Does God (Christian) exist (Try No.2)

[Utah and Deseret]

But, again, I don't believe in either. You're going around in circles. I believe that Gods, their existence, or a lack thereof, are unknowable.

By definition, you are atheist. You admit it the second you state that you don't believe in god. That's all it takes to be atheist.

Yep. You can be agnostic and an atheist.
It's not like either is a bad thing.

[Mavorpen]

No, it isn't. It doesn't require you believe in any deity. You can if you want to. Unless you want to argue Christians who are also Buddhists are atheists.

I would argue Christianity and Buddhism are totally incompatible as faiths, but not based on the a/theist deal.

That's another discussion for another thread, though.

Well yes, as faiths. "Buddhism" (used as a catch all term that includes all schools of thought) isn't inherently a faith. It can be, if you want it to be. And if you don't want it to be, you can incorporate it into your life as a Christian as well.

[Neutraligon]

No
Theism; believing in gods
Atheism: not theism.

But, again, I don't believe in either. You're going around in circles. I believe that Gods, their existence, or a lack thereof, are unknowable.

And since they are unknowable you cannot believe they exist, thus you are an atheist. Again atheism makes no claim.

[WestRedMaple]

The context was given right there in the post the first time I quoted it and responded to you.

What post are you talking about? Could you please make sense?

Go back and read the posts.

Again, what posts?

I have read the posts, but you turn around and contradict yourself.

Evidently you didn't read them then.

If you have any even remote interest in actually discussing, then state your disagreement with my position, not just repeating that you disagree.

Right after you give me something to discuss. So far you haven't given me anything other than ask me stupid questions that have nothing to do with my claims.

You sure didn't think that through. Obviously I already did give you something to discuss, considering the fact that you came to respond to my posts and disagree with me.

So far though, you just keep up with your 'nuh-uhs' rather than explaining what you disagree with.

[Carbon based lifeforms]

At least his posts don't consist of big statements without anything to back them up.

Go check out my factbooks.

This is a discussion forum, not a "hey guys check out my blog" forum.

[Threlizdun]

The odds of a deity existing are so small that they are statistically insignificant. The true answer is "probably not", but the practical answer is an emphatic "no".

[WestRedMaple]

The odds of a deity existing are so small that they are statistically insignificant. The true answer is "probably not", but the practical answer is an emphatic "no".

And what did you use to calculate those odds?

[The Prophet]

But, again, I don't believe in either. You're going around in circles. I believe that Gods, their existence, or a lack thereof, are unknowable.

By definition, you are atheist. You admit it the second you state that you don't believe in god. That's all it takes to be atheist.

Sounds like he's agnostic...


Theism: Believes in God(s)
Atheism: Doesn't Believe in God(s)
Agnostic: Unsure of the existence of God(s)

Those are generally the three default choices..

[Mavorpen]

You sure didn't think that through. Obviously I already did give you something to discuss, considering the fact that you came to respond to my posts and disagree with me.

I'm talking about now. I mean, that should be fucking obvious, right? Or should I have replied, "I already told you what I disagreed with, considering you responded to my posts and disagreed with them."

So far though, you just keep up with your 'nuh-uhs' rather than explaining what you disagree with.

No, that's what you've been doing. I explained what I disagreed with. I presented my argument. You chose to throw a red herring at me with this shit, and unfortunately I fell for it.

[Geilinor]

By definition, you are atheist. You admit it the second you state that you don't believe in god. That's all it takes to be atheist.

Sounds like he's agnostic...


Theism: Believes in God(s)
Atheism: Doesn't Believe in God(s)
Agnostic: Unsure of the existence of God(s)

Those are generally the three default choices..

You're either agnostic theist or agnostic atheist.

[Galloism]

I would argue Christianity and Buddhism are totally incompatible as faiths, but not based on the a/theist deal.

That's another discussion for another thread, though.

Well yes, as faiths. "Buddhism" (used as a catch all term that includes all schools of thought) isn't a faith. It can be, if you want it to be. And if you don't want it to be, you can incorporate it into your life as a Christian as well.

I would further argue that if you do not accept the religious tenants of Buddhism, or your particular branch of Buddhism, you are not a Buddhist.

If an atheist went to church every Sunday and confessed his sins to a priest, I wouldn't call him a catholic.

[Utah and Deseret]

By definition, you are atheist. You admit it the second you state that you don't believe in god. That's all it takes to be atheist.

Sounds like he's agnostic...


Theism: Believes in God(s)
Atheism: Doesn't Believe in God(s)
Agnostic: Unsure of the existence of God(s)

Those are generally the three default choices..

Agnostic: Cannot know/isn't sure/whatever.
Atheist: Does not believe in a god.
Theist: Believes in a god.
He is both Atheist and Agnostic

[Arkolon]

But, again, I don't believe in either. You're going around in circles. I believe that Gods, their existence, or a lack thereof, are unknowable.

By definition, you are atheist. You admit it the second you state that you don't believe in god. That's all it takes to be atheist.

The beginning of time is parallel to the beginning of matter. The reaction that caused matter to be created, and therefore time as well, was caused by something that transcends both time and matter. The existence of the creator-being cannot ever be known, because we can only see the material world and the world with, therefore, time. The existence of the creator-being, therefore, can only be sealed with Belief (for we cannot know the truth), so now it is doubly impossible to know whether or not the creator god exists.

I believe that there's something that transcends time and matter, yes. Does that make me a theist?

[Asdfsadfsa]

Si

[Neutraligon]

By definition, you are atheist. You admit it the second you state that you don't believe in god. That's all it takes to be atheist.

Sounds like he's agnostic...


Theism: Believes in God(s)
Atheism: Doesn't Believe in God(s)
Agnostic: Unsure of the existence of God(s)

Those are generally the three default choices..

Nope, again
theism: believing in god
atheism: not theism

gnosticism: knowing absolutely there or is not a god. (there are gnostic atheists and gnostic theists)
agnosticism: not gnosticism (there are agnostic atheists and theists)

[Carbon based lifeforms]

The odds of a deity existing are so small that they are statistically insignificant. The true answer is "probably not", but the practical answer is an emphatic "no".

And what did you use to calculate those odds?

Because it's not true unless you are given an exact number? Do you believe the moon exists? Yes? Then surely you can tell me the odds of it existing?

[Mavorpen]

Well yes, as faiths. "Buddhism" (used as a catch all term that includes all schools of thought) isn't a faith. It can be, if you want it to be. And if you don't want it to be, you can incorporate it into your life as a Christian as well.

I would further argue that if you do not accept the religious tenants of Buddhism, or your particular branch of Buddhism, you are not a Buddhist.

It's the other way around, actually. Blindly following religious tenants is against the core of Buddhism.

[The Prophet]

Sounds like he's agnostic...


Theism: Believes in God(s)
Atheism: Doesn't Believe in God(s)
Agnostic: Unsure of the existence of God(s)

Those are generally the three default choices..

You're either agnostic theist or agnostic atheist.

The world's hardly black and white my friend.

All statements are true in some sense,
False in some sense,
Meaningless in some sense,
True and false in some sense,
True and meaningless in some sense,
False and meaningless in some sense,
And true and false and meaningless in some sense.

[Neutraligon]

By definition, you are atheist. You admit it the second you state that you don't believe in god. That's all it takes to be atheist.

The beginning of time is parallel to the beginning of matter. The reaction that caused matter to be created, and therefore time as well, was caused by something that transcends both time and matter. The existence of the creator-being cannot ever be known, because we can only see the material world and the world with, therefore, time. The existence of the creator-being, therefore, can only be sealed with Belief (for we cannot know the truth), so now it is doubly impossible to know whether or not the creator god exists.

I believe that there's something that transcends time and matter, yes. Does that make me a theist?

Nope.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Well yes, as faiths. "Buddhism" (used as a catch all term that includes all schools of thought) isn't a faith. It can be, if you want it to be. And if you don't want it to be, you can incorporate it into your life as a Christian as well.

I would further argue that if you do not accept the religious tenants of Buddhism, or your particular branch of Buddhism, you are not a Buddhist.

If an atheist went to church every Sunday and confessed his sins to a priest, I wouldn't call him a catholic.

Weeellll, no. As the philosophy behind Buddhism has 3 schools of thought. None of which follows exactly the same path. And you can definitely apply Buddhist tenets to your daily life. I have met Christians who also identify as Buddhist.

[Utah and Deseret]

You're either agnostic theist or agnostic atheist.

The world's hardly black and white my friend.

All statements are true in some sense,
False in some sense,
Meaningless in some sense,
True and false in some sense,
True and meaningless in some sense,
False and meaningless in some sense,
And true and false and meaningless in some sense.

Unfortunately definitions can be.

[Trygg]

Nothing in the Bible can be reliably contradicted.

I'm not so sure about that.

You may say that the Bible is just a bunch of baloney, but there is so much archaeological evidence for the Bible being true that it they have found a layer of SULFUR.

They found a layer of SULFUR you say? God must exist then! No other possible explanation for this sulfur!

Genesis 13:24 says, "Then the Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the Lord out of the heavens." So obviously, at least SOME of the Bible is true.

Yes! The Lord made the sulfur rain! what else could make sulfur rain from the sk- Oh. One of those newfangled volcano things.

The bible should be viewed as an interpretive history, not a compounded list of facts. Obviously some things mentioned in the bible did happen, but reasons why they happened which are cited by the bible are illogical and refute the laws of science that you so firmly believe in. Just like we cannot view events which occurred thousands of years in the past, we also cannot believe that an ancient scripture should dictate what happens in our current world. Seems logical, right?

[Galloism]

I would further argue that if you do not accept the religious tenants of Buddhism, or your particular branch of Buddhism, you are not a Buddhist.

It's the other way around, actually. Blindly following religious tenants is against the core of Buddhism.

Which makes it even more at odds with most branches of Christianity.

[Feroxi]

We simply cannot know. However, I have faith there is a God. By the way, science and the Bible don't have to be separate. To quote the Catholic Church, "Truth cannot contradict truth." The two, I, and many others believe, that the two go hand in hand. Many religions teach that the Bible is not myth nor strict history, but it is one giant metaphorical text. The Bible teaches us how to get to heaven, not how it works. I'm a very analytical individual, and tend to question everything. Even God, at many points in my life. But, I still believe there is a God, now.

[Mavorpen]

It's the other way around, actually. Blindly following religious tenants is against the core of Buddhism.

Which makes it even more at odds with most branches of Christianity.

But not all. And honestly, that's the point.