Will Dictatorships of the World be Toppled?

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Except it is unfounded.

Look around.They created the talibans and now they are fighting them.They are funding the Syrian rebels that turned into IS

That is not the "vast majority of wars". That is two prominent examples, among the hundreds of wars that occur.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

There are good dictatorships in theory. Not in the actual world today.

Though I agree, unless things are getting truly batshit insane and intervention is needed to save the population. Having a corrupt non-democratic government alone is not a valid reason for war.

China and Russia are doing pretty well. They have good dictators in charge of their economies, even though their methods are sometimes a bit harsh (but you can't deny they get things done for the greater good).

Eh, China I cannot argue with. Despite their autocratic, corrupt government their economy has been growing steadily. Putin however, I have gripes with.


My stance on dictators is that I heavily condemn them, but do not advocate armed conflict against them, I suppose.

[Lakimina]

No. 1.6 Billion people aren't in China, are they?
Or are you ignoring their own Demographics?

And so a military conflict that will kill untold thousands, possibly millions more is a good solution?

No, the internal conflicts that brew inside them will already kill them.
The Tibet, Kashmir, Bhutanese or Nepali claims aren't solving any of China's problems, nor are conflicts with the already communist Vietnam going to either.

[The Great Zedong Dynasty]

No. 1.6 Billion people aren't in China, are they?
Or are you ignoring their own Demographics?

And so a military conflict that will kill untold thousands, possibly millions more is a good solution?

Stopping and arresting the officials is the solution for bringing war criminal charges against the government

[Infected Mushroom]

China and Russia are doing pretty well. They have good dictators in charge of their economies, even though their methods are sometimes a bit harsh (but you can't deny they get things done for the greater good).

Eh, China I cannot argue with. Despite their autocratic, corrupt government their economy has been growing steadily. Putin however, I have gripes with.


My stance on dictators is that I heavily condemn them, but do not advocate armed conflict against them, I suppose.

I see...

[Communal Ecotopia]

I'm going to put this out on the table and then I want to point out that world dictatorships are getting out of control and torture and death runs rampant in the countries. I'm going to list some countries that should be fined for their war crimes.

Uzbekistan
Nepal
Iran
Eritrea
China
Iraq
Myanmar
Fiji (so far no violence against the people is yet documented)
Sudan
Turkmenistan
Russia
Belarus
Zimbabwe


I need more opinions on which dictatorships of the world should be invaded by NATO Forces or the World Powers. Should there be foreign help? Should other governments arm the oppressed?

Will they be overthrown? I think in the immediate future, signs point to "absolutely not". Most of the countries on your list are relatively stable autocracies (Iraq and, to some extent, Sudan) being exceptions. Should they be on human rights grounds? I'm tempted to say yes, but I'm not an advocate for nation-building exercises that create either instability, puppet regimes, or both. Now, arming the populace is a different story. That could be supportable.

[Dukats]

Look around.They created the talibans and now they are fighting them.They are funding the Syrian rebels that turned into IS

That is not the "vast majority of wars". That is two prominent examples, among the hundreds of wars that occur.

Sadam Hussein.They removed him and then created a 100 new problems.

And id you know that Ukraine gave rights to American oil companies to exploit oil and gas from east Ukraine before all this shit in Ukraine happened

[The United Peoples-]

I've been to China. It's not so bad there, as long as you keep your head down and don't break any laws, it's pretty good. Also, it's not a dictatorship, it's an oligarchy (A very large and corrupt oligarchy, but an oligarchy nonetheless). China is a lot better then how it was under Mao's rule (Which in my opinion, while Mao had good intentions, he was a pretty bad ruler, killing millions of people).

So basically, keep your mouth shut and work hard, and you'll have a pretty ok life.

I'm not saying China is the best country in the world, but I think it's position is being pretty exaggerated here.

[The Great Zedong Dynasty]

The ones who should have been arrested for war crimes against humanity were

Stalin (through a huge covert operation and invasion)
Hitler (Arming the Valkyrie Operation Group)
Zedong (By covert operation)

[Communal Ecotopia]

There are good dictatorships in theory. Not in the actual world today.

Though I agree, unless things are getting truly batshit insane and intervention is needed to save the population. Having a corrupt non-democratic government alone is not a valid reason for war.

China and Russia are doing pretty well. They have good dictators in charge of their economies, even though their methods are sometimes a bit harsh (but you can't deny they get things done for the greater good).

They get things done, but I CAN and DO deny greater good arguments when human rights are involved.

[Naxalistan]

I think I left off the list Pakistan, Sudan, Zimbabwe, and more!

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Those backwards zealots chop off somebody's head nearly every damn day; the US should commence airstrikes on Riyadh immediately.

[Fezkovia]

Because the majority of wars in history are all America's fault.

Maybe not EVERY war ever, but the vast majority of wars in the 20th and 21st centuries lead back to American influence, so his statement isn't entirely unfounded.

Vietnam, Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan. That's it.

Wars not caused by America: Korea, World Wars, Yugoslav Wars, Boer war, Syrian Civil War, Sino-Japanese War, Russo-Japanese War, Russian Civil War, Palestine War, etc

Need I go on?

[The Great Zedong Dynasty]

I've been to China. It's not so bad there, as long as you keep your head down and don't break any laws, it's pretty good. Also, it's not a dictatorship, it's an oligarchy (A very large and corrupt oligarchy, but an oligarchy nonetheless). China is a lot better then how it was under Mao's rule (Which in my opinion, while Mao had good intentions, he was a pretty bad ruler, killing millions of people).

So basically, keep your mouth shut and work hard, and you'll have a pretty ok life.

I'm not saying China is the best country in the world, but I think it's position is being pretty exaggerated here.

You're forgetting about how they treat Tibet

[Lakimina]

I think I left off the list Pakistan, Sudan, Zimbabwe, and more!

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Those backwards zealots chop off somebody's head nearly every damn day; the US should commence airstrikes on Riyadh immediately.

Bombing a country when the crisis of ISIS is happening when one of your mortal enemies considers allying with you *cough Iran cough Saudi Arabia cough Qatar*, not the best idea.

[Naxalistan]

Eh, China I cannot argue with. Despite their autocratic, corrupt government their economy has been growing steadily. Putin however, I have gripes with.

By that logic I don't know why you'd have beef with Putin:

[The United Peoples-]

I've been to China. It's not so bad there, as long as you keep your head down and don't break any laws, it's pretty good. Also, it's not a dictatorship, it's an oligarchy (A very large and corrupt oligarchy, but an oligarchy nonetheless). China is a lot better then how it was under Mao's rule (Which in my opinion, while Mao had good intentions, he was a pretty bad ruler, killing millions of people).

So basically, keep your mouth shut and work hard, and you'll have a pretty ok life.

I'm not saying China is the best country in the world, but I think it's position is being pretty exaggerated here.

You're forgetting about how they treat Tibet

What do you mean by that? I haven't heard anything about it while I was in China.

[Lakimina]

Maybe not EVERY war ever, but the vast majority of wars in the 20th and 21st centuries lead back to American influence, so his statement isn't entirely unfounded.

Vietnam, Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan. That's it.

Wars not caused by America: Korea, World Wars, Yugoslav Wars, Boer war, Syrian Civil War, Sino-Japanese War, Russo-Japanese War, Russian Civil War, Palestine War, etc

Need I go on?

Actually, the Iranian war was Occupation of Iran during World War II. We didn't touch them in the Civil War.

[Dukats]

I think I left off the list Pakistan, Sudan, Zimbabwe, and more!

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Those backwards zealots chop off somebody's head nearly every damn day; the US should commence airstrikes on Riyadh immediately.

You mean their allies?

[Communal Ecotopia]

Maybe not EVERY war ever, but the vast majority of wars in the 20th and 21st centuries lead back to American influence, so his statement isn't entirely unfounded.

Vietnam, Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan. That's it.

Wars not caused by America: Korea, World Wars, Yugoslav Wars, Boer war, Syrian Civil War, Sino-Japanese War, Russo-Japanese War, Russian Civil War, Palestine War, etc

Need I go on?

By the way, it's not a war, but add in the Ayatollahs of Iran. Without overthrowing Mossadegh in 1953, we don't have the corrupt Shah. Without the Shah...less impetus for harsh religious rule. Also, see:

We came, we saw, we destroyed, we forgot
The Anti-Empire Report
by William Blum |  July 29, 2011

An updated summary of the charming record of US foreign policy. Since the end of the Second World War, the United States of America has …

Attempted to overthrow more than 50 governments, most of which were democratically-elected.[1]
Attempted to suppress a populist or nationalist movement in 20 countries.[2]
Grossly interfered in democratic elections in at least 30 countries.[3]
Dropped bombs on the people of more than 30 countries.[4]
Attempted to assassinate more than 50 foreign leaders.[5]

In total: Since 1945, the United States has carried out one or more of the above actions, on one or more occasions, in the following 69 countries (more than one-third of the countries of the world):

Afghanistan
Albania
Algeria
Angola
Australia
Bolivia
Bosnia
Brazil
British Guiana (now Guyana)
Bulgaria
Cambodia
Chad
Chile
China
Colombia
Congo (also as Zaire)
Costa Rica
Cuba
Dominican Republic
East Timor
Ecuador
Egypt
El Salvador
Fiji
France
Germany (plus East Germany)
Ghana
Greece
Grenada
Guatemala
Honduras
India
Indonesia
Iran



Iraq
Italy
Jamaica
Japan
Kuwait
Laos
Lebanon
Libya
Mongolia
Morocco
Nepal
Nicaragua
North Korea
Pakistan
Palestine
Panama
Peru
Philippines
Portugal
Russia
Seychelles
Slovakia
Somalia
South Africa
Soviet Union
Sudan
Suriname
Syria
Thailand
Uruguay
Venezuela
Vietnam (plus North Vietnam)
Yemen (plus South Yemen)
Yugoslavia

Source: http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/201 ... we-forgot/
See also a map: http://www.buzzfeed.com/provincialeliti ... rld#4iik7u

[Bezkoshtovnya]

I think I left off the list Pakistan, Sudan, Zimbabwe, and more!

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Those backwards zealots chop off somebody's head nearly every damn day; the US should commence airstrikes on Riyadh immediately.

And kill more innocents, more than would be killed by the leaders?

[Naxalistan]

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Those backwards zealots chop off somebody's head nearly every damn day; the US should commence airstrikes on Riyadh immediately.

Bombing a country when the crisis of ISIS is happening when one of your mortal enemies considers allying with you *cough Iran cough Saudi Arabia cough Qatar*, not the best idea.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

And so a military conflict that will kill untold thousands, possibly millions more is a good solution?

Stopping and arresting the officials is the solution for bringing war criminal charges against the government

Which will mean war, which will mean more unnecessary deaths and instability.

[The Parkgarian Empire]

Yes, because like all dictatorships, they fall. They fall because, there is no choice for the people and the most importanat thing in a country is its people. So all of the dictatorships in the world will fall someday.

[The Great Zedong Dynasty]

Well I'm going to let this thread to take it's course but it's been my pleasure discussing this!

[Naxalistan]

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Those backwards zealots chop off somebody's head nearly every damn day; the US should commence airstrikes on Riyadh immediately.

And kill more innocents, more than would be killed by the leaders?

This seems to be the logic behind the US bombing campaign against ISIS.