Does God Exist?

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

All i'm saying is in a real debate you wouldn't see people saying things like this.

Then you've never seen a debate with Matt Dilahunty.

If you were debating a Neo-Nazi, would you refrain from pointing out the ways in which Hitler was evil?

Or is it just the mild profanity that makes you blush?

[The Empire of Masyaf]

All i'm saying is in a real debate you wouldn't see people saying things like this.

Then you've never seen a debate with Matt Dilahunty.

If you were debating a Neo-Nazi, would you refrain from pointing out the ways in which Hitler was evil?

Or is it just the mild profanity that makes you blush?

but how are the above statements I quoted really explaining anything, to me it just sounds like trash talk.
And profanity never helps but i am guilty of it myself so I can't talk.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

but how are the above statements I quoted really explaining anything, to me it just sounds like trash talk.
And profanity never helps but i am guilty of it myself so I can't talk.

Atheist arguments aren't explanations, they are challenges to religious explanations.

Atheism does not entail anything other than the lack of belief in any gods.

You have a belief that the God figure in the Bible is a moral figure. We are challenging that belief by pointing out that, by his actions in that book, he seems villainous to us.

[The Empire of Masyaf]

animosity? I'm just describing the character accurately, I don't have anymore animosity to Yahwey than I do Voldemort, Grendel, or Skeletor.
They are all reprehensible monsters, that's their characters.

The others at least have the excuse of maybe being reprehensible in order to obtain power to use in ways they think are for the greater good.
Yahweh is all powerful and still a dick.

But this isn't challenging anything in the bible, this is just saying how much of a dick Yahweh is.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

But this isn't challenging anything in the bible, this is just saying how much of a dick Yahweh is.

What you quoted is referring to a number of well known atheist arguments. Most of us in this thread know a lot of the arguments on all sides pretty well, and will often refer to them by shorthand.

Also what you quoted was essentially commentary between atheists, not really a formal argument. I've tried to back it up with specifics from the bible, but you've ignored me.

[The Empire of Masyaf]

But this isn't challenging anything in the bible, this is just saying how much of a dick Yahweh is.

What you quoted is referring to a number of well known atheist arguments. Most of us in this thread know a lot of the arguments on all sides pretty well, and will often refer to them by shorthand.

Also what you quoted was essentially commentary between atheists, not really a formal argument. I've tried to back it up with specifics from the bible, but you've ignored me.

Well I am unfamiliar with these arguments, sorry. And yesterday I got caught up in this and stopped paying attention to your arguments. If you would like to fill me in on where we left off i'll keep going, if not i'll go.

[Sociobiology]

The others at least have the excuse of maybe being reprehensible in order to obtain power to use in ways they think are for the greater good.
Yahweh is all powerful and still a dick.

All i'm saying is in a real debate you wouldn't see people saying things like this.

clearly you've never had a debate were people make unsubstantiated claims.

as soon as someone starts trying to claim a character as a moral authority one of the correct responses is pointing out how they are not.

If someone claimed Conan was a moral paragon, you might point out he was fairly racist.

[Sociobiology]

You're still equating respect for beliefs with respect for people.

If we didn't respect you, we wouldn't be trying to convince you that you were wrong. We would just write you off as part of the ignorant masses like the original enlightenment thinkers did.

True, but if I just came in and said "Atheism is stupid", wouldn't that make anyone the least bit upset?

that would depend on whether you could back up your claim.


Stoning non conformists is part of science. Stoning conformists is also part of science. Only those theories that can stand up to a merciless barrage of stones deserve consideration. It is the Creationist habit of throwing marshmallows that we find annoying. --- Dr Pepper

[Neutraligon]

True, but if I just came in and said "Atheism is stupid", wouldn't that make anyone the least bit upset?

that would depend on whether you could back up your claim.


Stoning non conformists is part of science. Stoning conformists is also part of science. Only those theories that can stand up to a merciless barrage of stones deserve consideration. It is the Creationist habit of throwing marshmallows that we find annoying. --- Dr Pepper

You think what the creationists are throwing is marshmallows?

[Sociobiology]

that would depend on whether you could back up your claim.


Stoning non conformists is part of science. Stoning conformists is also part of science. Only those theories that can stand up to a merciless barrage of stones deserve consideration. It is the Creationist habit of throwing marshmallows that we find annoying. --- Dr Pepper

You think what the creationists are throwing is marshmallows?

yes, a few are deluded into thinking they are rocks, but they are throwing marshmallows. I have yet to here as creationist argument that even comes close to being a rock.

most of them are not even critiques they are just basic misunderstandings of science.

[The Creepoc Infinite]

I AM BAAAAAAAAACK.
back in black.

Okay, can anyone give me an update??

And is anyone up to discussing whether or not the bible is literally true?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I AM BAAAAAAAAACK.
back in black.

Okay, can anyone give me an update??

God appeared on this forum yesterday, in all his glory. All Atheists have turned Mormon in His light. All Christians thought it was a scam and became instant Atheist. So, the sides have flipped, but the same argument is still ongoing.

I mean, look at the biological make-up of life. How could something so complex come to be by chance? I don't think it can.

[The Creepoc Infinite]

I AM BAAAAAAAAACK.
back in black.

Okay, can anyone give me an update??

God appeared on this forum yesterday, in all his glory. All Atheists have turned Mormon in His light. All Christians thought it was a scam and became instant Atheist. So, the sides have flipped, but the same argument is still ongoing.

I mean, look at the biological make-up of life. How could something so complex come to be by chance? I don't think it can.

Yes it can when you have the inevitability of complex life occurring.

[Washington Resistance Army]

God appeared on this forum yesterday, in all his glory. All Atheists have turned Mormon in His light. All Christians thought it was a scam and became instant Atheist. So, the sides have flipped, but the same argument is still ongoing.

I mean, look at the biological make-up of life. How could something so complex come to be by chance? I don't think it can.

Yes it can when you have the inevitability of complex life occurring.

No, God made everything.

[The Creepoc Infinite]

Yes it can when you have the inevitability of complex life occurring.

No, God made everything.

No, man made god up.
Unless god is the universe.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

No, God made everything.

No, man made god up.
Unless god is the universe.

But it's right there, in the Bible. In six days, God created the universe.

[The Creepoc Infinite]

No, man made god up.
Unless god is the universe.

But it's right there, in the Bible. In six days, God created the universe.

Easy, the bible is an anthology of mythology ripped off of older mythology and/or inspired by true events and people.

[Planita]

But it's right there, in the Bible. In six days, God created the universe.

Easy, the bible is an anthology of mythology ripped off of older mythology and/or inspired by true events and people.

anyone want to bet?

[Crossikination]

No, God made everything.

No, man made god up.
Unless god is the universe.

I believe that god did create the universe. If he didn't, then what did??

[The Creepoc Infinite]

No, man made god up.
Unless god is the universe.

I believe that god did create the universe. If he didn't, then what did??

I dunno, maybe the universe technically always existed?
For example, there is no "outside of time" or "outside of existence"
To create the universe you would have to "outside of it" but that's impossible.
If god is those things, then he, by definition, doesn't exist.

[Crossikination]

Easy, the bible is an anthology of mythology ripped off of older mythology and/or inspired by true events and people.

anyone want to bet?

The people wouldn't know anything about the world and wouldn't have the intelligence to write such a book that has proved theories of science (that we today have created) wrong again and again. Only by the power of God through man could happen.

[Crossikination]

I believe that god did create the universe. If he didn't, then what did??

I dunno, maybe the universe technically always existed?
For example, there is no "outside of time" or "outside of existence"
To create the universe you would have to "outside of it" but that's impossible.
If god is those things, then he, by definition, doesn't exist.

If the universe has always existed, then why don't we have infinite history about it and clear details on how it developed?

[The Creepoc Infinite]

anyone want to bet?

The people wouldn't know anything about the world and wouldn't have the intelligence to write such a book that has proved theories of science (that we today have created) wrong again and again. Only by the power of God through man could happen.

... In your opinion.
So explain HOW god does this "through" man.

And explain how people living in straw huts thousands of years ago seemed to know MORE than we know now.

[The Creepoc Infinite]

I dunno, maybe the universe technically always existed?
For example, there is no "outside of time" or "outside of existence"
To create the universe you would have to "outside of it" but that's impossible.
If god is those things, then he, by definition, doesn't exist.

If the universe has always existed, then why don't we have infinite history about it and clear details on how it developed?

Technically it is infinite.
There was no "before" the Big Bang.
Because for there to be a before or even a cause, time must exist by necessity, and all time is contained within the universe.

[Crossikination]

The people wouldn't know anything about the world and wouldn't have the intelligence to write such a book that has proved theories of science (that we today have created) wrong again and again. Only by the power of God through man could happen.

... In your opinion.
So explain HOW god does this "through" man.

And explain how people living in straw huts thousands of years ago seemed to know MORE than we know now.

That is exactly my point. The people of the earliest civilizations don't know anything. Other than what God has put in their heads to write the bible that we know today. Only god knows more than we do, therefore, everything that came true in the bible came from the almighty God.there is something called special revaluation, everything that man wrote down in the bible came from god, through spiritual events.