Does God Exist?

[Nerotysia]

or it shows just how ignorant you are.

How about it showing how ignorant you are, you clearly don't know the bible. So how am I any more ignorant than you?

For the average person, knowing science is far more important than knowing the bible.

[Neutraligon]

or it shows just how ignorant you are.

How about it showing how ignorant you are, you clearly don't know the bible. So how am I any more ignorant than you?

You are unaware of basic scientific facts. Using the NKJV for the two quotes you mentioned

Is 40:22
"It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in."

A circle is not a sphere

Job
He drew a circular horizon on the face of the waters,
At the boundary of light and darkness.

Says nothing about the shape of the earth, and once again uses circle.

[Crossikination]

How would you know anything about it when you are not even a christian?

A. I'm Catholic, not to boast of ourselves but our group has more street cred as Christianity than your Charismatic evangelical group.
B. I'm Theology student focusing on Hermeneutics and Exegesis, with three years under my belt. I'm not an expert, but I definitely have a workable knowledge of biblical translation.
C. One doesn't need to be a Christian to know anything about Christianity.

We'll if you actually knew something about Christianity, then you would know that the New King James Version is a great translation

[Crossikination]

How about it showing how ignorant you are, you clearly don't know the bible. So how am I any more ignorant than you?

You are unaware of basic scientific facts.

Some of which were based off of the bible, the thing that you are ignorant of

[Nerotysia]

You are unaware of basic scientific facts.

Some of which were based off of the bible, the thing that you are ignorant of

No scientific fact is based in the bible. They are derived from the scientific method and nothing else.

[Crossikination]

Hey all of you atheists out there, can you answer me when I ask you what happens when you die?

[Crossikination]

Some of which were based off of the bible, the thing that you are ignorant of

No scientific fact is based in the bible. They are derived from the scientific method and nothing else.

The earth being spherical is a scientific fact from the bible

[Nerotysia]

Hey all of you atheists out there, can you answer me when I ask you what happens when you die?

Perhaps after you answer our dozens of challenges, instead of ignoring them because you know your belief is inherently illogical.

[Nerotysia]

No scientific fact is based in the bible. They are derived from the scientific method and nothing else.

The earth being spherical is a scientific fact from the bible

So you ignore posts. Good to know. Why should I bother addressing you, then?

[The Alma Mater]

You are unaware of basic scientific facts.

Some of which were based off of the bible, the thing that you are ignorant of

Like...?

[Neutraligon]

No scientific fact is based in the bible. They are derived from the scientific method and nothing else.

The earth being spherical is a scientific fact from the bible

Which we have already shown to you is not in the bible, using the very bible you use.

[Crossikination]

How about it showing how ignorant you are, you clearly don't know the bible. So how am I any more ignorant than you?

You are unaware of basic scientific facts. Using the NKJV for the two quotes you mentioned

Is 40:22
"It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in."

A circle is not a sphere
How can you have a circular horizon without a spherical earth?

Job
He drew a circular horizon on the face of the waters,
At the boundary of light and darkness.

Says nothing about the shape of the earth, and once again uses circle.

[Highfort]

No scientific fact is based in the bible. They are derived from the scientific method and nothing else.

The earth being spherical is a scientific fact from the bible

Circle =/= Sphere

Anyone with basic knowledge of geometry knows this.

[The Alma Mater]

No scientific fact is based in the bible. They are derived from the scientific method and nothing else.

The earth being spherical is a scientific fact from the bible

Actually, the Egyptians knew that several millenia before the Bible was written. So nope.

[Crossikination]

The earth being spherical is a scientific fact from the bible

Actually, the Egyptians knew that several millenia before the Bible was written. So nope.

How did the Egyptians know?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

A. I'm Catholic, not to boast of ourselves but our group has more street cred as Christianity than your Charismatic evangelical group.
B. I'm Theology student focusing on Hermeneutics and Exegesis, with three years under my belt. I'm not an expert, but I definitely have a workable knowledge of biblical translation.
C. One doesn't need to be a Christian to know anything about Christianity.

We'll if you actually knew something about Christianity, then you would know that the New King James Version is a great translation

Actually it's not, it's a literal (word for word) translation, with notorious amount of errors. The NKJV rectifies some of the KJV errors, but not well. The NIV is a more idiomatic translation, which translates the meaning of the text, and thus a "better" translation. I personally revert to the NRSV the Catholic Approved translation but obviously that's because I'm biased.


To explain the difference between literal and idiomatic translation.
Je a 26 ans. (French)
A literal translation from french to english would translate this as "I have 26 years." This leads to certain problems in English. How does one own 19 years, or you have 19 years left? Until?
An idiomatic translation of is the more accurate "I am 26 years old"

[The Alma Mater]

Actually, the Egyptians knew that several millenia before the Bible was written. So nope.

How did the Egyptians know?

The same way the Greeks figured it out. The existence of a horizon.

[Crossikination]

Hey all of you atheists out there, can you answer me when I ask you what happens when you die?

Perhaps after you answer our dozens of challenges, instead of ignoring them because you know your belief is inherently illogical.

I did in fact answer them

[Tarsonis Survivors]

You are unaware of basic scientific facts. Using the NKJV for the two quotes you mentioned

Is 40:22
"It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in."

A circle is not a sphere


Job
He drew a circular horizon on the face of the waters,
At the boundary of light and darkness.

Says nothing about the shape of the earth, and once again uses circle.

How can you have a circular horizon without a spherical earth?

Cast adrift in the Ocean, the horizon would appear as a circle, as it would dip at the same distance in every direction. The Egyptians and later the Greeks (and if your into that sort of thing the Atlanteans) used that concept to prove the Earth as sphere. (Though Socrates thought it was more of a Soccer ball)

[The Alma Mater]

Perhaps after you answer our dozens of challenges, instead of ignoring them because you know your belief is inherently illogical.

I did in fact answer them

Last time I checked, lying was a sin.

[Neutraligon]

Perhaps after you answer our dozens of challenges, instead of ignoring them because you know your belief is inherently illogical.

I did in fact answer them

No you did not.


Is 40:22
"It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in."

A circle is not a sphere

Job
He drew a circular horizon on the face of the waters,
At the boundary of light and darkness.

Says nothing about the shape of the earth, and once again uses circle.

[Crossikination]

We'll if you actually knew something about Christianity, then you would know that the New King James Version is a great translation

Actually it's not, it's a literal (word for word) translation, with notorious amount of errors. The NKJV rectifies some of the KJV errors, but not well. The NIV is a more idiomatic translation, which translates the meaning of the text, and thus a "better" translation. I personally revert to the NRSV the Catholic Approved translation but obviously that's because I'm biased.


To explain the difference between literal and idiomatic translation.
Je a 26 ans. (French)
A literal translation from french to english would translate this as "I have 26 years." This leads to certain problems in English. How does one own 19 years, or you have 19 years left? Until?
An idiomatic translation of is the more accurate "I am 26 years old"

How is the translation from French to English relevant to this argument? It is just how the French speak.

[Neutraligon]

Actually it's not, it's a literal (word for word) translation, with notorious amount of errors. The NKJV rectifies some of the KJV errors, but not well. The NIV is a more idiomatic translation, which translates the meaning of the text, and thus a "better" translation. I personally revert to the NRSV the Catholic Approved translation but obviously that's because I'm biased.


To explain the difference between literal and idiomatic translation.
Je a 26 ans. (French)
A literal translation from french to english would translate this as "I have 26 years." This leads to certain problems in English. How does one own 19 years, or you have 19 years left? Until?
An idiomatic translation of is the more accurate "I am 26 years old"

How is the translation from French to English relevant to this argument? It is just how the French speak.

It is an example of how exact translations can be problematic. These same issues exist when translating texts like the bible.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Actually it's not, it's a literal (word for word) translation, with notorious amount of errors. The NKJV rectifies some of the KJV errors, but not well. The NIV is a more idiomatic translation, which translates the meaning of the text, and thus a "better" translation. I personally revert to the NRSV the Catholic Approved translation but obviously that's because I'm biased.


To explain the difference between literal and idiomatic translation.
Je a 26 ans. (French)
A literal translation from french to english would translate this as "I have 26 years." This leads to certain problems in English. How does one own 19 years, or you have 19 years left? Until?
An idiomatic translation of is the more accurate "I am 26 years old"

How is the translation from French to English relevant to this argument? It is just how the French speak.

Because the (original) Old Testament is written in Hebrew. The New Testament is written in Greek. Guess what, they didn't have a language structure like English.

[Highfort]

Actually it's not, it's a literal (word for word) translation, with notorious amount of errors. The NKJV rectifies some of the KJV errors, but not well. The NIV is a more idiomatic translation, which translates the meaning of the text, and thus a "better" translation. I personally revert to the NRSV the Catholic Approved translation but obviously that's because I'm biased.


To explain the difference between literal and idiomatic translation.
Je a 26 ans. (French)
A literal translation from french to english would translate this as "I have 26 years." This leads to certain problems in English. How does one own 19 years, or you have 19 years left? Until?
An idiomatic translation of is the more accurate "I am 26 years old"

How is the translation from French to English relevant to this argument? It is just how the French speak.

I am fairly certain the French do not mean to say "I have 26 years" as that would make no syntactic sense. It is not "how they speak", it's a result of grammatical differences in how syntax is used, ergo the idiomatic translation of a text (which Tarsonis is arguing for) is more accurate to its original meaning than the literal translation. This is why we pay translators for books instead of using Google translate.