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Postby Fanosolia » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:40 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
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what's the difference? note that I think that many christian values align with humanitarian. So if the magical, divine give or occult power character is humanitarian what makes them evil?

They have Satanic powers.
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So Jesus used science to turn water to wine, kill a fig tree, walk on water, heal the sick and crippled, and come back from the dead?

He used His God powers, not magic.


But clearly if the person of some moral structure, why would it matter we're the powers came from?
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Postby Bunkeranlage » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:41 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
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Greater Weselton, will you address this?

I have never seen Lord of the Rings. I don't know how it portrays magic.


And yet you can come to this conclusion

"No character that teaches Christian values has "magical" powers.". That reflects a lot.
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Postby Greater Weselton » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:43 pm

Fanosolia wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:They have Satanic powers.
He used His God powers, not magic.


But clearly if the person of some moral structure, why would it matter we're the powers came from?

It matters because Satan is evil.
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Postby Amacia » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:43 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Amacia wrote:But you're insinuating something else.
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/beliefs ... acle.shtml

Yes, I'm insinuating that magic is magic whether or not you want to call your magic something else to get around the fact that you say all magic is evil.

Magic is controlling nature by your will, the power of God is his will controlling his creation. That's the difference, whether you buy it or not.
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Postby Republic of Libanon » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:44 pm

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The United Zones of the West wrote:Um, no. Christianity as we know it never had sacrifices. At least, sacrifices were not permitted in the Christian religion, according to the Bible.

I believe there was, something to do with the Old Covenant, sacrificing Lambs and all that. Could be wrong.

Plus, isn't god sacrificing his son kind of a big one?


Yes but it wasn’t to summon any demonic entities, it was to forgive sins.
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:45 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:
But clearly if the person of some moral structure, why would it matter we're the powers came from?

It matters because Satan is evil.

How can you prove that the magic is from Satan and not God?
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Postby Republic of Libanon » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:45 pm

Amacia wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Yes, I'm insinuating that magic is magic whether or not you want to call your magic something else to get around the fact that you say all magic is evil.

Magic is controlling nature by your will, the power of God is his will controlling his creation. That's the difference, whether you buy it or not.


Exactly.
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Postby Geanna » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:45 pm

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That hasn't died out yet,sauce

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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:45 pm

Amacia wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Yes, I'm insinuating that magic is magic whether or not you want to call your magic something else to get around the fact that you say all magic is evil.

Magic is controlling nature by your will, the power of God is his will controlling his creation. That's the difference, whether you buy it or not.

That is not the definition of magic.
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Postby Fanosolia » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:46 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:
But clearly if the person of some moral structure, why would it matter we're the powers came from?

It matters because Satan is evil.


How do we now that occult or other forms of magic uses come from Satan? How do we know the do not come from nature or with our selves? How do we know that god does not give us magic, if he is within all of us?
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Postby Fanosolia » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:47 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:It matters because Satan is evil.

How can you prove that the magic is from Satan and not God?


Or supernatural x (aka the force)
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:48 pm

Republic of Libanon wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:I believe there was, something to do with the Old Covenant, sacrificing Lambs and all that. Could be wrong.

Plus, isn't god sacrificing his son kind of a big one?


Yes but it wasn’t to summon any demonic entities, it was to forgive sins.

The end does not justify the means.
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Postby Amacia » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:48 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Bunkeranlage wrote:
Greater Weselton, will you address this?

I have never seen Lord of the Rings. I don't know how it portrays magic.

Then how do you know it's a Christian allegory?
Gandalf, a main character and protaganist (Tolkien has called him an "angel incarnate"), is a wizard.
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:48 pm

Fanosolia wrote:
Scomagia wrote:How can you prove that the magic is from Satan and not God?


Or supernatural x (aka the force)


Jesus is a Jedi? Sweet.
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Postby Greater Weselton » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:48 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:It matters because Satan is evil.

How can you prove that the magic is from Satan and not God?

God hates magic.
Fanosolia wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:It matters because Satan is evil.


How do we now that occult or other forms of magic uses come from Satan? How do we know the do not come from nature or with our selves? How do we know that god does not give us magic, if he is within all of us?

My source is the Bible.
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Postby Amacia » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:49 pm

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
Republic of Libanon wrote:
Yes but it wasn’t to summon any demonic entities, it was to forgive sins.

The end does not justify the means.

So you're a Vegetarian?
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Postby Fanosolia » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:49 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:
Or supernatural x (aka the force)


Jesus is a Jedi? Sweet.


I would want to see that so hard!
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:50 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:
what's the difference? note that I think that many christian values align with humanitarian. So if the magical, divine give or occult power character is humanitarian what makes them evil?

They have Satanic powers.
Gauthier wrote:
So Jesus used science to turn water to wine, kill a fig tree, walk on water, heal the sick and crippled, and come back from the dead?

He used His God powers, not magic.

God Powers, miracles, all just different names for magic. Calling it something different does not make it so.
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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:50 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Scomagia wrote:How can you prove that the magic is from Satan and not God?

God hates magic.

Which totally explains why he performs magic...
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:50 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:
Or supernatural x (aka the force)


Jesus is a Jedi? Sweet.

his light saber emits three blades in the shape of the cross.
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:51 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Scomagia wrote:How can you prove that the magic is from Satan and not God?

God hates magic.
Fanosolia wrote:
How do we now that occult or other forms of magic uses come from Satan? How do we know the do not come from nature or with our selves? How do we know that god does not give us magic, if he is within all of us?

My source is the Bible.

But he's okay with "God Powers" that you claimed Jesus used? Jesus could pass, I guess, being God the Son, but what about Moses? What was the parting of the Red Sea but magic? Was that more "God Powers"? Because it really seems like magic.
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:51 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:God hates magic.

Which totally explains why he performs magic...

No, no, you see, when you call it "miracles" it is a totally different concept.
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Postby Greater Weselton » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:52 pm

Amacia wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:I have never seen Lord of the Rings. I don't know how it portrays magic.

Then how do you know it's a Christian allegory?
Gandalf, a main character and protaganist (Tolkien has called him an "angel incarnate"), is a wizard.

I heard it was.
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:52 pm

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Which totally explains why he performs magic...

No, no, you see, when you call it "miracles" it is a totally different concept.

I believe Weselton's phraseology was "God Powers".
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:52 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Amacia wrote:Then how do you know it's a Christian allegory?
Gandalf, a main character and protaganist (Tolkien has called him an "angel incarnate"), is a wizard.

I heard it was.

Surprise, it actually isn't.
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