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Postby Risottia » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:06 am

Immoren wrote:Are you mocking my Faith?

Yes and no. ;)
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:06 am

Immoren wrote:
New Boozland wrote:
Ok... how about the other 95% of the article?


It's nothing I've not yet seen several times.

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The one religion that gives me doubt.
Kind of.
Maybe.
It's not really a religion, but it's still unnerving to read the texts and feel reality slipping away from you. It's an eldritch tome. Do not read if you value sanity. :p


Are you mocking my Faith? D:<
:p


Ofcourse I am brother. We must remain vigilant against the servants of Greyface.

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Postby Regenburg » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:07 am

New Boozland wrote:
Regenburg wrote:define god


Supreme being that created the universe
then no
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Postby Lyncanestria » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:07 am

Creepoc Infinite wrote:I am an Atheist who is strongly against religion.
And I have been studying religion. The reason I'm atheist is because that I was once Christian,l but I never went to church or read the bible. It was a really casual thing.
One day, something traumatic happened to me and I started to go to church and so on in order to reconnect with god.
However, the more I learned about the religions roots and the more I read the bible, the more disenfranchised by Christianity I was.

I was really miserable for a long time, until I found about that atheism existed, when I did, it offered me an opportunity to see the world as I had originally seen it. Because I'm an atheist, I have become more open to new information and have learned a lot about science and philosophy and history.

I have realized that religion is one of the worst problems, if not THE worst, facing modern society.
And so I want to know what everyone's thoughts are on the issue.

Based on your opening post, how about we change the title to "Is religion inherently a bad thing". You never even mentioned the existence of God or coming to the conclusion that he doesn't exist, all you said is that you refute Him and His religion... and religion in general.
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Postby New Boozland » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:07 am

Regenburg wrote:
New Boozland wrote:
Supreme being that created the universe
then no


Then what created the universe?
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Postby Scepez » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:07 am

Though I'll admit I believe that one day, Billy Mays will rise from his grave and show the world the error of its ways. Via Infomercial.
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Postby Risottia » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:08 am

New Boozland wrote:
Regenburg wrote:define god


Supreme being that created the universe


Define supreme.

New Boozland wrote:Then what created the universe?

Why do you assume that it was created?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:08 am

New Boozland wrote:
Regenburg wrote:define god


Supreme being that created the universe


Supreme is a subjective value judgement.
Immediate disqualification from objective fact.
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Postby Immoren » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:08 am

New Boozland wrote:
Regenburg wrote:define god


Supreme being that created the universe


Few gods claim to have created anyhtign.


Risottia wrote:
Immoren wrote:Are you mocking my Faith?

Yes and no. ;)


Good to hear. :lol:

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Immoren wrote:
It's nothing I've not yet seen several times.



Are you mocking my Faith? D:<
:p


Ofcourse I am brother. We must remain vigilant against the servants of Greyface.

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Postby Text People » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:08 am

Risottia wrote:
New Boozland wrote:
Supreme being that created the universe


Define supreme.

I can.

A being superior to all other beings existing.
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Postby Immoren » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:08 am

New Boozland wrote:
Regenburg wrote:then no


Then what created the universe?


Waterfowls eggs crashing into the Primal Ocean.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:09 am

New Boozland wrote:
Regenburg wrote:then no


Then what created the universe?


Quantum fluctuation is a good guess.
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Postby Risottia » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:09 am

Text People wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Define supreme.

I can.

A being superior to all other beings existing.

Define superior.

(really, I've been playing this game since before they started calling me The Wanderer!)
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Postby Text People » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:10 am

Risottia wrote:
Text People wrote:I can.

A being superior to all other beings existing.

Define superior.

Greater power; greater intellect; immortal, etc.
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Postby Regenburg » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:11 am

New Boozland wrote:
Regenburg wrote:then no


Then what created the universe?
its not like everything appeared from nowhere(as assumed in creationist perspective of evolution) matter just changes form
i have no idea what happened before big bang i shall google that
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Postby New Boozland » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:11 am

Risottia wrote:
Text People wrote:I can.

A being superior to all other beings existing.

Define superior.

(really, I've been playing this game since before they started calling me The Wanderer!)



Above everything else.
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Postby Rhodisia » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:11 am

There is no evidence to support nor refute the existence of God. I presume that it will remain that way.
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Postby New Boozland » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:11 am

Risottia wrote:
New Boozland wrote:
Supreme being that created the universe


Define supreme.

New Boozland wrote:Then what created the universe?

Why do you assume that it was created?


Because to say that it has always existed contradicts scientific fact
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Postby Immoren » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:12 am

Text People wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Define supreme.

I can.

A being superior to all other beings existing.



YHWH's wrestle with JAcob?
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Postby Creepoc Infinite » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:12 am

New Boozland wrote:
Regenburg wrote:then no


Then what created the universe?

Does it have to have a creator or beginning?

when the universe "began" to exist, so did time.
How can you have a before time?

that's like you being conscious during the civil war. there was no YOU before YOU. the universe just began and we do not know why, and we can't go from a, b, to z by jumping to "It was God!"
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Postby Risottia » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:12 am

New Boozland wrote:
Risottia wrote:Define superior.

(really, I've been playing this game since before they started calling me The Wanderer!)



Above everything else.


Considering how "above" means "away from the centre of the Earth", and how the Earth is younger than the Universe, your claim doesn't make much sense.

Unless you're meaning "figuratively above". On what scale, then? How do you measure "beings" and "deities"? Beware that "measure" has a pretty cogent mathematical definition.

By the way: "superior" is a comparative, not a superlative.
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Postby The Jasminia Islands » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:12 am

Rhodisia wrote:There is no evidence to support nor refute the existence of God. I presume that it will remain that way.

Exactly. I think more people should recognise this fact, religious or atheist.
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