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Al Nahar
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Postby Al Nahar » Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:45 pm

It is crazy to think how these viruses exist and how they know exactly where to go in our bodies to kill us. Im not a believer in any higher beings but damn, its insane that these viruses are so smart to target our immune systems and then use that to kill us.
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Postby Nerotysia » Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:54 pm

Al Nahar wrote:It is crazy to think how these viruses exist and how they know exactly where to go in our bodies to kill us. Im not a believer in any higher beings but damn, its insane that these viruses are so smart to target our immune systems and then use that to kill us.

Well they've had millions of years, and they're hardly perfect...

And it's not super difficult to disrupt bodily processes.

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Al Nahar
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Postby Al Nahar » Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:03 pm

Nerotysia wrote:
Al Nahar wrote:It is crazy to think how these viruses exist and how they know exactly where to go in our bodies to kill us. Im not a believer in any higher beings but damn, its insane that these viruses are so smart to target our immune systems and then use that to kill us.

Well they've had millions of years, and they're hardly perfect...

And it's not super difficult to disrupt bodily processes.


it it true our immune systems have become weaker over time?
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:04 pm

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Postby Gauthier » Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:07 pm

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Indeed. I fear shark attacks more than I do Ebola and sharks can't even reach me.

But what if the sharks mutate and become airborne?


And then carry ebola?

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Postby Nerotysia » Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:09 pm

Al Nahar wrote:
Nerotysia wrote:Well they've had millions of years, and they're hardly perfect...

And it's not super difficult to disrupt bodily processes.


it it true our immune systems have become weaker over time?

No...that wouldn't make much evolutionary sense. However it may have been happening, I don't know, do you have a source?

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Postby Galloism » Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:10 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:But what if the sharks mutate and become airborne?


And then carry ebola?

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I'm sorry, that concept has already been copyrighted, and you are now going to be sued for devaluing a future product by pre-releasing its concept.
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Postby Jamjai » Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:11 pm

I heard the virus is still alive after death
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Postby Ximea » Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:12 pm

Jamjai wrote:I heard the virus is still alive after death

By definition, that cannot possibly be correct.

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Unless you mean the virus remains viable after the host dies, in which case you're entirely correct. The cadaver of an Ebola victim is about the most dangerous thing ever.
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Postby Vetalia » Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:14 pm

I feel sad for Thomas Duncan and his family as well as the untold number of people suffering from this disease...nobody should ever die this way, this is a truly evil virus and I hope that we discover vaccines and antiviral drugs to wipe it off the face of the Earth forever.
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:14 pm

Ximea wrote:
Jamjai wrote:I heard the virus is still alive after death

By definition, that cannot possibly be correct.

EDIT:

Unless you mean the virus remains viable after the host dies, in which case you're entirely correct. The cadaver of an Ebola victim is about the most dangerous thing ever.

If by "the most dangerous thing ever" you mean "harmless unless you touch its fluids" then yes, you are correct.
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Postby Vetalia » Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:38 pm

Scomagia wrote:If by "the most dangerous thing ever" you mean "harmless unless you touch its fluids" then yes, you are correct.


West African cultures value washing the bodies of the dead highly and we'd better hope those buried were done properly. The bodies of Ebola victims should be cremated at all times.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:47 pm

Jamjai wrote:I heard the virus is still alive after death

Not possible, since viruses aren't even technically alive in the first place.

If you mean infectious, then yes. I believe improper handling of corpses is actually one of the major sources of infections in this epidemic.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:09 pm

Al Nahar wrote:It is crazy to think how these viruses exist and how they know exactly where to go in our bodies to kill us. Im not a believer in any higher beings but damn, its insane that these viruses are so smart to target our immune systems and then use that to kill us.


Viruses don't know anything because they are not sentient. There are lots of viruses that do not cause diseases because they have no ability to get into human cells. It's just that we notice the ones that can kill us.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:24 pm

Al Nahar wrote:
Nerotysia wrote:Well they've had millions of years, and they're hardly perfect...

And it's not super difficult to disrupt bodily processes.


it it true our immune systems have become weaker over time?


No, our immune systems have gotten better as they adapt to fighting off new diseases. If Ebola did spread out of control, we would evolve resistance to it until most people could fight it off with only minor symptoms. This has happened in the past with a lot of other diseases. The reason things like cold and flu have such a low fatality rate is because they are so widespread that they have already killed off anyone whose immune system wasn't equipped to handle them.
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:28 pm

I hope they can get a vaccine ready before it infects more people. It hasn't come to Canada yet though.

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Postby United States Kingdom » Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:29 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:I hope they can get a vaccine ready before it infects more people. It hasn't come to Canada yet though.


I guess we are fortunate to live in this great country.

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Postby Empire of Narnia » Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:32 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Empire of Narnia wrote:I hope they can get a vaccine ready before it infects more people. It hasn't come to Canada yet though.


I guess we are fortunate to live in this great country.

Sadly it has spread to some parts of the USA. I heard a man in Texas died from Ebola recently.

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Postby Othelos » Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:33 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:
I guess we are fortunate to live in this great country.

Sadly it has spread to some parts of the USA. I heard a man in Texas died from Ebola recently.

Yes many parts. We are practically overcrowding the hospitals.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:34 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:
I guess we are fortunate to live in this great country.

Sadly it has spread to some parts of the USA. I heard a man in Texas died from Ebola recently.


Yes although their are reports of people getting cured.
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/health/Ebola ... 02161.html

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Postby Sun Wukong » Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:36 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Empire of Narnia wrote:Sadly it has spread to some parts of the USA. I heard a man in Texas died from Ebola recently.


Yes although their are reports of people getting cured.
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/health/Ebola ... 02161.html

Well yeah... Ebola has never been 100% fatal.
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:42 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Empire of Narnia wrote:Sadly it has spread to some parts of the USA. I heard a man in Texas died from Ebola recently.


Yes although their are reports of people getting cured.
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/health/Ebola ... 02161.html

That is good to hear. I was always under the assumption that once a person was infected they were doomed.

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Postby Seangoli » Wed Oct 08, 2014 10:12 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:
Yes although their are reports of people getting cured.
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/health/Ebola ... 02161.html

That is good to hear. I was always under the assumption that once a person was infected they were doomed.


Ebola typically has about a 50% mortality rate, but previous outbreaks range from a 25-90% mortality rate, increasing significantly with proper treatment and care.

It also hasn't really "spread" to the US, so much as it has been isolated cases of people exposed to the pathogen elsewhere traveling to the US. As far as I know, not a single case of Ebola has originated in the US.

The person who died, while unfortunate, was also from Liberia, and had recently traveled to the US after being infected. Once again, not so much the disease spreading to the US, as it hasn't spread beyond individuals who contracted the disease in Western Africa. It is,in reality, a fairly difficult disease to contract, with direct contact with bodily fluids being needed. Ii's also only moderately hardy, surviving outside of the body for about half a day at most (And within bodily fluids for several days or weeks depending on circumstances). It is also rather easily killed by modern disinfectants and doesn't have much of a resistance to them, and has a fairly narrow environmental window it can survive within outside of the body.

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Postby Vekalse » Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:50 pm

New Decius wrote:Listen to what I say and calm down!

Ebola has not mutated and contrary to what the nut that started this thread says, it is highly unlikely that it will. Health and Science Officials of numerous countries such as America, France, Russia, Germany, Japan, and several others along with Officials from both the UN and EU, have stated that it is highly unlikely Ebola will mutate into an airborne strain as Ebola itself is not in such a classification of virus which could do that. Ebola is transferred via contact with the bodily fluids on an infected person (Meaning Blood, Vomit, Spit, Mucus, Urine, etc.) and the viral bacteria only rises to the surface of the skin of the body after death, so unless you are touching a dead person who was plagued by Ebola, without protective gear, within the first week or so since death, you will not get the virus just by touching the person themselves like via a handshake or pat on the back. Rumors like these are just started by people who are sick in the head enough to like watching panic, fear, and chaos run free. That's all these rumors of mutation are, rumors. Not fact. This kind of thing always happens when you listen to less official media sources like your local news or talk shows, instead of paying attention to what professionals are saying.

There are actually some very simple procedures to prevent the spread of Ebola if you come into contact with the fluids listed above. You can prevent the spread of Ebola same as how you would a Cold or a Flu. Wash your Hands, stay clean, be watchful and if you start to feel sick then waste no time in telling your doctor as a precaution. Again remember that such things are advised in the normal role of preventing the spread of disease but, as I said, be especially careful if you come into contact with the above fluids of a possibly infected person. Even on a regular, every day basis that should be clear.

Do you know what will hurt and kill more than Ebola? Fear and panic caused by these ridiculous mutation rumors that are started by the same people who said the world would end in 2012, and did it, NO! So be smart and don't believe everything your local news or favorite talk show host says. Stay calm and don't descend into hysteria.

The reason Ebola has spread so fast in West Africa is because people living there do not have access to the proper supplies to prevent its spread. People living, (And I am not trying to encourage Illegal Immigration here) in Second and First World Countries like the United States, United Kingdom, France, Belgium, Germany, Poland, Italy, Russia, Japan, Canada, Brazil, and other similar countries, do have access to the proper supplies to prevent the spread of the disease. Just remember that the best things you can do are to:
Stay Calm and Do Not Panic
Be careful of what you touch or step in
Stay Clean and do what you regularly would to prevent yourself getting sick from anything
Be rational and wise in what you do (Don't try and heal yourself, go directly to your Doctor and calmly request the proper tests be done and wait patiently for the results. If you have gotten Ebola, don't panic as Hospitals in dozens of countries have been prepared for such things for months now and will be well equipped to help destroy the virus before it really takes hold in your system)

A thought to remember. Ebola patients will start to see Symptoms appear within 21 days of coming in contact with infected fluids. Be quick and ask, even just as a precaution, your doctor for the proper tests within a week of contact. Kill it before it can really fester.

Stay calm.


1) I never said that it did.
2) I never said that it did.
3) I never said that it did.

So... You're the nut.
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