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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:21 am

New Boozland wrote:
Creepoc Infinite wrote:No, you don't get it.
This purple unicorn, we don't know the properties of it, therefore we can't disprove it.

But we do know the properties of the christian god because of the bible. If you can prove that the bible is wrong, then the god of the bible is wrong


I don't have to prove them wrong. They have to prove that they are in fact a purple unicorn which they can't


Well what do you call that selfie then?
And do you have to prove your claims too?
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Postby The Jasminia Islands » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:21 am

Creepoc Infinite wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
I'm a purple unicorn. Prove me wrong.


Incidentally, most of those gods can be disproven.

No, you don't get it.
This purple unicorn, we don't know the properties of it, therefore we can't disprove it.

But we do know the properties of the christian god because of the bible. If you can prove that the bible is wrong, then the god of the bible is wrong

But how can you know the properties of the Christian God? I don't think you can.
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Postby New Boozland » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:21 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
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I already proved you wrong because purple unicorns don't exist. You can't prove it either


If that's true then what do you call this selfie I took?
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/ ... 4gtyan.png

Clearly, my claims are exactly as good as your creationist ones.


That is a drawing. There is actual evidence of God
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:22 am

New Boozland wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
If that's true then what do you call this selfie I took?
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/ ... 4gtyan.png

Clearly, my claims are exactly as good as your creationist ones.


That is a drawing. There is actual evidence of God


Oh really? Can you PROVE it's just a drawing?!
What evidence? Can you show me?
And tell me what the difference is?
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:22 am

New Boozland wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
If that's true then what do you call this selfie I took?
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/ ... 4gtyan.png

Clearly, my claims are exactly as good as your creationist ones.


That is a drawing. There is actual evidence of God

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:22 am

New Boozland wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
If that's true then what do you call this selfie I took?
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/ ... 4gtyan.png

Clearly, my claims are exactly as good as your creationist ones.


That is a drawing. There is actual evidence of God


No, there isn't. There are things people attribute to a number of different gods but nothing that gives firm evidence of one.
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Postby Risottia » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:22 am

New Boozland wrote:
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Waiting for you to list them. Go on!


Most of them are in the link I posted


Which is a discredited site, as it relied on a blatant fallacy (aka strong anthropic principle).

Anything more serious?
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Postby Alexandreon » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:22 am

Generally speaking, I consider myself a pantheist with sympathy towards certain deities from different mythologies. I also kinda identify myself with visions stated by Stanisław Lem in his series of stories called "The Star Diaries", in one of them Lem created an interesting concept of a deity, which in order to preserve its omnipotence, does nothing, silently and meekly agreeing to everything that happens. It is becasue the every single intervention, miraculous act, may be debunked and ultimately it is impossible to the Deity to do anything, as doing Anything will mean reduction of itself.

That being said, I'd rather consider entire world as "sacred" or "divine", yet rather lacking a personality or will, and rather not in need to be worshipped, apart from simple enjoyment of the life.
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Postby Creepoc Infinite » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:22 am

New Boozland wrote:
Creepoc Infinite wrote:No, you don't get it.
This purple unicorn, we don't know the properties of it, therefore we can't disprove it.

But we do know the properties of the christian god because of the bible. If you can prove that the bible is wrong, then the god of the bible is wrong


I don't have to prove them wrong. They have to prove that they are in fact a purple unicorn which they can't

I know, but what i'm saying is the bible's definition of god can't be true because the the properties the bible defines as god are false, plagiarised contradictory to science, history and logic.
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Postby Risottia » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:23 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
New Boozland wrote:
That is a drawing. There is actual evidence of God


Oh really? Can you PROVE it's just a drawing?!


And by the way, what about claiming that it was drawn according to the divine inspiration of the Purple Unicorn?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:24 am

Creepoc Infinite wrote:
New Boozland wrote:
I don't have to prove them wrong. They have to prove that they are in fact a purple unicorn which they can't

I know, but what i'm saying is the bible's definition of god can't be true because the the properties the bible defines as god are false, plagiarised contradictory to science, history and logic.


Precisely this.
Omnipotence is self-contradictory.
Omniscience is self-contradictory.
Any entity to which either of these attributes are given cannot exist.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Risottia » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:24 am

New Boozland wrote:
Creepoc Infinite wrote:No, you don't get it.
This purple unicorn, we don't know the properties of it, therefore we can't disprove it.

But we do know the properties of the christian god because of the bible. If you can prove that the bible is wrong, then the god of the bible is wrong


I don't have to prove them wrong. They have to prove that they are in fact a purple unicorn which they can't


Now apply this reasoning to YOUR OWN deities and creed.
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Postby Creepoc Infinite » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:24 am

The Jasminia Islands wrote:
Creepoc Infinite wrote:No, you don't get it.
This purple unicorn, we don't know the properties of it, therefore we can't disprove it.

But we do know the properties of the christian god because of the bible. If you can prove that the bible is wrong, then the god of the bible is wrong

But how can you know the properties of the Christian God? I don't think you can.

The bible claims to. our understanding of what the christian god is is based off the dogma and philosophy and description found in the bible.

If god isn't matching the attributes laid out by the bible, it isn't the christian god by definition.
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Postby New Boozland » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:25 am

I'm going to go ahead and leave this thread due to the fact that no one will bother to try to refute my points and simply says that "God isn't real" without giving any evidence.
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Postby Creepoc Infinite » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:26 am

New Boozland wrote:I'm going to go ahead and leave this thread due to the fact that no one will bother to try to refute my points and simply says that "God isn't real" without giving any evidence.

What are you talking about?
ask your questions, if i haven't replied that means i already answered to someone else
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Postby New Boozland » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:26 am

Risottia wrote:
New Boozland wrote:
I don't have to prove them wrong. They have to prove that they are in fact a purple unicorn which they can't


Now apply this reasoning to YOUR OWN deities and creed.


Already did. You just won't read my claims nor bother to refute them
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:27 am

New Boozland wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Now apply this reasoning to YOUR OWN deities and creed.


Already did. You just won't read my claims nor bother to refute them


You havn't bothered to refute my claims about being a unicorn either. Maybe there is something ridiculous and stupid about the evidence we're both providing.
But that can't be right...
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby New Boozland » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:27 am

Creepoc Infinite wrote:
New Boozland wrote:I'm going to go ahead and leave this thread due to the fact that no one will bother to try to refute my points and simply says that "God isn't real" without giving any evidence.

What are you talking about?
ask your questions, if i haven't replied that means i already answered to someone else


I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about the purple unicorn idiots
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:27 am

Creepoc Infinite wrote:
New Boozland wrote:I'm going to go ahead and leave this thread due to the fact that no one will bother to try to refute my points and simply says that "God isn't real" without giving any evidence.

What are you talking about?
ask your questions, if i haven't replied that means i already answered to someone else

He posted some links to pages pruporting to prove the existence of God and I believe he'd like a point-by-point refutation of those.
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Postby Humo » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:27 am

New Boozland wrote:I'm going to go ahead and leave this thread due to the fact that no one will bother to try to refute my points and simply says that "God isn't real" without giving any evidence.


but it literally impossible to disprove god.

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Postby New Boozland » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:28 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
New Boozland wrote:
Already did. You just won't read my claims nor bother to refute them


You havn't bothered to refute my claims about being a unicorn either. Maybe there is something ridiculous and stupid about the evidence we're both providing.
But that can't be right...


Yes I did several times
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Postby The Jasminia Islands » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:28 am

Creepoc Infinite wrote:
The Jasminia Islands wrote:But how can you know the properties of the Christian God? I don't think you can.

The bible claims to. our understanding of what the christian god is is based off the dogma and philosophy and description found in the bible.

If god isn't matching the attributes laid out by the bible, it isn't the christian god by definition.

The Bible is limited because it is written by humans. It can only try to describe God but it is impossible for humans to define or comprehend God because he is so un-human. While the Bible tries its best to present God as what he is, it is always going to fall short.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:28 am

Humo wrote:
New Boozland wrote:I'm going to go ahead and leave this thread due to the fact that no one will bother to try to refute my points and simply says that "God isn't real" without giving any evidence.


but it literally impossible to disprove god.


Omnipotent -> Impossible. Rock too heavy.
Omniscient -> Impossible. Unknown Unknowns and whether they are known.
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Postby New Boozland » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:28 am

Humo wrote:
New Boozland wrote:I'm going to go ahead and leave this thread due to the fact that no one will bother to try to refute my points and simply says that "God isn't real" without giving any evidence.


but it literally impossible to disprove god.


Which would mean that he does exist
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