Does God Exist?

[Crossikination]

The rest of the Torah is irrelevant , it is not the same as the bible, and yes I did ignore the link

Why ignore the link? It might have useful info.

Because clearly it is irrelevent

[Neutraligon]

Human: Animalia, chordata, mamalia, primate, hominidae, homo, sapien.

Google hominidae.

Denying humans are apes is like denying blue whales are whales.

You, sir, are horribly uninformed. And for the record, I'm atheist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

From talk origins

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You are a metabolic organism.
As such, you are basically a collection of replicative proteins that function according to metabolic chemical reactions and processes. A virus is similar, in that it too is a replicative protein complete with mutable DNA and RNA, just as you have. But viruses lack metabolism, and so may not be considered to be alive in the same manner that you definitely are.

You are a eukaryote.
All remaining organic life is distinguished by structural differences at the cellular level between different groups of prokaryotes (which are essentially bacteria) and the eukaryotes (us). Unlike bacterial or viral cells, our cells have a nucleus. Hence, all non-viral / bacterial lifeforms are as we are; eukaryotes.

You are an animal.
Now I've heard a few creationists argue that there are plants and there are animals and then there are human beings. And that none of them are actually related to one another other than through a common creator. They adamantly argue that we are not animals, as if there is some insult in that association. But you are one of only about a half-dozen kingdoms of eukaryotic life forms. Unlike those of most other biological kingdoms, you are incapable of manufacturing your own food and must compensate for that by ingesting other organisms. In other words, your most basic structure requires that you cause death to other living things. Otherwise, you wouldn't have a means of digestion. This, along with some very specific anatomical differences in the chemical composition of our metazoic cells, are the factors that define and distinguish an animal like yourself from all other kingdoms of life. Given the alternative choice between plants, molds, or fungus, animalia should seem reasonable even to the most adamant fundamentalist.

You are a chordate.
You have a spinal chord and every other minute physical distinction of that classification. You also have a skull, which classifies you as a craniate. Note: Not all chordates have skulls, or even bones of any kind. Once one of the chordates has enough calcium deposited around the brain to count as a skull, all of its descendants will share that. This is why absolutely all animals with skulls have spinal chords. And that is yet another commonality that implies common ancestry as opposed to common design.

You are a vertebrate.
Like all mammals, birds, dinosaurs, reptiles, amphibians, and most fish, you have a spine. Not everything with a spinal cord has a spine to put it in, but everything with a spine has a spinal cord in it, implying common descent.

Every animal that has a jaw and teeth (Gnathostomata) also has a backbone. And of course, you have both as well, again implying common descent.

You are a tetrapod.
You have only four limbs. So you are like all other terrestrial vertebrates including frogs. Even snakes and whales are tetrapods in that both still retain vestigial or fetal evidence of all four limbs. This is yet another consistent commonality implying a genetic relationship. There certainly is no creationist explanation for it.

You are synapsid.
Unlike turtles (which are anapsid) and "true" reptiles, dinosaurs and birds (which are all diapsid), your skull has only one temporal fenestra, a commonality between all of the vast collection of "mammal-like reptiles", which are now all extinct without any Biblical recognition or scriptural explanation either for their departure or their presence in the first place.

You are a mammal.
You are homeothermic (warm-blooded), follicle-bearing and have lactal nipples. And of course, not all synapsids are or were mammals, but all mammals are synapsid, implying common descent.

You are eutherian.
Or more specifically, you are a placental mammal, like most other lactal animals from shrews to whales. All eutherians are mammals, but not all mammals are eutherian. There are six major divisions in mammalia, only three of which still exist; those that hatch out of eggs like reptiles (monotremes), marsupials, that are born in the fetal stage and complete their development inside the mother's pouch, and those that developed in a shell-like placenta and were born in the infant stage, as you were. Your own fetal development seems to reveal a similar track of development from a single cell to a tadpole-looking creature, then growing limbs and digits out of your finlike appendages, and finally outgrowing your own tail. Some would consider this an indication of ancestry. Especially since fetal snakes, for example, actually have legs, feet, and cute little toes, which are reabsorbed into the body before hatching, implying common descent.

You are a primate.
You have five fully-developed fingers and five fully-developed toes. Your toes are still prehensile and your hands can grasp with dexterity. You have only two lactal nipples and they are on your chest as opposed to your abdomen. These are pointless in males, which also have a pendulous penis and a well-developed ceacum or appendix, unlike all other mammals. Although your fangs are reduced in size, you do still have them along with some varied dentition indicative of primates exclusively. Your fur is thin and relatively sparse over most of your body. And your claws have been reduced to flat chitinous fingernails. Your fingers themselves have distinctive print patterns. You are also susceptible to AIDS and are mortally allergic to the toxin of the male funnel web spider of Australia (which is deadly to all primates, but only dangerous to primates, which is why you'd better beware of these spiders). And unlike all but one unrelated animal in all the world, your body cannot produce vitamin-C naturally and must have it supplemented in your diet, just as all other primates do. Nearly every one of these individual traits are unique only to primates exclusively. There is almost no other organism on Earth that matches any one of these descriptions separately, but absolutely all of the lemurs, tarsiers, monkeys, apes, you, and I match all of them at once perfectly, implying common descent.

You are an ape.
Your tail is merely a stub of bones that don't even protrude outside the skin. Your dentition includes not only vestigial canines, but incisors, cuspids, bicuspids, and distinctive molars that come to five points interrupted by a "Y" shaped crevasse. This in addition to all of your other traits, like the dramatically increased range of motion in your shoulder, as well as a profound increase in cranial capacity and disposition toward a bipedal gait, indicates that you are not merely a vertebrate cranial chordate and a tetrapoidal placental mammalian primate, but you are more specifically an ape, and so was your mother before you.

[Kainesia]

Human: Animalia, chordata, mamalia, primate, hominidae, homo, sapien.

Google hominidae.

Denying humans are apes is like denying blue whales are whales.

You, sir, are horribly uninformed. And for the record, I'm atheist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

What in particular have I got wrong? Humans are hominidae, hominidae are great apes.

[Neutraligon]

Why ignore the link? It might have useful info.

Because clearly it is irrelevent

How is it irrelevant when It directly shows you that the bible does indeed claim that the sun and the moon come on the fourth day which directly disproves your point. Please at least debate honestly.

[New DeCapito]

You, sir, are horribly uninformed. And for the record, I'm atheist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

What in particular have I got wrong? Humans are hominidae, hominidae are great apes.

Oh... thanks guys

[Crossikination]

What do you mean like Lucy?

...You don't know who Lucy is? You seriously need to do some research. She is just one of the most famous of the transitional fossils we have found.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus_afarensis

Well clearly she isn't that famous if I haven't heard of her

[Kainesia]

Because clearly it is irrelevent

How is it irrelevant when It directly shows you that the bible does indeed claim that the sun and the moon come on the fourth day.

The fact that the bible claims the earth was made before the sun is a bit of a problem on its own, screw the fourth day.

[New DeCapito]

...You don't know who Lucy is? You seriously need to do some research. She is just one of the most famous of the transitional fossils we have found.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus_afarensis

Well clearly she isn't that famous if I haven't heard of her

If this is the strongest argument you can make, I fear you have no serious argument to make.
Apart from that, fallacy: appeal to popular opinion.

[Kainesia]

What in particular have I got wrong? Humans are hominidae, hominidae are great apes.

Oh... thanks guys

No, seriously I want to know what you think I got wrong.

[Highfort]

...You don't know who Lucy is? You seriously need to do some research. She is just one of the most famous of the transitional fossils we have found.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus_afarensis

Well clearly she isn't that famous if I haven't heard of her

Her fame and importance as one of the fossils of our ancestors far exceeds the paltry necessity for her to be heard of by you.

[Neutraligon]

What in particular have I got wrong? Humans are hominidae, hominidae are great apes.

Oh... thanks guys

There are a few (but rare) scientists who claim that all Simiforms are monkeys (although this is far more controversial).

[Sexually Liberated Marshmallows]

...You don't know who Lucy is? You seriously need to do some research. She is just one of the most famous of the transitional fossils we have found.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus_afarensis

Well clearly she isn't that famous if I haven't heard of her

Nah, she's pretty famous. One of, perhaps, our earliest ancestors that we know of.

[New DeCapito]

Oh... thanks guys

No, seriously I want to know what you think I got wrong.

I thought for a moment you were referring to a modern-day ape, if such a thing exists as a single species.

[Kainesia]

...You don't know who Lucy is? You seriously need to do some research. She is just one of the most famous of the transitional fossils we have found.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus_afarensis

Well clearly she isn't that famous if I haven't heard of her

I have not heard about it= doesn't hold any scientific significance.

Seems legit.

[Neutraligon]

...You don't know who Lucy is? You seriously need to do some research. She is just one of the most famous of the transitional fossils we have found.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus_afarensis

Well clearly she isn't that famous if I haven't heard of her

Since again she is one of the most famous transitional forms for the human line your failure to hear about her is a fault of your own or your education. Also nice fallacy there. Now that you have heard of her look her and the other transitional forms up, we have a lot of them.

[Neutraligon]

No, seriously I want to know what you think I got wrong.

I thought for a moment you were referring to a modern-day ape, if such a thing exists as a single species.

There is no such species. Ape is an umbrella grouping.

[New DeCapito]

I thought for a moment you were referring to a modern-day ape, if such a thing exists as a single species.

There is no such species. Apes is an umbrella grouping.

Oh, thanks. The more you know...

[Neutraligon]

Since we have a creationist here I am still wondering what a kind is. I have always wanted a clear and exact definition.

Oh yeah and still waiting for that verse that says the earth is a sphere.

[Kainesia]

No, seriously I want to know what you think I got wrong.

I thought for a moment you were referring to a modern-day ape, if such a thing exists as a single species.

Ape is not a species, it's not even a family of species.

Hominidae (great ape) IS a family of species including orang-utans, humans gorillas, chimpanzees and bonobos.

Hominoidea (ape) is a superfamily that includes the lesser apes (gibbons) as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape

[New DeCapito]

Since we have a creationist here I am still wondering what a kind is. I have always wanted a clear and exact definition.

Kind? As in:
1. A type of thing (kind of thing), or
2. The bread and wine at communion.

[Neutraligon]

Since we have a creationist here I am still wondering what a kind is. I have always wanted a clear and exact definition.

Kind? As in:
1. A type of thing (kind of thing), or
2. The bread and wine at communion.

In the bible it says each is made after its own kind, so I want a clear definition of kind.

[Crossikination]

Well clearly she isn't that famous if I haven't heard of her

Since again she is one of the most famous transitional forms for the human line your failure to hear about her is a fault of your own or your education. Also nice fallacy there. Now that you have heard of her look her and the other transitional forms up, we have a lot of them.

So what exactly is she?

[Crossikination]

Since we have a creationist here I am still wondering what a kind is. I have always wanted a clear and exact definition.

Oh yeah and still waiting for that verse that says the earth is a sphere.

I will get it to you soon

[Neutraligon]

Since again she is one of the most famous transitional forms for the human line your failure to hear about her is a fault of your own or your education. Also nice fallacy there. Now that you have heard of her look her and the other transitional forms up, we have a lot of them.

So what exactly is she?

Not sure what you mean what is she.

Do you agree we are mammals?

Why don't you tell me what version of the bible you use.

[Kainesia]

Since again she is one of the most famous transitional forms for the human line your failure to hear about her is a fault of your own or your education. Also nice fallacy there. Now that you have heard of her look her and the other transitional forms up, we have a lot of them.

So what exactly is she?

A hominid ape, not part of the homo genus, but the closest non-homo ape to be related to the homo genus.

It is possible that this was a pre-homo genus, or shared a very recent common ancestor with the homo genus.