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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Cedoria » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:13 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
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Beyond the obvious appeal to emotion, the reality is that these "revolutions" are indeed terrible. Twain, and you by correlation, assumed that the terror and tragedy of the Reign of Terror were justified because of some abstract appeal to the deaths of people generations past as though their deaths hold any real weight amidst the contemporary concern of bloody revolution. You know full well that violent reprisal against authoritarian regimes is hardly the only option available or necessary. In short, a relatively short burst of murders is not an appropriate response to perceived generations of authoritarian rule.

You clearly didn't understand the point I was making. If the dictatorship remains in power, than more people will continue to suffer as a result of it.

EDIT: Also, tell us of these other methods of ending the authoritarian rule?


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Postby United Marxist Nations » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:29 pm

Cedoria wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:You clearly didn't understand the point I was making. If the dictatorship remains in power, than more people will continue to suffer as a result of it.

EDIT: Also, tell us of these other methods of ending the authoritarian rule?


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Not all of which were peaceful, many of which had the threat of violence behind, and all of which were only possible due to the Soviet government just sort of going "sure, why not?"
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Postby Mineness » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:29 pm

Dictatorship is a self-referential system in which the propositions laid down by an entity called "the state" are taken as reflexively and axiomatically representative of every structure of reality, at least as far as logic distributes across the four-dimensional Minkowski space that we find ourselves in. Given this, even what we traditionally call a "democracy" within our discursive, linguistic-lexical context is actually a dictatorship in the ontic sense.

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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:31 pm

where is USA and Thailand

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Postby Kxcd » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:33 pm

Mineness wrote:Dictatorship is a self-referential system in which the propositions laid down by an entity called "the state" are taken as reflexively and axiomatically representative of every structure of reality, at least as far as logic distributes across the four-dimensional Minkowski space that we find ourselves in. Given this, even what we traditionally call a "democracy" within our discursive, linguistic-lexical context is actually a dictatorship in the ontic sense.

Everything is self-referential, except your meta-statements which in the end say nothing.
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Postby Mineness » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:35 pm

Kxcd wrote:
Mineness wrote:Dictatorship is a self-referential system in which the propositions laid down by an entity called "the state" are taken as reflexively and axiomatically representative of every structure of reality, at least as far as logic distributes across the four-dimensional Minkowski space that we find ourselves in. Given this, even what we traditionally call a "democracy" within our discursive, linguistic-lexical context is actually a dictatorship in the ontic sense.

Everything is self-referential.


Exactly.

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Postby Inzijard » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:35 pm

Mineness wrote:Dictatorship is a self-referential system in which the propositions laid down by an entity called "the state" are taken as reflexively and axiomatically representative of every structure of reality, at least as far as logic distributes across the four-dimensional Minkowski space that we find ourselves in. Given this, even what we traditionally call a "democracy" within our discursive, linguistic-lexical context is actually a dictatorship in the ontic sense.


Are you deliberately obfuscating your statements to conceal their fallacious nature, or are you genuinely not aware of how pretentious and inaccurate you are?
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Postby Gyrenaica » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:49 pm

The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:I'm going to put this out on the table and then I want to point out that world dictatorships are getting out of control and torture and death runs rampant in the countries. I'm going to list some countries that should be fined for their war crimes.

Uzbekistan
Nepal
Iran
Eritrea
China
Iraq
Myanmar
Fiji (so far no violence against the people is yet documented)
Sudan
Turkmenistan
Russia
Belarus
Zimbabwe


I need more opinions on which dictatorships of the world should be invaded by NATO Forces or the World Powers. Should there be foreign help? Should other governments arm the oppressed?

No North Korea? Iran? Syria?

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Postby Inzijard » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:59 pm

How exactly do you intend to go about this? Fines and slaps on the wrist have been used in the past, and look how well Germany turned out c. 1930. You can't just "invade" a countr—"MURICAAAA!!11"

Okay, you can, but you're just going to piss a lot of people off, and there's no guarantee that things will become all fine and dandy when you're finished (exhibit B, Afghanistan).

Certainly, we all hope for a better world. Nobody likes dictators (unless you're a dictator, in which case I implore you to find the nearest overpass). But a better world accomplished through direct invasion? That's a pipe dream.

I'm afraid invasion is not always the best solution.
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Postby The Greater Aryan Race » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:11 pm

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It's six seats.

Seven seats. The Worker's Party won the Punggol East constituency in a by-election. So, that plus Hougang SMC and the Aljunied GRC (5 seats) gives them seven seats as of now.
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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:02 pm

Dictatorships are a fact of life.
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:19 am

The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:Fiji (so far no violence against the people is yet documented)


Fiji is a bit complicated than simple "hurr dictator". Many Fijians actually like Banimarama in charge because he put an end to the ethnic tensions and racism between the native Fijians and the large population of Indians that live there. He's also held elections and predictably, won them. Whether or not it was rigged or whether this shows genuine support for what Banimarama does remains to be seen.

But he has done things like arrested protesters, restricted press freedoms and union involvement as well as have the ability to charge Fijians living outside of Fiji for sedition. So in that respect, he is still on my "prick" list.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:21 am

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:Dictatorships are a fact of life.


So we should just sit there and accept them? Fuck that. Down with the dictators.
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Postby Ainin » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:30 am

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:Dictatorships are a fact of life.

Influenza is also a fact of life.

Whether it's a fact of life or not is completely irrelevant.
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Postby New Tuva SSR » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:31 am

Uzbekistan- Unless Russia invades,No
Nepal- No
Iran- Meh (in-between)
Eritrea- Yes (by Ethiopia or Somalia.Either one.Or Djibouti.Djibouti rules all!)
China- In your dreams
Iraq- Not really a dictatorship anymore,unless you mean ISIL,in which case,Yes
Myanmar- Very possibly.If China,India,or the US does something,then yes.
Fiji- Yes
Sudan- No
Turkmenistan- No,again,Russian intervention is a big ?
Russia- No way.
Belarus- No,unless Russia does something
Zimbabwe- No

What about these?
North Korea- Yes,one day
Egypt- Quite possibly
Chad- Yes
Democratic Republic of Congo- No
Serbia- No
Pakistan- Yes
Yemen- No
Lebanon- Maaaaayyyyyyybe
Tunisia- No
Bulgaria- No
Mongolia (FORMER dictatorship)- No
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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:25 am

They tend to fall apart faster than democracies, so let them fall apart rather than intervening. Though there will always be the occasional new one created (you only have to look on here to see the deluded fools, who have never lived in a dictatorship, but think it would be a jolly good thing).
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Postby Rebellious Fishermen » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:01 am

How is Belarus a dictatorship?

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Postby CTALNH » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:14 am

Inzijard wrote:How exactly do you intend to go about this? Fines and slaps on the wrist have been used in the past, and look how well Germany turned out c. 1930. You can't just "invade" a countr—"MURICAAAA!!11"

Okay, you can, but you're just going to piss a lot of people off, and there's no guarantee that things will become all fine and dandy when you're finished (exhibit B, Afghanistan).

Certainly, we all hope for a better world. Nobody likes dictators (unless you're a dictator, in which case I implore you to find the nearest overpass). But a better world accomplished through direct invasion? That's a pipe dream.

I'm afraid invasion is not always the best solution.

I am quite certain quite a lot of people like dictators because a lot of people would be without a job if they didn't.

Hitler got voted in office with 1/4 of germany liking him...
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Postby Kravanica » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:22 am

Shilya wrote:Dictatorships get toppled all the time. They're unstable government systems, contrary to democracies - the removal of the government causes the state to fall behind them.

I mean, you even list Iran, where the last dictatorship was toppled a couple decades ago.

And replaced by a new Islamic dictatorship.
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Postby Kravanica » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:22 am

Anyway, dictatorships will always topple. But new ones will just spring up to take their place. I don't think the world will ever truly be free of dictatorships.
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Postby Murkwood » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:28 am

Rebellious Fishermen wrote:How is Belarus a dictatorship?

Lukashenko exerts total control over Belarus. Of course it's a dictatorship. This is common knowledge.
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Postby Distruzio » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:55 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
is it bad if i can't make out what this post actually means? history shows that dictatorships are in power until they are removed. yes. that would make a lot of sense.

Yeah, that's what I mean; Distruzio seems to think that things are just fine under repressive dictatorships, and that people won't continue to be repressed under them.


Hardly. I actually say that, as bad as things are under authoritarian regimes, bloody revolution is worse.
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Postby Calisu » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:57 am

I for one hope more people like Fidel Castro rise up and topple American backed dictators like Fulgencio Batista

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Postby Distruzio » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:58 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
:roll:

Beyond the obvious appeal to emotion, the reality is that these "revolutions" are indeed terrible. Twain, and you by correlation, assumed that the terror and tragedy of the Reign of Terror were justified because of some abstract appeal to the deaths of people generations past as though their deaths hold any real weight amidst the contemporary concern of bloody revolution. You know full well that violent reprisal against authoritarian regimes is hardly the only option available or necessary. In short, a relatively short burst of murders is not an appropriate response to perceived generations of authoritarian rule.

You clearly didn't understand the point I was making. If the dictatorship remains in power, than more people will continue to suffer as a result of it.

EDIT: Also, tell us of these other methods of ending the authoritarian rule?


Belgium, Britain, and the United States have each utilized a myriad of ways to transition from authoritarian to more liberal structures and expressions of rule. In Belgium this was accomplished by tying the monarch to the people rather than to the territory. In Britain, devolution. In the United States, party exchange and the empowerment of the Supreme Court (which is about as undemocratic as you can get in a republic) and tying that Court to the Constitution - the law of the territory considered.

There are alternatives to bloody revolution.
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Postby Berdanvia » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:04 am

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