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Postby Risottia » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:26 am

Zamri1138 wrote:WHETHER U GUYS BELIEVE IT OR NOT....THE ONE N ONLY GOD DOES EXIST...BECAUSE IF DONT....WE HUMAN,ANIMAL,ANGEL,GHOST,JIN,SATAN,AND THE LAST ONE PLANTS WILL NEVER EXIST UNTIL NOW EVEN THE UNIVERSE.OBSERVE THE GALAXY,AS U GUYS KNOW...THE GALAXY KEEP EXPANDING WITHOUT LIMIT...IS IT AIN'T ENOUGH TO PROVE GOD EXIST?.(ALMOST FORGOT...ALIEN AND ANY OTHER CREATURES THAT GOD CREATED BUT BEING KEPT SECRET BY HIMSELF)


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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:27 am

Creepoc Infinite wrote:
Zamri1138 wrote:first of all i want to say..u are stupid because u dont believe me and the second one i serious for what im saying above.

I really don't have time for you. You're not right and god doesn't exist


Oh God does exist.




















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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:27 am

I do not believe any deity exists because there is no reasonable or logical support behind the claims of their existence.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:28 am

Zamri1138 wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Those really don't exist... Not outside of Christian theology, anyway.
Yes they exist...for everything i said above.


So you're just going to engage in "NO U" arguments?

Such a deep conversation we're having here. Anyways no, he doesn't exist and neither do Angels, Ghosts, Jin, or Satan.
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Postby Jute » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:28 am

Creepoc Infinite wrote:
Jute wrote:Not true as a science handbook obviously, but that doesn't mean the morals of the New Testament aren't true, or that the reports about the history of the people of Salomon are completely fictional, for example. In fact, they're with care and some source-criticism sometimes used as a historical source, as I already mentioned.

I personally see the bible as allegorical with a bunch of morons who see it as literal.
The main reason why the bible is not historically accurate is because it's allegory, but the fact that it's allegory doesn't lend it any credibility. The bible has plagiarized older religious texts and historical texts and that's a fact.

Well, then you agree with the Catholics and orthodox Christians as well as most evangelical ones on that. And mostly with me, too, actually.
That might be true, but some part still have some credibility as a historical source, at least that is what I learned as a history student. And even being historically inaccurate or plagiarizing doesn't necessarily make the teachings of it less true, in my opinion. It'd still have some value, even assuming it's not a holy book, and I think not just for historians. (I personally don't make any claims whether or not the Bible is a holy book, by the way)
You can disagree with them of course, but not because of that reason. But I'm pretty sure you wouldn't disagree with all of them.
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When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
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that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...The notion that science
and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
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Postby Creepoc Infinite » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:29 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Zamri1138 wrote:Yes they exist...for everything i said above.


So you're just going to engage in "NO U" arguments?

Such a deep conversation we're having here. Anyways no, he doesn't exist and neither do Angels, Ghosts, Jin, or Satan.

Is it possible to kick him off the thread?
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Postby Zamri1138 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:30 am

Creepoc Infinite wrote:
Zamri1138 wrote:first of all i want to say..u are stupid because u dont believe me and the second one i serious for what im saying above.

I really don't have time for you. You're not right and god doesn't exist
ok fined.up to you whether to believe me or not but im still believe for what i thinking.

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Postby Ammar » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:30 am

Benuty wrote:
Text People wrote:Maybe he created himself. :D

That's what people say about the big bang, sort of.

Or the great two destroyed themselves thus sparking creation :P.

This seems logical.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:30 am

Creepoc Infinite wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
So you're just going to engage in "NO U" arguments?

Such a deep conversation we're having here. Anyways no, he doesn't exist and neither do Angels, Ghosts, Jin, or Satan.

Is it possible to kick him off the thread?

Unfortunately, no. Unless he breaks a rule and a mod delivers sweet justice.
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Postby Jute » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:32 am

Creepoc Infinite wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Now you're speaking as if Religion is a conscious entity. It sounds... paranoid.

Nope nope nope, what I mean is if religious people are trying to control government or trying to take responsibility, we should shoot that down.
No religious anything should be tied to any institution with influence over the public

Although I tend to agree with the last sentence, I think that should apply to other things, like political ideologies, too. So when a political party tries to ban all or some parties without any reason, we should fight against that, too.
But having church and government separate is generally, in most cases, a good idea, yes.
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Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...The notion that science
and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
"A rejection of all philosophy is in itself philosophy."

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:33 am

Zamri1138 wrote:WHETHER U GUYS BELIEVE IT OR NOT....THE ONE N ONLY GOD DOES EXIST...BECAUSE IF DONT....WE HUMAN,ANIMAL,ANGEL,GHOST,JIN,SATAN,AND THE LAST ONE PLANTS WILL NEVER EXIST UNTIL NOW EVEN THE UNIVERSE.OBSERVE THE GALAXY,AS U GUYS KNOW...THE GALAXY KEEP EXPANDING WITHOUT LIMIT...IS IT AIN'T ENOUGH TO PROVE GOD EXIST?.(ALMOST FORGOT...ALIEN AND ANY OTHER CREATURES THAT GOD CREATED BUT BEING KEPT SECRET BY HIMSELF)


Bro, do you even grammar?
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- Religious freedom
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- Fascism/Nazism
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Postby Zamri1138 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:35 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Zamri1138 wrote:Yes they exist...for everything i said above.


So you're just going to engage in "NO U" arguments?

Such a deep conversation we're having here. Anyways no, he doesn't exist and neither do Angels, Ghosts, Jin, or Satan.
first of all im not looking for arguments and second try to type on youtube about ghost,jin,angels and the satan.even many peoples witness the existence of Alien.

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Postby Inzijard » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:37 am

Zamri1138 wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
So you're just going to engage in "NO U" arguments?

Such a deep conversation we're having here. Anyways no, he doesn't exist and neither do Angels, Ghosts, Jin, or Satan.
first of all im not looking for arguments and second try to type on youtube about ghost,jin,angels and the satan.even many peoples witness the existence of Alien.


I could also find plenty of evidence for the Earth being flat on Youtube. That isn't saying much.
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Postby Ammar » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:38 am

Zamri1138 wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
So you're just going to engage in "NO U" arguments?

Such a deep conversation we're having here. Anyways no, he doesn't exist and neither do Angels, Ghosts, Jin, or Satan.
first of all im not looking for arguments and second try to type on youtube about ghost,jin,angels and the satan.even many peoples witness the existence of Alien.

You're not looking for arguments, yet post something like that?
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Postby Zamri1138 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:38 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Zamri1138 wrote:WHETHER U GUYS BELIEVE IT OR NOT....THE ONE N ONLY GOD DOES EXIST...BECAUSE IF DONT....WE HUMAN,ANIMAL,ANGEL,GHOST,JIN,SATAN,AND THE LAST ONE PLANTS WILL NEVER EXIST UNTIL NOW EVEN THE UNIVERSE.OBSERVE THE GALAXY,AS U GUYS KNOW...THE GALAXY KEEP EXPANDING WITHOUT LIMIT...IS IT AIN'T ENOUGH TO PROVE GOD EXIST?.(ALMOST FORGOT...ALIEN AND ANY OTHER CREATURES THAT GOD CREATED BUT BEING KEPT SECRET BY HIMSELF)


Bro, do you even grammar?
sorry im not highly educated like u but i try to make "perfect grammar" next time.

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Postby Regenburg » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:38 am

Zamri1138 wrote:WHETHER U GUYS BELIEVE IT OR NOT....THE ONE N ONLY GOD DOES EXIST...BECAUSE IF DONT....WE HUMAN,ANIMAL,ANGEL,GHOST,JIN,SATAN,AND THE LAST ONE PLANTS WILL NEVER EXIST UNTIL NOW EVEN THE UNIVERSE.OBSERVE THE GALAXY,AS U GUYS KNOW...THE GALAXY KEEP EXPANDING WITHOUT LIMIT...IS IT AIN'T ENOUGH TO PROVE GOD EXIST?.(ALMOST FORGOT...ALIEN AND ANY OTHER CREATURES THAT GOD CREATED BUT BEING KEPT SECRET BY HIMSELF)
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Postby Ammar » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:39 am

Zamri1138 wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Bro, do you even grammar?
sorry im not highly educated like u but i try to make "perfect grammar" next time.

Highly educated? Don't you mean fluent?
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Postby Jute » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:39 am

Creepoc Infinite wrote:
Jute wrote:Well, a lot of things causes plenty of other problems. That isn't limited to religion. Take a hammer for example. In the wrong hands, a potentially lethal weapon. In other hands, a tool build shelters for a family. Same with guns, knifes, cars, and so on.
And some problems might be more prevalent in religion, but that doesn't make them inherent to it. You can have religion without homophobia, as I said there are both homosexual who are Christians and pastors who are homosexual. And other religions have no problem with homosexuality whatsoever, for example the classical Greek pantheon.
And the stigma of atheists is I'd imagine a different form of people being suspicious towards other people that are not like them. I would say it's not right either, but blaming religion for that isn't right either. Two wrongs don't make a right.

The prime discriminatory against atheists always seem to be Christian apologists or religious people in general. I'm not blaming religion, I blame the tribal mentality against atheists that religion has unintentionally caused in America

That's unfortunately a problem that exists in some parts of America, and some other countries in the world, yes. But it's mostly different in Europe, where people are more the opposite, skeptical often of both politics and the church. There you don't get any stigma as an atheist, as far as I know (and I live there), but religion is mostly tolerated, too. So that shows that atheists and religious people can live with each other in a tolerant way. I wish that were true for America and the other countries where that stigma exists, too.
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Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...The notion that science
and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
"A rejection of all philosophy is in itself philosophy."

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Postby Inzijard » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:39 am

Ammar wrote:
Zamri1138 wrote:first of all im not looking for arguments and second try to type on youtube about ghost,jin,angels and the satan.even many peoples witness the existence of Alien.

You're not looking for arguments, yet post something like that?


He's not looking for an argument, he just wants to be accepted as correct based on dubious presupposition.
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Postby Zamri1138 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:42 am

Ammar wrote:
Zamri1138 wrote:first of all im not looking for arguments and second try to type on youtube about ghost,jin,angels and the satan.even many peoples witness the existence of Alien.

You're not looking for arguments, yet post something like that?
if u think that above i write was a "argument" then im sorry...and anybody who feel the same as you.(i just expressing my "does god exist" view)

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Zamri1138 wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Bro, do you even grammar?
sorry im not highly educated like u but i try to make "perfect grammar" next time.


...is English your second language? I have seen no proof for the existence of angels, ghosts, jin(?), or satan. Prove the universe was created by god... And... the galaxy would keep expanding without limits...says who? Also, how would that be evidence of a god?
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Soldati senza confini wrote:
Zamri1138 wrote:WHETHER U GUYS BELIEVE IT OR NOT....THE ONE N ONLY GOD DOES EXIST...BECAUSE IF DONT....WE HUMAN,ANIMAL,ANGEL,GHOST,JIN,SATAN,AND THE LAST ONE PLANTS WILL NEVER EXIST UNTIL NOW EVEN THE UNIVERSE.OBSERVE THE GALAXY,AS U GUYS KNOW...THE GALAXY KEEP EXPANDING WITHOUT LIMIT...IS IT AIN'T ENOUGH TO PROVE GOD EXIST?.(ALMOST FORGOT...ALIEN AND ANY OTHER CREATURES THAT GOD CREATED BUT BEING KEPT SECRET BY HIMSELF)


Those really don't exist... Not outside of Christian theology, anyway.

Oh, they do, in countless other theologies. And some atheists actually believe in some of these, too. One Atheist even mentioned some scientific proof for ghost earlier on in the thread :P
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Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...The notion that science
and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
"A rejection of all philosophy is in itself philosophy."

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Postby Zamri1138 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:43 am

Regenburg wrote:
Zamri1138 wrote:WHETHER U GUYS BELIEVE IT OR NOT....THE ONE N ONLY GOD DOES EXIST...BECAUSE IF DONT....WE HUMAN,ANIMAL,ANGEL,GHOST,JIN,SATAN,AND THE LAST ONE PLANTS WILL NEVER EXIST UNTIL NOW EVEN THE UNIVERSE.OBSERVE THE GALAXY,AS U GUYS KNOW...THE GALAXY KEEP EXPANDING WITHOUT LIMIT...IS IT AIN'T ENOUGH TO PROVE GOD EXIST?.(ALMOST FORGOT...ALIEN AND ANY OTHER CREATURES THAT GOD CREATED BUT BEING KEPT SECRET BY HIMSELF)
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Postby Inzijard » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:45 am

Zamri1138 wrote:
Ammar wrote:You're not looking for arguments, yet post something like that?
if u think that above i write was a "argument" then im sorry...and anybody who feel the same as you.(i just expressing my "does god exist" view)


Definitionally, what you did write was an argument. It was just a very poor argument. You proposed a claim, but backed it with fallacious, axiomatic logic and no credible sources. You're certainly welcome to your opinion, but the tone of your suggestion and the extent of your (rather ineffective) 'evidence' was sufficient to warrant due opposition.
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Postby Zamri1138 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:45 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Zamri1138 wrote:sorry im not highly educated like u but i try to make "perfect grammar" next time.


...is English your second language? I have seen no proof for the existence of angels, ghosts, jin(?), or satan. Prove the universe was created by god... And... the galaxy would keep expanding without limits...says who? Also, how would that be evidence of a god?
see on youtube if u dont believe me bro....

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