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Postby Distruzio » Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:35 pm

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I never stated that one should be more important than another. A strategy can be developed for both but Ebola should receive a high priority because it just went really wild.

"Really wild" in this case means "affected under 10,000 people".


Has it reached 4000 yet?
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United Marxist Nations
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:42 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:"Really wild" in this case means "affected under 10,000 people".

Yet it doesn't have a vaccine and it Ebola reaching the USA could mean it could reach other countries with advanced healthcare systems as well. I am a Malaria survivor and I still support more resources going to Ebola than Malaria

So wait just a second? You think that the disease which has affected under 10,000 people deserves more attention than the disease which has:

- 219 million cases per year
- 660,000 deaths in a year
- 200,000 estimated infant deaths yearly
- Responsible for 30–50% of hospital admissions and up to 50% of outpatient visits
- Takes up ~40% of public health spending
- is one of the leading causes of neurological disabilities in African children

Time to get your priorities in order.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:52 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:Yet it doesn't have a vaccine and it Ebola reaching the USA could mean it could reach other countries with advanced healthcare systems as well. I am a Malaria survivor and I still support more resources going to Ebola than Malaria

So wait just a second? You think that the disease which has affected under 10,000 people deserves more attention than the disease which has:

- 219 million cases per year
- 660,000 deaths in a year
- 200,000 estimated infant deaths yearly
- Responsible for 30–50% of hospital admissions and up to 50% of outpatient visits
- Takes up ~40% of public health spending
- is one of the leading causes of neurological disabilities in African children

Time to get your priorities in order.


http://www.history.co.uk/shows/articles ... own-to-man
Ebola is one of the deadliest diseases known to man according to the WHO.

http://www.nature.com/news/ebola-virus- ... ds-1.15777
It is mutating rapidly.

http://www.jconline.com/story/news/2014 ... /16873245/
It can become airborne while for Malaria their are effective strategies to deal with it such as mosquito nets that I once owned and are cheap to manufacture so yes I believe Ebola is a more important priority.

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Postby Benuty » Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:55 pm

Well the guy in Dallas is dead.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:00 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:So wait just a second? You think that the disease which has affected under 10,000 people deserves more attention than the disease which has:

- 219 million cases per year
- 660,000 deaths in a year
- 200,000 estimated infant deaths yearly
- Responsible for 30–50% of hospital admissions and up to 50% of outpatient visits
- Takes up ~40% of public health spending
- is one of the leading causes of neurological disabilities in African children

Time to get your priorities in order.


http://www.history.co.uk/shows/articles ... own-to-man
Ebola is one of the deadliest diseases known to man according to the WHO.

http://www.nature.com/news/ebola-virus- ... ds-1.15777
It is mutating rapidly.

http://www.jconline.com/story/news/2014 ... /16873245/
It can become airborne while for Malaria their are effective strategies to deal with it such as mosquito nets that I once owned and are cheap to manufacture so yes I believe Ebola is a more important priority.

A disease that has, thus far, killed fewer people than an average flu season.

Also, a very specific set of genes has to be turned on to become airborne. Hell, we don't even know if it could do that, it may not have the necessary genetic material to do so.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:02 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:
http://www.history.co.uk/shows/articles ... own-to-man
Ebola is one of the deadliest diseases known to man according to the WHO.

http://www.nature.com/news/ebola-virus- ... ds-1.15777
It is mutating rapidly.

http://www.jconline.com/story/news/2014 ... /16873245/
It can become airborne while for Malaria their are effective strategies to deal with it such as mosquito nets that I once owned and are cheap to manufacture so yes I believe Ebola is a more important priority.

A disease that has, thus far, killed fewer people than an average flu season.

Also, a very specific set of genes has to be turned on to become airborne. Hell, we don't even know if it could do that, it may not have the necessary genetic material to do so.


It still has the potential to become airborne and with Africa already having other measures for Malaria, Ebola is a priority. After all, it is better to be safe than sorry. Trust me when I say those mosquito nets are very useful. I personally miss sleeping with them now that I am in Canada. :)

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:03 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:A disease that has, thus far, killed fewer people than an average flu season.

Also, a very specific set of genes has to be turned on to become airborne. Hell, we don't even know if it could do that, it may not have the necessary genetic material to do so.


It still has the potential to become airborne and with Africa already having other measures for Malaria, Ebola is a priority. After all, it is better to be safe than sorry. Trust me when I say those mosquito nets are very useful. I personally miss sleeping with them now that I am in Canada. :)

Yes, it has the potential to become airborne, just like sharks have the potential to grow legs and start breathing air.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:07 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:
It still has the potential to become airborne and with Africa already having other measures for Malaria, Ebola is a priority. After all, it is better to be safe than sorry. Trust me when I say those mosquito nets are very useful. I personally miss sleeping with them now that I am in Canada. :)

Yes, it has the potential to become airborne, just like sharks have the potential to grow legs and start breathing air.


Did you even read the source which I posted or were you just to busy to read it?

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:09 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Yes, it has the potential to become airborne, just like sharks have the potential to grow legs and start breathing air.


Did you even read the source which I posted or were you just to busy to read it?

Part of it. Note how the researcher never actually says it's likely to become airborne, just that it could. Non-zero chance of Ebola going airborne. Non-zero chance of sharks hunting on land. Non-zero chance of the Earth collapsing into a black hole. There's a non-zero chance of pretty fucking much everything.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:15 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
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Did you even read the source which I posted or were you just to busy to read it?

Part of it. Note how the researcher never actually says it's likely to become airborne, just that it could. Non-zero chance of Ebola going airborne. Non-zero chance of sharks hunting on land. Non-zero chance of the Earth collapsing into a black hole. There's a non-zero chance of pretty fucking much everything.


He also stated to discount that the virus can become airborne is dangerours

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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:16 pm

A deputy in Frisco Texas has come down with Ebola symptoms.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:17 pm

greed and death wrote:A deputy in Frisco Texas has come down with Ebola symptoms.

Because it's you, calling bullshit until you gib source.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:18 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
greed and death wrote:A deputy in Frisco Texas has come down with Ebola symptoms.

Because it's you, calling bullshit until you gib source.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2 ... /16922477/
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Postby Vetalia » Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:19 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
greed and death wrote:A deputy in Frisco Texas has come down with Ebola symptoms.

Because it's you, calling bullshit until you gib source.


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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:21 pm

greed and death wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Because it's you, calling bullshit until you gib source.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2 ... /16922477/

Alright, but I found this, so we shouldn't' assume yet.

"He's doing exactly basically what we told him to do: If at any time you don't feel well, go seek some medical attention," Dyer said. "I'm being told that he's not exhibiting classic signs of the Ebola virus. It's just a matter that he doesn't feel well, and because he had contact with Mr. Duncan's apartment, they're taking every precaution."

That view was echoed by Frisco Fire Department Chief Mark Piland. "This patient was not experiencing all of those [Ebola] symptoms, just a few," he said. "Based upon screening criteria from the CDC, the treatment tends to be a little bit more conservative at first."
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:22 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Part of it. Note how the researcher never actually says it's likely to become airborne, just that it could. Non-zero chance of Ebola going airborne. Non-zero chance of sharks hunting on land. Non-zero chance of the Earth collapsing into a black hole. There's a non-zero chance of pretty fucking much everything.


He also stated to discount that the virus can become airborne is dangerours

As is discounting the possibility of landsharks.
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Postby Benuty » Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:32 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:
He also stated to discount that the virus can become airborne is dangerours

As is discounting the possibility of landsharks.

http://youngscientists-sing.blogspot.co ... -land.html

Just might happen one day.
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Postby Lingang » Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:33 pm

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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:36 pm

To understand how Ebola can be contained and treated, we need to first understand why it can kill you. The Ebola virus itself does not kill you- your immune system's reaction to the Ebola virus kills you.

When a normal virus infects you, cytokines are created to send signals to the immune system, and then dendritic cells are sent out, which eat the infection, learn information about it, and tell the immune system to send out antibodies. What Ebola does is target these dendritic cells first, and without the instruction from these cells, the antibodies do not have any blueprints that can be used to combat it.

The Ebola virus then runs rampant, to the point where the immune system is forced to activate a cytokine storm. A cytokine storm is essentially the body's version of DEFCON 1- the immune system sends every single defense it has into the bloodstream in order to destroy the virus. This caused the walls of your blood cells to become more permeable, which is the reason why Ebola causes bleeding. While the reaction does destroy the virus, it destroys your body as well and has a high chance of killing you.

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Postby Nerotysia » Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:46 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:So wait just a second? You think that the disease which has affected under 10,000 people deserves more attention than the disease which has:

- 219 million cases per year
- 660,000 deaths in a year
- 200,000 estimated infant deaths yearly
- Responsible for 30–50% of hospital admissions and up to 50% of outpatient visits
- Takes up ~40% of public health spending
- is one of the leading causes of neurological disabilities in African children

Time to get your priorities in order.


http://www.history.co.uk/shows/articles ... own-to-man
Ebola is one of the deadliest diseases known to man according to the WHO.

http://www.nature.com/news/ebola-virus- ... ds-1.15777
It is mutating rapidly.

http://www.jconline.com/story/news/2014 ... /16873245/
It can become airborne while for Malaria their are effective strategies to deal with it such as mosquito nets that I once owned and are cheap to manufacture so yes I believe Ebola is a more important priority.

Oh, look...more of this crap.

It's highly, highly unlikely the disease will become airborne. Mutations are not very reliable as a means of improvement to the gene pool. Evolution is not driven by mutations, it is driven by natural selection.

I do wish people would stop posting this fecal matter.

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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:46 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:and to build extra care facilities.


And Africans can't do that. Oh wait, we are to dumb to do such things right. Have you considered hiring a construction company from Africa to do it or at least have the AU help with building hospitals.


if they could they would have already. we are talking about poor countries who are extremely stressed by this outbreak. US soldiers have already built field hospitals and are operating mobile labs.

that's not a bad thing.
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:47 pm

Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I just heard the first US victim of Ebola died. Anyone know if it's spread out from Texas?

no. but it took them 9 days to get a cleaning company into the guys apartment and another day or 2 after that to find a place for his family members to live while they are in quarantine.
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:49 pm

Allet Klar Chefs wrote:
Nerotysia wrote:It's not going to spread far.

Almost certainly not, but if you think that's because of Western superiority rather than good fortune to be a really really long way from where it kicked off, you're being stupid.

no. its from good quarantine practices. that is the way it is stopped in Africa too.
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Postby Ukrainian Cossacks » Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:54 pm

ISIS CAUSED IT THREAD OVER THE END STOP THREAD ISIS EBOLE 9/11 ILLUMINATIE.
Налийте нам трохи вина в кристально чаші! Таким чином, наші кулі, тому наші шаблі, здатна пронизати серце наших тиранів. Таким чином, наші кулі, тому наші шаблі, здатна пронизати серце наших тиранів! Так що Україна. Ніколи не помре від сорому! Так що наша слава, так що слава козаків триватиме вічно.

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Postby United States Kingdom » Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:35 pm

Ukrainian Cossacks wrote:ISIS CAUSED IT THREAD OVER THE END STOP THREAD ISIS EBOLE 9/11 ILLUMINATIE.


I believe the Illuminati is real and shit but really??

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