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Postby Des-Bal » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:35 pm

The thing about crazy people is that they're crazy. You can't ban the things that set them off because the problem was never the things but rather, the fact that they're crazy.
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Postby The United Zones of the West » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:36 pm

Alright, I have to go. I have other things to attend to. Farewell.
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Postby Fanosolia » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:36 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:
I mean just because a character has a magical power they're see as evil (at least by you) because they're "occult" even if they have christian values to teach?

No character that teaches Christian values has "magical" powers.


what's the difference? note that I think that many christian values align with humanitarian. So if the magical, divine give or occult power character is humanitarian what makes them evil?
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Postby Conkerials » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:36 pm

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Utceforp wrote:Good point. People have killed in the name of Jesus. I get it now.

People have also killed because their dog told them too.

This being my point.
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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:38 pm

The United Zones of the West wrote:
Utceforp wrote:What about prayer? Isn't that a ritual to "conjure up" something good for you?

Um, sort of. But it isn't conjuring up something. Prayer is thought of (by Christians) as merely talking to God. Although it can be used for requests when we want or need something. But it isn't a ritual, it is merely talking. Rituals, you have to be rather precise, but with prayer, it can be as formal or informal as you like. (I prefer it to be informal.)

Magic or sorcery is an attempt to understand, experience and influence the world using rituals, symbols, actions, gestures and language.

Prayer sounds like it fits the definition of magic to me...
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Postby Bunkeranlage » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:38 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:
I mean just because a character has a magical power they're see as evil (at least by you) because they're "occult" even if they have christian values to teach?

No character that teaches Christian values has "magical" powers.


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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:39 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:
I mean just because a character has a magical power they're see as evil (at least by you) because they're "occult" even if they have christian values to teach?

No character that teaches Christian values has "magical" powers.

So Jesus Christ doesn't teach christian values.
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Postby Utceforp » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:42 pm

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
Utceforp wrote:Good point. People have killed in the name of Jesus. I get it now.

People have also killed because their dog told them too.

Exactly. By the logic of the people who want to ban slenderman, we should ban Jesus and dogs.
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:43 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:
I mean just because a character has a magical power they're see as evil (at least by you) because they're "occult" even if they have christian values to teach?

No character that teaches Christian values has "magical" powers.


So Jesus used science to turn water to wine, kill a fig tree, walk on water, heal the sick and crippled, and come back from the dead?
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Postby Utceforp » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:43 pm

Bunkeranlage wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:No character that teaches Christian values has "magical" powers.


Ladies and Gentlemen, The Chronicles of Narnia

And Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit and the Silmarillion.
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Postby Conkerials » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:44 pm

Utceforp wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:People have also killed because their dog told them too.

Exactly. By the logic of the people who want to ban slenderman, we should ban Jesus and dogs.

I'm glad we're all on board with this. Let's go ahead and present our idea to the word.
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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:44 pm

Utceforp wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:People have also killed because their dog told them too.

Exactly. By the logic of the people who want to ban slenderman, we should ban Jesus and dogs.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:44 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:No character that teaches Christian values has "magical" powers.


So Jesus used science to turn water to wine, kill a fig tree, walk on water, heal the sick and crippled, and come back from the dead?


I've heard he was quite the scientist.
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Postby Bunkeranlage » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:44 pm

Utceforp wrote:
Bunkeranlage wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen, The Chronicles of Narnia

And Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit and the Silmarillion.


All of which were written by Christian men to promote Christian values, indirectly or directly. *nods*
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Postby Utceforp » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:46 pm

Bunkeranlage wrote:
Utceforp wrote:And Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit and the Silmarillion.


All of which were written by Christian men to promote Christian values, indirectly or directly. *nods*

Yep.
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Postby Amacia » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:51 pm

Utceforp wrote:
Amacia wrote:I just saw the end of the 20/20 special about the incident. While I might have missed something, from what I saw, I felt they were unfair to Slender Man. It seems when stuff like this happens "grown ups" can't tell the difference between saying, "this is inappropriate for children" and "IT'S ALWAYS BAD KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

That being said the guy interviewed a group of children and asked them if they ever wondered if Slender Man was real, 2 or 3 kids raised their hand. That's a little concerning, but Slendy still has his place, when he's not murdering.

Children tend to believe creepy stories are real. Children tend not to murder other children in the name of the creepy character they believe to be real, these girls were definitely outliers. I don't see why it's concerning aside from a general concern over people believing in the supernatural and impossible.

Well the last question he asked the kids was, "Do you tell your parents everything you do on the internet", and no one rose their hand (which is somewhat to be expected). And for good measure, some of these kids' parents were listening to this on a secret video outside the classroom and they were pretty concerned, one parent saying something like, "it's like the wild west when it comes to kids and the internet" or something.

They also said that the girl who was stabbed did tell her parents about Slender man, when the friends who would stab her tried to show her a game, and she got scared. I can understand everyone's concern involved, but still not knowing what else was said about Slender man makes me think it was too one sided. Kind of like this.
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Postby Amacia » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:11 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:
I mean just because a character has a magical power they're see as evil (at least by you) because they're "occult" even if they have christian values to teach?

No character that teaches Christian values has "magical" powers.

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Amacia wrote::cough:Lord of the Rings:cough:

Lord of the Rings is a Christian allegory.
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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:12 pm

Amacia wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:No character that teaches Christian values has "magical" powers.

Greater Weselton wrote:Lord of the Rings is a Christian allegory.

You missed the best example though... Jesus.
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Postby Amacia » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:23 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Amacia wrote:

You missed the best example though... Jesus.

I'm pointing out that the guy contradicted himself and was being a bit hypocritical.
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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:25 pm

Amacia wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:You missed the best example though... Jesus.

I'm pointing out that the guy contradicted himself and was being a bit hypocritical.

Oh, I know.
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Postby Amacia » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:29 pm

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Amacia wrote:I'm pointing out that the guy contradicted himself and was being a bit hypocritical.

Oh, I know.

But you're insinuating something else.
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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:31 pm

Amacia wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Oh, I know.

But you're insinuating something else.
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Yes, I'm insinuating that magic is magic whether or not you want to call your magic something else to get around the fact that you say all magic is evil.
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Postby Greater Weselton » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:35 pm

Fanosolia wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:No character that teaches Christian values has "magical" powers.


what's the difference? note that I think that many christian values align with humanitarian. So if the magical, divine give or occult power character is humanitarian what makes them evil?

They have Satanic powers.
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Greater Weselton wrote:No character that teaches Christian values has "magical" powers.


So Jesus used science to turn water to wine, kill a fig tree, walk on water, heal the sick and crippled, and come back from the dead?

He used His God powers, not magic.
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Postby Bunkeranlage » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:36 pm

Amacia wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:No character that teaches Christian values has "magical" powers.

Greater Weselton wrote:Lord of the Rings is a Christian allegory.


Greater Weselton, will you address this?
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Postby Greater Weselton » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:38 pm

Bunkeranlage wrote:
Amacia wrote:


Greater Weselton, will you address this?

I have never seen Lord of the Rings. I don't know how it portrays magic.
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