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Postby Sociobiology » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:37 pm

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Crossikination wrote:If we evolved from apes, then where are all the ape people in between the evolutionary process?


Sorry, evolutionists generally don't believes that we evolved from apes now.

Source: http://www.livescience.com/32503-why-ha ... umans.html

Sorry, but I believe that we should all be educated.

yeah that's not a scientific source that's a joke editorial piece, and it is painfully obvious that the author does not know anything about biology including what an ape is.

if you want to be educated you should learn the difference between types of sources.
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Postby Kainesia » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:38 pm

Sociobiology wrote:
Need a name wrote:
Sorry, evolutionists generally don't believes that we evolved from apes now.

Source: http://www.livescience.com/32503-why-ha ... umans.html

Sorry, but I believe that we should all be educated.

yeah that's not a scientific source that's a joke editorial piece, and it is painfully obvious that the author does not know anything about biology including what an ape is.

if you want to be educated you should learn the difference between types of sources.


Yeah, creationists can't be picky when choosing quality sources to prove their points, since there are so few of them.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:39 pm

I don't see what the big deal. Catholics have been on team Evolution for decades. It's those pesky Protestants that have the issue.

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Postby Sociobiology » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:43 pm

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...You don't know who Lucy is? You seriously need to do some research. She is just one of the most famous of the transitional fossils we have found.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus_afarensis

Well clearly she isn't that famous if I haven't heard of her

or it shows just how ignorant you are.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:47 pm

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Crossikination wrote:Well clearly she isn't that famous if I haven't heard of her

or it shows just how ignorant you are.


Unfortunately they seem to have left. I still haven't gotten a clear definition of kind. Are wolves and dogs a kind? What about foxes and wolves? Are fish a kind?
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Postby Crossikination » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:47 pm

Neutraligon wrote:Since we have a creationist here I am still wondering what a kind is. I have always wanted a clear and exact definition.

Oh yeah and still waiting for that verse that says the earth is a sphere.

Isaiah 40:22 and Job 26:10

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Postby Crossikination » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:50 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Sociobiology wrote:or it shows just how ignorant you are.


Unfortunately they seem to have left. I still haven't gotten a clear definition of kind. Are wolves and dogs a kind? What about foxes and wolves? Are fish a kind?

I think it is like a family of animals

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:50 pm

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Neutraligon wrote:Since we have a creationist here I am still wondering what a kind is. I have always wanted a clear and exact definition.

Oh yeah and still waiting for that verse that says the earth is a sphere.

Isaiah 40:22 and Job 26:10


Very weak, easily refutable.

Isaiah refers to a circle, which more likely means Flat circular earth. (DISK WORLD!!) than a sphere. Job speaks of the horizon, but not that it dips, rather it ends.
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Postby Crossikination » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:51 pm

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Crossikination wrote:Isaiah 40:22 and Job 26:10


Very weak, easily refutable.

What is that supposed to mean? I gave you evidence and you are never satisfied

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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:53 pm

Crossikination wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Since we have a creationist here I am still wondering what a kind is. I have always wanted a clear and exact definition.

Oh yeah and still waiting for that verse that says the earth is a sphere.

Isaiah 40:22 and Job 26:10



Which version of the bible are you using?


Is 40:22
New International Version
He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

New Living Translation
God sits above the circle of the earth. The people below seem like grasshoppers to him! He spreads out the heavens like a curtain and makes his tent from them.

English Standard Version
It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;

New American Standard Bible
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

King James Bible
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
God is enthroned above the circle of the earth; its inhabitants are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like thin cloth and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

International Standard Version
He's the one who sits above the disk of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers. He's the one who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to live in,

NET Bible
He is the one who sits on the earth's horizon; its inhabitants are like grasshoppers before him. He is the one who stretches out the sky like a thin curtain, and spreads it out like a pitched tent.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
God is enthroned above the earth, and those who live on it are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the sky like a canopy and spreads it out like a tent to live in.

Jubilee Bible 2000
He is seated upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; he stretches out the heavens as a curtain and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in:

King James 2000 Bible
It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are as grasshoppers; that stretches out the heavens as a curtain, and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in:

American King James Version
It is he that sits on the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretches out the heavens as a curtain, and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in:

American Standard Version
It is he that sitteth above the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in;

Douay-Rheims Bible
It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.

Darby Bible Translation
[It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a gauze curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in;

English Revised Version
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Webster's Bible Translation
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

World English Bible
It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in;

Young's Literal Translation
He who is sitting on the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are as grasshoppers, He who is stretching out as a thin thing the heavens, And spreadeth them as a tent to dwell in.


It says circle not sphere and describes the situation like a tent, meaning the earth is flat. It sometimes uses disk...which is not a sphere.

Job 26:10
New International Version
He marks out the horizon on the face of the waters for a boundary between light and darkness.

New Living Translation
He created the horizon when he separated the waters; he set the boundary between day and night.

English Standard Version
He has inscribed a circle on the face of the waters at the boundary between light and darkness.

New American Standard Bible
"He has inscribed a circle on the surface of the waters At the boundary of light and darkness.

King James Bible
He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
He laid out the horizon on the surface of the waters at the boundary between light and darkness.

International Standard Version
He has delimited a boundary over the surface of the oceans as a limit between light and darkness.

NET Bible
He marks out the horizon on the surface of the waters as a boundary between light and darkness.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
He marks the horizon on the surface of the water at the boundary where light meets dark.

Jubilee Bible 2000
He has compassed the waters with bounds until the end of light and darkness.

King James 2000 Bible
He has drawn a circle on the waters at the boundary where the day and night come together.

American King James Version
He has compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.

American Standard Version
He hath described a boundary upon the face of the waters, Unto the confines of light and darkness.

Douay-Rheims Bible
He hath set bounds about the waters, till light and darkness come to an end.

Darby Bible Translation
He hath traced a fixed circle over the waters, unto the confines of light and darkness.

English Revised Version
He hath described a boundary upon the face of the waters, unto the confines of light and darkness.

Webster's Bible Translation
He hath encompassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.

World English Bible
He has described a boundary on the surface of the waters, and to the confines of light and darkness.

Young's Literal Translation
A limit He hath placed on the waters, Unto the boundary of light with darkness.


At best they use circle not sphere and many do not even use that.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:54 pm

Crossikination wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Unfortunately they seem to have left. I still haven't gotten a clear definition of kind. Are wolves and dogs a kind? What about foxes and wolves? Are fish a kind?

I think it is like a family of animals


Are you using family in the biological usage?
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Postby Crossikination » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:54 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Crossikination wrote:So what exactly is she?


Not sure what you mean what is she.

Do you agree we are mammals?

Why don't you tell me what version of the bible you use.

New King James Version

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:55 pm

Crossikination wrote:
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Not sure what you mean what is she.

Do you agree we are mammals?

Why don't you tell me what version of the bible you use.

New King James Version


The notoriously horrible translation? Why?

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Postby Crossikination » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:55 pm

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Crossikination wrote:Because clearly it is irrelevent


How is it irrelevant when It directly shows you that the bible does indeed claim that the sun and the moon come on the fourth day which directly disproves your point. Please at least debate honestly.

Because it is the wrong bible

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:56 pm

Crossikination wrote:
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Very weak, easily refutable.

What is that supposed to mean? I gave you evidence and you are never satisfied


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Postby Crossikination » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:56 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Crossikination wrote:New King James Version


The notoriously horrible translation? Why?

How would you know anything about it when you are not even a christian?

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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:56 pm

Crossikination wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Not sure what you mean what is she.

Do you agree we are mammals?

Why don't you tell me what version of the bible you use.

New King James Version


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... rsion=NKJV

Funny the NKJV also says the sun and the moon came on the fourth day.
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Postby Sociobiology » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:57 pm

Crossikination wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Since we have a creationist here I am still wondering what a kind is. I have always wanted a clear and exact definition.

Oh yeah and still waiting for that verse that says the earth is a sphere.

Isaiah 40:22 and Job 26:10

חוּג means a flat circle, or a compass which was also a flat circle.

דּוּר would have meant sphere

try again.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:57 pm

Crossikination wrote:
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The notoriously horrible translation? Why?

How would you know anything about it when you are not even a christian?


One does not need to be Christian to read a text. One also does not need to be a Christian to know a bad translation of a text.
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Postby Crossikination » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:57 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Crossikination wrote:I think it is like a family of animals


Are you using family in the biological usage?

I don't know what kind means, it has something to do with relation

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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:58 pm

Crossikination wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
The notoriously horrible translation? Why?

How would you know anything about it when you are not even a christian?

Some people bother to inform themselves. I in fact often wonder why so many people have not read at leat the Bible, Quran and some Vedas.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:59 pm

Crossikination wrote:
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The notoriously horrible translation? Why?

How would you know anything about it when you are not even a christian?


A. I'm Catholic, not to boast of ourselves but our group has more street cred as Christianity than your Charismatic evangelical group.
B. I'm Theology student focusing on Hermeneutics and Exegesis, with three years under my belt. I'm not an expert, but I definitely have a workable knowledge of biblical translation.
C. One doesn't need to be a Christian to know anything about Christianity.

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:00 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Crossikination wrote:How would you know anything about it when you are not even a christian?

Some people bother to inform themselves. I in fact often wonder why so many people have not read at leat the Bible, Quran and some Vedas.


I honestly like to listen to the Quran in the back round when I work sometimes it's beautiful.

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Postby Crossikination » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:01 pm

Sociobiology wrote:
Crossikination wrote:Well clearly she isn't that famous if I haven't heard of her

or it shows just how ignorant you are.

How about it showing how ignorant you are, you clearly don't know the bible. So how am I any more ignorant than you?

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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:01 pm

Crossikination wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Are you using family in the biological usage?

I don't know what kind means, it has something to do with relation


In science words tend to have specific meaning family is a classification used within biology. They are indeed related. Using the scientific meaning of family means that all Great apes, including humans, are the same kind.
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