Does God (Christian) exist (Try No.2)

[Mavorpen]

That is not all atheism covers, atheism covers I have no evidence (1), I do not know what a god is (2), I cannot know what a god is (3), there is do definition of god therefore I cannot say a god exists (4), etc. So no atheism is not a proposition, it is everything in the universe that is not a theist.

1) Agnosticism, not atheism.
2) Also agnosticism.
3) Also, hilariously, agnosticism.
4) Also, outstandingly hilariously, agnosticism.

I don't see what's so funny. We're all aware that atheists can be agnostic.

[Neutraligon]

That is not all atheism covers, atheism covers I have no evidence (1), I do not know what a god is (2), I cannot know what a god is (3), there is do definition of god therefore I cannot say a god exists (4), etc. So no atheism is not a proposition, it is everything in the universe that is not a theist.

1) Agnosticism, not atheism.
2) Also agnosticism.
3) Also, hilariously, agnosticism.
4) Also, outstandingly hilariously, agnosticism.

No agnosticism is a claim to whether or not something is known it is not a response to a claim of existence. Either something exists or id does not exist (atheism of theism). Further either we know it exists or we are uncertain it exists (gnosticism or agnosticism). A person can be an agnostic atheist.

So all those above fall under the category agnostic atheist, but they are still atheist.

[Eastern Equestria]

Cool, so God doesn't exist. Thank you for furthering my confidence in living with this conclusion drawn.

In real space, the cat is either dead or alive, and, where you got this from is beyond me, this means that the cat does not exist at all? You can make an objective truth from phase space? You're either really bad at the whole argument thing, or you can foresee the future with 100% accuracy.

In real space, God either is or isn't. In phase space, God is and isn't.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes, amirite?

[Occupied Deutschland]

1) Agnosticism, not atheism.
2) Also agnosticism.
3) Also, hilariously, agnosticism.
4) Also, outstandingly hilariously, agnosticism.

Aaand?

His usage of terms was incorrect, leading him to make similarly incorrect assertions about the fundamental nature of atheism as a claim.

[Geilinor]

He can't exist in part. If x is less than 0.5, he likely doesn't exist.

Coins are slightly heavier on one side than they are on the other, giving some sides a 0.51 chance of falling on that side and other sides a 0.49 chance. One of the sides is under 0.5. According to Geilinor, this means that it is likely that the coin will always and forever land on one side. After all, 0.5 is the point at which the heap of sand becomes a non-heap, right?

Are you attempting to break a record for fallacies used or something?

There being a 0.00001% chance of God existing doesn't mean he does exist.

[Neutraligon]

Aaand?

His usage of terms was incorrect, leading him to make similarly incorrect assertions about the fundamental nature of atheism as a claim.

Actually your usage is incorrect, mine was fine. It's in the etymology of the word atheist, a meaning not, so an atheist is simply anything that is not a theist.

[Arkolon]

In real space, the cat is either dead or alive, and, where you got this from is beyond me, this means that the cat does not exist at all?

Well yes, the cat doesn't physically exist. That's kind of the whole point, you know.

Schrödinger's cat did physically exist, even if it may or may not have been a hypothesis.

You can make an objective truth from phase space? You're either really bad at the whole argument thing, or you can foresee the future with 100% accuracy.

Neither.

So you're openly wrong, then?

In real space, God either is or isn't. In phase space, God is and isn't.

Cool, so God doesn't exist and I can continue living with this conclusion drawn.

God is probably just as much as he isn't.

[Mavorpen]

Schrödinger's cat did physically exist, even if it may or may not have been a hypothesis.

He owned a cat? That's interesting.

So you're openly wrong, then?

No.

God is probably just as much as he isn't.

And since you apparently can't figure out which, he doesn't exist. Thanks once again for confirming my position for me.

[Shaggai]

In real space, the cat is either dead or alive, and, where you got this from is beyond me, this means that the cat does not exist at all? You can make an objective truth from phase space? You're either really bad at the whole argument thing, or you can foresee the future with 100% accuracy.

In real space, God either is or isn't. In phase space, God is and isn't.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes, amirite?

Mostly it's just Sith who deal in absolutes.

[Arkolon]

Coins are slightly heavier on one side than they are on the other, giving some sides a 0.51 chance of falling on that side and other sides a 0.49 chance. One of the sides is under 0.5. According to Geilinor, this means that it is likely that the coin will always and forever land on one side. After all, 0.5 is the point at which the heap of sand becomes a non-heap, right?

Are you attempting to break a record for fallacies used or something?

There being a 0.00001% chance of God existing doesn't mean he does exist.

It does mean that there is a chance he exists, and because God's phase space cannot be turned into real space (as God can only exist in phase space), you cannot say that God objectively isn't, because, and you literally just admitted it, there is a chance he is.

God is a permanent hypothetical. You cannot say he exists just as much as you cannot say he does not exist.

[Occupied Deutschland]

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And since you apparently can't figure out which, he doesn't exist. Thanks once again for confirming my position for me.

You also reject wave-particle duality, right Mav?

Because that's the only way you can be consistent here.

[Lingang]

Well, maybe I stated that wrong. I see God in my life. Prayers of mine have been answered. As batshit insane it may sound to you, God has been helping me in my life. So that is the foundation of my faith. You don't believe for no damn actual reason, that IS ludicrous.

So, because by chance the thing you hoped would happen, happened - you believe in a Deity? Chance =/= God answering prayers. The fact that he hasn't given you all of your desires, shows that either 1) He's a lazy God (He can't be bothered to help you). 2) He's a bipolar God (One minute he's generous, the next he has a 'lol fuk of m8' moment). OR 3) There is no God and that it was by chance. I'm from a religious family, a huge number of my family members are Protestant and I'm friends with many religious people, but to me - the belief is utterly unfounded and illogical.

Not believing in something because there's no reason to believe it, is in itself a reason not to believe in it. So it's hardly for 'no damn actual reason'. The reason is that there is no evidence to suggest such things exist and another reason is, the book which the belief is based upon is so horribly flawed that it's unbelievable.

"Not believing in something because there's no reason to believe it, is in itself a reason not to believe in it. So it's hardly for 'no damn actual reason'. The reason is that there is no evidence to suggest such things exist and another reason is, the book which the belief is based upon is so horribly flawed that it's unbelievable."

No, you've misinterpreted what I've said. I meant that believing in God for no real reason made no sense, not the opposite. I can get why athiests choose not to believe in God.

[Mavorpen]

You also reject wave-particle duality, right Mav?

No.

[Occupied Deutschland]

You also reject wave-particle duality, right Mav?

No.

Then your argument is incorrect on a mere doctrinal basis.

[Mavorpen]

No.

Then your argument is incorrect.

No, it isn't.

[Arkolon]

You also reject wave-particle duality, right Mav?

No.

Are you high or something? Seriously.

[Mavorpen]

No.

Are you high or something? Seriously.

For your sake, I would hope not.

[Geilinor]

There being a 0.00001% chance of God existing doesn't mean he does exist.

It does mean that there is a chance he exists, and because God's phase space cannot be turned into real space (as God can only exist in phase space), you cannot say that God objectively isn't, because, and you literally just admitted it, there is a chance he is.

God is a permanent hypothetical. You cannot say he exists just as much as you cannot say he does not exist.

I'm not the one claiming that he exists. I'm waiting for you to convince me that he exists.

[Arkolon]

Are you high or something? Seriously.

For your sake, I would hope not.

Either literally or figuratively, because I'm not sure horses can survive at such an altitude.

[The Prophet]

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Woah mate we both are the Prophet...Myself by title and you by name. Awwwwe yee

I have gone by the tittle the Prophet for many years, me and my cult following.. er *cough* I mean enlightened disciplines, spread the truth of the beautiful playful loving Goddess Eris!

There is no Goddess but Goddess and She is Your Goddess.

[Mavorpen]

It does mean that there is a chance he exists, and because God's phase space cannot be turned into real space (as God can only exist in phase space), you cannot say that God objectively isn't, because, and you literally just admitted it, there is a chance he is.

God is a permanent hypothetical. You cannot say he exists just as much as you cannot say he does not exist.

I'm not the one claiming that he exists. I'm waiting for you to convince me that he exists.

Why are you doing that? He already said that he can't. His only goal here is to be as edgy as possible and contribute nothing of actual value.

[Arkolon]

It does mean that there is a chance he exists, and because God's phase space cannot be turned into real space (as God can only exist in phase space), you cannot say that God objectively isn't, because, and you literally just admitted it, there is a chance he is.

God is a permanent hypothetical. You cannot say he exists just as much as you cannot say he does not exist.

I'm not the one claiming that he exists. I'm waiting for you to convince me that he exists.

Read my first post here. I do not pretend that he exists. I am an agnostic. I am saying that God's existence is ultimately unknowable.

[Mavorpen]

For your sake, I would hope not.

Either literally or figuratively, because I'm not sure horses can survive at such an altitude.

Is that your way of telling us that you're the one that's high?

[Mavorpen]

I'm not the one claiming that he exists. I'm waiting for you to convince me that he exists.

Read my first post here. I do not pretend that he exists. I am an agnostic. I am saying that God's existence is ultimately unknowable.

Well, shit, I posted the post right above this one just in time.

[Occupied Deutschland]

It does mean that there is a chance he exists, and because God's phase space cannot be turned into real space (as God can only exist in phase space), you cannot say that God objectively isn't, because, and you literally just admitted it, there is a chance he is.

God is a permanent hypothetical. You cannot say he exists just as much as you cannot say he does not exist.

I'm not the one claiming that he exists. I'm waiting for you to convince me that he exists.

You are, however, the one claiming he doesn't exist.
While still hedging by referencing the high likelihoods he doesn't exist.

Hell, I don't think Arkolon's even been arguing towards existence of God, merely that such is a possibility that can't be confirmed or denied (with current abilities).
Which makes one's hedging their proclamations of 'there is no god' with 'probably's' become a bit problematic for those arguing with him.