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Postby Berdanvia » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:05 am

Rebellious Fishermen wrote:How is Belarus a dictatorship?

Belarus is basically communist.

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Postby Distruzio » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:07 am

Rebellious Fishermen wrote:How is Belarus a dictatorship?


To the understanding of many on NSG, a nation that is not a western liberal democracy is a dictatorship.
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Postby Monkeykind » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:50 am

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Monkeykind wrote:It's six seats.

Seven seats. The Worker's Party won the Punggol East constituency in a by-election. So, that plus Hougang SMC and the Aljunied GRC (5 seats) gives them seven seats as of now.

Oh, OK.

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Postby Anglo-California » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:58 am

Topple Israel. Down with Zionism.
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Postby Murkwood » Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:20 am

Calisu wrote:I for one hope more people like Fidel Castro rise up and topple American backed dictators like Fulgencio Batista

Castro is even worse than Batista:

Links: http://www.hrw.org/world-report/2013/co ... pters/cuba
http://www.hrw.org/world-report/2014/co ... pters/cuba
http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/coun ... ricas/cuba
http://www.freedomhouse.org/country/cuba#.U_DNEvldV8E
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Cuba
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... of-concern
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Cuba

The Cuban economy was doing okay, and Castro ruined it. He is more of a tyrant than Batista could have dreamed of. Fuck Castro.
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Postby Murkwood » Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:21 am

Anglo-California wrote:Topple Israel. Down with Zionism.

How is the only free country in the Middle East a dictatorship?

I have no time for such nonsense.
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Postby Calisu » Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:22 am

Murkwood wrote:
Calisu wrote:I for one hope more people like Fidel Castro rise up and topple American backed dictators like Fulgencio Batista

Castro is even worse than Batista:

Links: http://www.hrw.org/world-report/2013/co ... pters/cuba
http://www.hrw.org/world-report/2014/co ... pters/cuba
http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/coun ... ricas/cuba
http://www.freedomhouse.org/country/cuba#.U_DNEvldV8E
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Cuba
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... of-concern
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Cuba

The Cuban economy was doing okay, and Castro ruined it. He is more of a tyrant than Batista could have dreamed of. Fuck Castro.

So because the economy has changed he's worse? Is that seriously what you're basing your argument off of?

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Postby Murkwood » Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:56 am

Calisu wrote:

So because the economy has changed he's worse? Is that seriously what you're basing your argument off of?

No, I hate him because he's a tyrant. Look at my links.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:03 am

Distruzio wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:You clearly didn't understand the point I was making. If the dictatorship remains in power, than more people will continue to suffer as a result of it.

EDIT: Also, tell us of these other methods of ending the authoritarian rule?


Belgium, Britain, and the United States have each utilized a myriad of ways to transition from authoritarian to more liberal structures and expressions of rule. In Belgium this was accomplished by tying the monarch to the people rather than to the territory. In Britain, devolution. In the United States, party exchange and the empowerment of the Supreme Court (which is about as undemocratic as you can get in a republic) and tying that Court to the Constitution - the law of the territory considered.

There are alternatives to bloody revolution.

Hold on, you do realize that at least two of your examples were only possible as a result of a bloody revolution, right?
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Postby Papait » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:09 am

The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:I'm going to put this out on the table and then I want to point out that world dictatorships are getting out of control and torture and death runs rampant in the countries. I'm going to list some countries that should be fined for their war crimes.

Uzbekistan
Nepal
Iran
Eritrea
China
Iraq
Myanmar
Fiji (so far no violence against the people is yet documented)
Sudan
Turkmenistan
Russia
Belarus
Zimbabwe


I need more opinions on which dictatorships of the world should be invaded by NATO Forces or the World Powers. Should there be foreign help? Should other governments arm the oppressed?


Prtty sure Iraq and Iran, just as Russia and China are not dictatorships
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Postby Murkwood » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:01 am

Papait wrote:
The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:I'm going to put this out on the table and then I want to point out that world dictatorships are getting out of control and torture and death runs rampant in the countries. I'm going to list some countries that should be fined for their war crimes.

Uzbekistan
Nepal
Iran
Eritrea
China
Iraq
Myanmar
Fiji (so far no violence against the people is yet documented)
Sudan
Turkmenistan
Russia
Belarus
Zimbabwe


I need more opinions on which dictatorships of the world should be invaded by NATO Forces or the World Powers. Should there be foreign help? Should other governments arm the oppressed?


Prtty sure Iraq and Iran, just as Russia and China are not dictatorships

You are just too funny.
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Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby Distruzio » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:15 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Belgium, Britain, and the United States have each utilized a myriad of ways to transition from authoritarian to more liberal structures and expressions of rule. In Belgium this was accomplished by tying the monarch to the people rather than to the territory. In Britain, devolution. In the United States, party exchange and the empowerment of the Supreme Court (which is about as undemocratic as you can get in a republic) and tying that Court to the Constitution - the law of the territory considered.

There are alternatives to bloody revolution.

Hold on, you do realize that at least two of your examples were only possible as a result of a bloody revolution, right?


You are aware that I'm not talking about wars for secession. Those are, sometimes, necessary battles. But revolution to "topple" a dictator? No. They are not necessary.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:28 pm

Distruzio wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Hold on, you do realize that at least two of your examples were only possible as a result of a bloody revolution, right?


You are aware that I'm not talking about wars for secession. Those are, sometimes, necessary battles. But revolution to "topple" a dictator? No. They are not necessary.

Ever hear of the English Civil War? It pretty much crippled Royal power forever. And the US was only able to rid itself of Slavery by fighting a massive Civil War for it.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:42 pm

Dukats wrote:
The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:Also the caste system of India is appalling and disgusting to make people feel like they're subhuman is an atrocity!

Why not America?I mean with their ghetos and the oppression of the blacks.



Yes you forgot America as well.

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Postby Herargon » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:48 pm



This is a good indication of which countries are dictatorial.

Every country that is in the ''Autoritair regime'' (Authoritarian regime) category is a dictatorship, according to this index.
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