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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:15 pm

The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:Well my opinion Earth is a failed planet!

Exactly. That is your opinion. In reality it has it's problems, but we are not running around in lawless nuclear wastelands.
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Postby The Great Zedong Dynasty » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:16 pm

Terra Sector Union wrote:
The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:Well my opinion Earth is a failed planet!


Oh how cynical of you. Earth is fine. Humanity just has some problems that needs fixing.

Well do you see what people do to each other that's beyond sick!
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Postby Dukats » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:18 pm

The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:
Terra Sector Union wrote:
Oh how cynical of you. Earth is fine. Humanity just has some problems that needs fixing.

Well do you see what people do to each other that's beyond sick!

As long as there are man there will be wars.

Or as long as there is America there will be wars.

But really...

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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:18 pm

The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:
Terra Sector Union wrote:
Oh how cynical of you. Earth is fine. Humanity just has some problems that needs fixing.

Well do you see what people do to each other that's beyond sick!

Yes. And those people are a very small minority of the human race.
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Postby Blakullar » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:18 pm

Within the next ten years I can imagine pro-democracy revolutions in Iran and North Korea. Both are gradually becoming more liberal, albeit the latter at a much slower pace, as the population grow less tolerant of the leadership's crap. The Kim dynasty might be ultra-isolationist, but they can't contain all of the liberal propaganda that comes into the country and sooner or later someone's going to call time-out. And we've got the coming sexual revolution in Iran which will inevitably follow Hassan Rouhani's more liberal line.

But Russia? No. The dictatorship there is very well entrenched, arguably even more so than NK's, and the Putin administration is actually very popular. And fining them for war crimes will just annoy them. You don't want to poke a bear that can flick your gas off in a heartbeat. And in that situation, Europe's going to cry uncle before the Russians do, especially if the gas goes in the winter.
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:18 pm

Dukats wrote:
The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:Well do you see what people do to each other that's beyond sick!

As long as there are man there will be wars.

Or as long as there is America there will be wars.

But really...

Because the majority of wars in history are all America's fault.
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Postby The Great Zedong Dynasty » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:20 pm

Blakullar wrote:Within the next ten years I can imagine pro-democracy revolutions in Iran and North Korea. Both are gradually becoming more liberal, albeit the latter at a much slower pace, as the population grow less tolerant of the leadership's crap. The Kim dynasty might be ultra-isolationist, but they can't contain all of the liberal propaganda that comes into the country and sooner or later someone's going to call time-out. And we've got the coming sexual revolution in Iran which will inevitably follow Hassan Rouhani's more liberal line.

But Russia? No. The dictatorship there is very well entrenched, arguably even more so than NK's, and the Putin administration is actually very popular. And fining them for war crimes will just annoy them. You don't want to poke a bear that can flick your gas off in a heartbeat. And in that situation, Europe's going to cry uncle before the Russians do, especially if the gas goes in the winter.

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Postby Blekksprutia » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:20 pm

wait. Nepal, Fiji? :eyebrow:
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Postby Blakullar » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:20 pm

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
Dukats wrote:As long as there are man there will be wars.

Or as long as there is America there will be wars.

But really...

Because the majority of wars in history are all America's fault.

Maybe not EVERY war ever, but the vast majority of wars in the 20th and 21st centuries lead back to American influence, so his statement isn't entirely unfounded.
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:20 pm

Blekksprutia wrote:wait. Nepal, Fiji? :eyebrow:

Fiji is currently run by military junta.
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Postby Lakimina » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:20 pm

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:Well do you see what people do to each other that's beyond sick!

Yes. And those people are a very small minority of the human race.

77.45 million (2013)
Iran, Population

30.24 million (2013)
Uzbekistan, Population

24.9 million (2013)
North Korea, Population

5.24 million (2013)
Turkmenistan, Population

28.83 million (2013)
Saudi Arabia, Population

24.41 million (2013)
Yemen, Population

33.42 million (2013)
Iraq, Population

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Postby The Great Zedong Dynasty » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:21 pm

Blekksprutia wrote:wait. Nepal, Fiji? :eyebrow:

Fiji is a dictatorship and Nepal had a Maoist civil war
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:21 pm

Just because a country is a dictatorship doesn't mean its a bad government. There are good dictatorships.

I don't like discrimination against dictatorships.

No country should be invaded because outsiders don't approve of their political system. Thats discriminatory.

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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:21 pm

Blakullar wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:Because the majority of wars in history are all America's fault.

Maybe not EVERY war ever, but the vast majority of wars in the 20th and 21st centuries lead back to American influence, so his statement isn't entirely unfounded.

No, they haven't. Maybe some of the most prominent ones, but there have been hundreds of wars in that span of time, and not nearly most of them have anything to do with the US.
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Postby Dukats » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:21 pm

Blakullar wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:Because the majority of wars in history are all America's fault.

Maybe not EVERY war ever, but the vast majority of wars in the 20th and 21st centuries lead back to American influence, so his statement isn't entirely unfounded.

Yay for me!

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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:23 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Just because a country is a dictatorship doesn't mean its a bad government. There are good dictatorships.

I don't like discrimination against dictatorships.

No country should be invaded because outsiders don't approve of their political system. Thats discriminatory.

There are good dictatorships in theory. Not in the actual world today.

Though I agree, unless things are getting truly batshit insane and intervention is needed to save the population. Having a corrupt non-democratic government alone is not a valid reason for war.
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Postby Lakimina » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:23 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Just because a country is a dictatorship doesn't mean its a bad government. There are good dictatorships.

I don't like discrimination against dictatorships.

No country should be invaded because outsiders don't approve of their political system. Thats discriminatory.

So lets just take the government of Uganda whose stance on Refugee Tutsis aren't good, and leave them alone.
Or how about Rwanda?
Or Burundi?
Or how about China? They killed only 2,000 people with executions, leave them alone!
There were good dictatorships, but not all of them are great.
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:23 pm

Dukats wrote:
Blakullar wrote:Maybe not EVERY war ever, but the vast majority of wars in the 20th and 21st centuries lead back to American influence, so his statement isn't entirely unfounded.

Yay for me!

Except it is unfounded.
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Postby Dukats » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:23 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Just because a country is a dictatorship doesn't mean its a bad government. There are good dictatorships.

I don't like discrimination against dictatorships.

No country should be invaded because outsiders don't approve of their political system. Thats discriminatory.

Like Sadam Husseins goverment.He was bad but when the US removed him they created a 100 new problems.

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Postby Blakullar » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:24 pm

Lakimina wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Just because a country is a dictatorship doesn't mean its a bad government. There are good dictatorships.

I don't like discrimination against dictatorships.

No country should be invaded because outsiders don't approve of their political system. Thats discriminatory.

So lets just take the government of Uganda whose stance on Refugee Tutsis aren't good, and leave them alone.
Or how about Rwanda?
Or Burundi?
Or how about China? They killed only 2,000 people with executions, leave them alone!

But not everybody is Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi or China, are they?
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Postby Lakimina » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:25 pm

Blakullar wrote:
Lakimina wrote:So lets just take the government of Uganda whose stance on Refugee Tutsis aren't good, and leave them alone.
Or how about Rwanda?
Or Burundi?
Or how about China? They killed only 2,000 people with executions, leave them alone!

But not everybody is Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi or China, are they?

No. 1.6 Billion people aren't in China, are they?
Or are you ignoring their own Demographics?
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Postby Dukats » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:25 pm

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
Dukats wrote:Yay for me!

Except it is unfounded.

Look around.They created the talibans and now they are fighting them.They are funding the Syrian rebels that turned into IS

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Postby The Great Zedong Dynasty » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:25 pm

Well if we left them alone everybody will die the water's of the ocean would be riddled with corpses. I'm not exaggerating when I say that it's the truth! TOP that off disease and plague would break out. Cholera outbreak of the world will happen once again!
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:26 pm

Lakimina wrote:
Blakullar wrote:But not everybody is Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi or China, are they?

No. 1.6 Billion people aren't in China, are they?
Or are you ignoring their own Demographics?

And so a military conflict that will kill untold thousands, possibly millions more is a good solution?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:26 pm

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Just because a country is a dictatorship doesn't mean its a bad government. There are good dictatorships.

I don't like discrimination against dictatorships.

No country should be invaded because outsiders don't approve of their political system. Thats discriminatory.

There are good dictatorships in theory. Not in the actual world today.

Though I agree, unless things are getting truly batshit insane and intervention is needed to save the population. Having a corrupt non-democratic government alone is not a valid reason for war.


China and Russia are doing pretty well. They have good dictators in charge of their economies, even though their methods are sometimes a bit harsh (but you can't deny they get things done for the greater good).

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