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The Equestrian Ponyland
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Postby The Equestrian Ponyland » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:16 pm

To answer thread title, nope.

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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:16 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Crossikination wrote:How is the translation from French to English relevant to this argument? It is just how the French speak.


Because the (original) Old Testament is written in Hebrew. The New Testament is written in Greek. Guess what, they didn't have a language structure like English.


Worse they were written in the ancient Hebrew and ancient Greek, both long since dead.
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Postby Crossikination » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:17 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Crossikination wrote:How can you have a circular horizon without a spherical earth?



Cast adrift in the Ocean, the horizon would appear as a circle, as it would dip at the same distance in every direction. The Egyptians and later the Greeks (and if your into that sort of thing the Atlanteans) used that concept to prove the Earth as sphere. (Though Socrates thought it was more of a Soccer ball)

You say that the Greeks believed that too, but this was written in the bible before the Greeks even existed.

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Postby Crossikination » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:18 pm

The Equestrian Ponyland wrote:To answer thread title, nope.

Or yes, how was the universe created and what happens after you die?

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Postby Nerotysia » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:19 pm

Crossikination wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

Cast adrift in the Ocean, the horizon would appear as a circle, as it would dip at the same distance in every direction. The Egyptians and later the Greeks (and if your into that sort of thing the Atlanteans) used that concept to prove the Earth as sphere. (Though Socrates thought it was more of a Soccer ball)

You say that the Greeks believed that too, but this was written in the bible before the Greeks even existed.

Do you care what you spew out your mouth?

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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:19 pm

Crossikination wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

Cast adrift in the Ocean, the horizon would appear as a circle, as it would dip at the same distance in every direction. The Egyptians and later the Greeks (and if your into that sort of thing the Atlanteans) used that concept to prove the Earth as sphere. (Though Socrates thought it was more of a Soccer ball)

You say that the Greeks believed that too, but this was written in the bible before the Greeks even existed.


Again no a sphere is not a circle please stop ignoring posts.


Is 40:22
"It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in."

A circle is not a sphere

Job
He drew a circular horizon on the face of the waters,
At the boundary of light and darkness.

Says nothing about the shape of the earth, and once again uses circle.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:19 pm

Crossikination wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

Cast adrift in the Ocean, the horizon would appear as a circle, as it would dip at the same distance in every direction. The Egyptians and later the Greeks (and if your into that sort of thing the Atlanteans) used that concept to prove the Earth as sphere. (Though Socrates thought it was more of a Soccer ball)

You say that the Greeks believed that too, but this was written in the bible before the Greeks even existed.


The OT wasn't "written" until 6th century BC, about the same time Greece was being formed. Irrelevant as the Egyptians far predate the Bible.

Though I'm not even sure what the point is here anymore.
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Postby Crossikination » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:19 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Because the (original) Old Testament is written in Hebrew. The New Testament is written in Greek. Guess what, they didn't have a language structure like English.


Worse they were written in the ancient Hebrew and ancient Greek, both long since dead.

But still translated so we Christians can understand it

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Postby Highfort » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:20 pm

Crossikination wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

Cast adrift in the Ocean, the horizon would appear as a circle, as it would dip at the same distance in every direction. The Egyptians and later the Greeks (and if your into that sort of thing the Atlanteans) used that concept to prove the Earth as sphere. (Though Socrates thought it was more of a Soccer ball)

You say that the Greeks believed that too, but this was written in the bible before the Greeks even existed.


Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, and many other great Greek thinkers predate the Bible and Christianity, and even Judaism.

Do you even history?
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:21 pm

Crossikination wrote:
The Equestrian Ponyland wrote:To answer thread title, nope.

Or yes, how was the universe created and what happens after you die?


The fallacy you are using is begging the question, there is no evidence the universe was created. As for what happens after you die, some believe in reincarnation (no god necessary), some believe that is it the end there is nothing after death.
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Postby Crossikination » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:21 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Crossikination wrote:You say that the Greeks believed that too, but this was written in the bible before the Greeks even existed.


The OT wasn't "written" until 6th century BC, about the same time Greece was being formed. Irrelevant as the Egyptians far predate the Bible.

Though I'm not even sure what the point is here anymore.

Moses existed far before the Egyptians, and he wrote in the bible what we Christians know as the Ten Commandments.

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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:21 pm

Crossikination wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Worse they were written in the ancient Hebrew and ancient Greek, both long since dead.

But still translated so we Christians can understand it


Did you miss the post about there being issues with exact word for word translations?
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:22 pm

Crossikination wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Worse they were written in the ancient Hebrew and ancient Greek, both long since dead.

But still translated so we Christians can understand it



Yes, but there's multiple ways of translating.

You have spectrum from

Literarl (word for word, KJV)-----------------------------Idiomatic (the words arranged in their meaning and structre, NIV)----------------------------------------Conceptual (No structure just the concepts, childrens bibles)

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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:23 pm

Crossikination wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
The OT wasn't "written" until 6th century BC, about the same time Greece was being formed. Irrelevant as the Egyptians far predate the Bible.

Though I'm not even sure what the point is here anymore.

Moses existed far before the Egyptians, and he wrote in the bible what we Christians know as the Ten Commandments.


... You did read the Bible, right ? It explicitly claims Moses lived in a time Pharaohs had been around for a while.
In addition, he did not write a single letter of the Bible.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:23 pm

Crossikination wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
The OT wasn't "written" until 6th century BC, about the same time Greece was being formed. Irrelevant as the Egyptians far predate the Bible.

Though I'm not even sure what the point is here anymore.

Moses existed far before the Egyptians, and he wrote in the bible what we Christians know as the Ten Commandments.


What...do you even bible. Moses according to the bible was born in Egypt as a slave to Egyptians...meaning Egyptians had to predate him...

Second, the bible is more then just the ten commandments...

There is of course no evidence that Moses actually ever existed or that the Jews were ever held as slaves in Egypt.
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Postby Highfort » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:23 pm

Crossikination wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
The OT wasn't "written" until 6th century BC, about the same time Greece was being formed. Irrelevant as the Egyptians far predate the Bible.

Though I'm not even sure what the point is here anymore.

Moses existed far before the Egyptians, and he wrote in the bible what we Christians know as the Ten Commandments.


That's impossible even by Biblical story standards. Moses was raised as the son of a Pharaoh and fucking led his people out of EGYPT. At least try studying your Bible before you come to debate.
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Postby Crossikination » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:23 pm

Nerotysia wrote:
Crossikination wrote:You say that the Greeks believed that too, but this was written in the bible before the Greeks even existed.

Do you care what you spew out your mouth?

Yeah I do it is how I am beating you at this argument.

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:24 pm

Crossikination wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
The OT wasn't "written" until 6th century BC, about the same time Greece was being formed. Irrelevant as the Egyptians far predate the Bible.

Though I'm not even sure what the point is here anymore.

Moses existed far before the Egyptians, and he wrote in the bible what we Christians know as the Ten Commandments.



No he didn't. He was born, and adopted by an Egyptian Pharaoh, like wow. And you claim others know nothing....

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Postby Aeternabilis » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:24 pm

Crossikination wrote:
Nerotysia wrote:Do you care what you spew out your mouth?

Yeah I do it is how I am beating you at this argument.

[Something about pigeons and chess here]
Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one?

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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:25 pm

Crossikination wrote:
Nerotysia wrote:Do you care what you spew out your mouth?

Yeah I do it is how I am beating you at this argument.


You have literally failed to answer a single one of our responses. You have simply ignored them. Once again a sphere and a circle are not the same thing (not that the earth is a sphere anyway).
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Postby Sociobiology » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:25 pm

Crossikination wrote:
Sociobiology wrote:or it shows just how ignorant you are.

How about it showing how ignorant you are, you clearly don't know the bible. So how am I any more ignorant than you?

do you have any evidence I don't know about the bible?
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Postby Nerotysia » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:25 pm

Crossikination wrote:
Nerotysia wrote:Do you care what you spew out your mouth?

Yeah I do it is how I am beating you at this argument.

There are no words. I think you've reached the pinnacle of stupidity. Congratulations. It is impossible to have posted something dumber.

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:26 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Crossikination wrote:Moses existed far before the Egyptians, and he wrote in the bible what we Christians know as the Ten Commandments.


What...do you even bible. Moses according to the bible was born in Egypt as a slave to Egyptians...meaning Egyptians had to predate him...

Second, the bible is more then just the ten commandments...

There is of course no evidence that Moses actually ever existed or that the Jews were ever held as slaves in Egypt.


I'd have to dig out the source, but they've discovered hebraic writings inside Egyptian ruins, also connecting Hebrew to Hieroglyphics. Basically primitive Hebrew was a phonetic derivative of Hieroglyphics.

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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:27 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
What...do you even bible. Moses according to the bible was born in Egypt as a slave to Egyptians...meaning Egyptians had to predate him...

Second, the bible is more then just the ten commandments...

There is of course no evidence that Moses actually ever existed or that the Jews were ever held as slaves in Egypt.


I'd have to dig out the source, but they've discovered hebraic writings inside Egyptian ruins, also connecting Hebrew to Hieroglyphics. Basically primitive Hebrew was a phonetic derivative of Hieroglyphics.


Please do, from what I have read even most theologians agree that the Exodus never happened.
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Postby Crossikination » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:27 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Crossikination wrote:Moses existed far before the Egyptians, and he wrote in the bible what we Christians know as the Ten Commandments.


What...do you even bible. Moses according to the bible was born in Egypt as a slave to Egyptians...meaning Egyptians had to predate him...

Second, the bible is more then just the ten commandments...
And see? You are defending the bible and you don't even believe in it.

There is of course no evidence that Moses actually ever existed or that the Jews were ever held as slaves in Egypt.

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