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Postby United States Kingdom » Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:48 pm

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And Africans can't do that. Oh wait, we are to dumb to do such things right. Have you considered hiring a construction company from Africa to do it or at least have the AU help with building hospitals.

Dude, you don't seem to understand that if these things were being done already without US help we wouldn't be sending help. However, the situation has begun to spiral out of control and it's become clear the relevant governments are not up to the task alone.


That's why their is a union that is capable of dealing with the crisis.

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Postby Allet Klar Chefs » Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:49 pm

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Allet Klar Chefs wrote:Apart from it might, as we see in Spain.

It's not going to spread far.

Almost certainly not, but if you think that's because of Western superiority rather than good fortune to be a really really long way from where it kicked off, you're being stupid.

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Postby Nerotysia » Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:50 pm

Allet Klar Chefs wrote:
Nerotysia wrote:It's not going to spread far.

Almost certainly not, but if you think that's because of Western superiority rather than good fortune to be a really really long way from where it kicked off, you're being stupid.

It's because of superior western medicine. I don't know if that falls in the category of "western superiority" but...

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Postby Nerotysia » Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:50 pm

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Nerotysia wrote:Dude, you don't seem to understand that if these things were being done already without US help we wouldn't be sending help. However, the situation has begun to spiral out of control and it's become clear the relevant governments are not up to the task alone.


That's why their is a union that is capable of dealing with the crisis.

And yet Ebola still continues to spread, devastating affected nations...

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Postby Allet Klar Chefs » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:00 pm

Nerotysia wrote:It's because of superior western medicine.

No, it isn't.

The Spanish case is a nursing fuck-up, something that nowhere is immune to.

If you think the simple existence of Zmapp or the recertification of other drug treatments is going to fix the problem of a serious ebola outbreak, it's because you're a wilful optimist who is happy to gulp down whatever you're told by pharmaceutical companies, not because you're well-informed.

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Postby United States Kingdom » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:07 pm

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That's why their is a union that is capable of dealing with the crisis.

And yet Ebola still continues to spread, devastating affected nations...

That is because the world really hasn't given the union a chance.

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Postby Martean » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:08 pm

Allet Klar Chefs wrote:
Nerotysia wrote:It's because of superior western medicine.

No, it isn't.

The Spanish case is a nursing fuck-up, something that nowhere is immune to.

If you think the simple existence of Zmapp or the recertification of other drug treatments is going to fix the problem of a serious ebola outbreak, it's because you're a wilful optimist who is happy to gulp down whatever you're told by pharmaceutical companies, not because you're well-informed.


It's not clear whether it was the nurse's fault, or the equipment. First of all, it was a level-2 costume what they were wearing (the WHO says it should be a level-4), moreover, the government was planning to close the hospital in which they were treating all the ebola cases, and were forced to reopen it in just a few hours, and, finally, many of her colleagues have said the government told them to say it was the nurse's fault, and taking into account the governemt hasn't been able of finding any evidence of human error...
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Postby New Decius » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:10 pm

Listen to what I say and calm down!

Ebola has not mutated and contrary to what the nut that started this thread says, it is highly unlikely that it will. Health and Science Officials of numerous countries such as America, France, Russia, Germany, Japan, and several others along with Officials from both the UN and EU, have stated that it is highly unlikely Ebola will mutate into an airborne strain as Ebola itself is not in such a classification of virus which could do that. Ebola is transferred via contact with the bodily fluids on an infected person (Meaning Blood, Vomit, Spit, Mucus, Urine, etc.) and the viral bacteria only rises to the surface of the skin of the body after death, so unless you are touching a dead person who was plagued by Ebola, without protective gear, within the first week or so since death, you will not get the virus just by touching the person themselves like via a handshake or pat on the back. Rumors like these are just started by people who are sick in the head enough to like watching panic, fear, and chaos run free. That's all these rumors of mutation are, rumors. Not fact. This kind of thing always happens when you listen to less official media sources like your local news or talk shows, instead of paying attention to what professionals are saying.

There are actually some very simple procedures to prevent the spread of Ebola if you come into contact with the fluids listed above. You can prevent the spread of Ebola same as how you would a Cold or a Flu. Wash your Hands, stay clean, be watchful and if you start to feel sick then waste no time in telling your doctor as a precaution. Again remember that such things are advised in the normal role of preventing the spread of disease but, as I said, be especially careful if you come into contact with the above fluids of a possibly infected person. Even on a regular, every day basis that should be clear.

Do you know what will hurt and kill more than Ebola? Fear and panic caused by these ridiculous mutation rumors that are started by the same people who said the world would end in 2012, and did it, NO! So be smart and don't believe everything your local news or favorite talk show host says. Stay calm and don't descend into hysteria.

The reason Ebola has spread so fast in West Africa is because people living there do not have access to the proper supplies to prevent its spread. People living, (And I am not trying to encourage Illegal Immigration here) in Second and First World Countries like the United States, United Kingdom, France, Belgium, Germany, Poland, Italy, Russia, Japan, Canada, Brazil, and other similar countries, do have access to the proper supplies to prevent the spread of the disease. Just remember that the best things you can do are to:
Stay Calm and Do Not Panic
Be careful of what you touch or step in
Stay Clean and do what you regularly would to prevent yourself getting sick from anything
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A thought to remember. Ebola patients will start to see Symptoms appear within 21 days of coming in contact with infected fluids. Be quick and ask, even just as a precaution, your doctor for the proper tests within a week of contact. Kill it before it can really fester.

Stay calm.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:11 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Nerotysia wrote:And yet Ebola still continues to spread, devastating affected nations...

That is because the world really hasn't given the union a chance.


How long has there been an outbreak for? Why didn't the union respond then?
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Postby Bolnoa » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:14 pm

Eh, Ebola has been around for a while since the 70s actually although now it's getting attention. I personally do my best to distance old news becoming popular now.

Though this is becoming a major issue.
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Postby Nerotysia » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:14 pm

Allet Klar Chefs wrote:
Nerotysia wrote:It's because of superior western medicine.

No, it isn't.

The Spanish case is a nursing fuck-up, something that nowhere is immune to.

If you think the simple existence of Zmapp or the recertification of other drug treatments is going to fix the problem of a serious ebola outbreak, it's because you're a wilful optimist who is happy to gulp down whatever you're told by pharmaceutical companies, not because you're well-informed.

And if you fail to see the difference between a rundown makeshift hospital in Africa and a state-of-the-art medical facility in the western world, you are nothing more than a radical idiot who sees evidence of pharmaceutical conspiracies everywhere.

Western medicine is miles ahead of African medicine, if only because of how freaking sanitary it is. You focus on drugs as if that's all we have to fight disease.

And yes, one "fuck-up" in Spain is indicative of a widespread failure of western medicine. Nice logic. Notice how despite more than three confirmed cases of westerners having the disease, the governments of the US and Europe aren't falling into disarray.

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Postby Allet Klar Chefs » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:24 pm

Nerotysia wrote:And yes, one "fuck-up" in Spain is indicative of a widespread failure of western medicine. Nice logic. Notice how despite more than three confirmed cases of westerners having the disease, the governments of the US and Europe aren't falling into disarray.

The governments of Western Africa didn't fall into disarray after more than three (literally 4+!) cases either.

The governments of Western Africa are still more or less in the same order they were before, and they're dealing with a serious outbreak that is actually a threat to thousands of people at this moment in time, instead of mostly just being an interesting but mostly intellectual problem as it is in the rest of the world.

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Postby United States Kingdom » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:28 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:That is because the world really hasn't given the union a chance.


How long has there been an outbreak for? Why didn't the union respond then?

http://www.timeslive.co.za/africa/2014/ ... in-liberia

Yes they have been sitting there doing nothing.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:31 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
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Indeed. I fear shark attacks more than I do Ebola and sharks can't even reach me.

But what if the sharks mutate and become airborne?


That would be so fucking cool! :lol:
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:33 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Nerotysia wrote:Dude, you don't seem to understand that if these things were being done already without US help we wouldn't be sending help. However, the situation has begun to spiral out of control and it's become clear the relevant governments are not up to the task alone.


That's why their is a union that is capable of dealing with the crisis.


So why didn't they just deal with it on their own before the Westerners showed up?
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Postby United States Kingdom » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:34 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:
That's why their is a union that is capable of dealing with the crisis.


So why didn't they just deal with it on their own before the Westerners showed up?


Do you have a source to prove the AU responded after America did.

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Postby Scomagia » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:35 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:and to build extra care facilities.


And Africans can't do that. Oh wait, we are to dumb to do such things right. Have you considered hiring a construction company from Africa to do it or at least have the AU help with building hospitals.

You know what? We're risking the lives of our men and women, both soldiers and aid workers, on your behalf. We are sinking money, on your behalf. We are doing this despite the fact that we have next to nothing to gain. Have some gratitude.
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:36 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Nerotysia wrote:Dude, you don't seem to understand that if these things were being done already without US help we wouldn't be sending help. However, the situation has begun to spiral out of control and it's become clear the relevant governments are not up to the task alone.


That's why their is a union that is capable of dealing with the crisis.

It obviously isn't capable, because we're having to deal with it. Suck it up and be grateful.
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Postby Alexanda » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:38 pm

A group of girls who attend my school (who had visited Liberia recently) were screened for the virus. Thankfully, they hadn't contracted it, although that was unlikely anyway.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:39 pm

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How I think of it....most countries should help out and try to stop it's spread, and it really isn't a massive threat.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:42 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
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So why didn't they just deal with it on their own before the Westerners showed up?


Do you have a source to prove the AU responded after America did.


Do you have a source to prove they had the problem under control before the US got involved? "Deal with it on their own" does not just mean responding in any way. It means actually getting the problem under control, which the AU has not done, and that is why Western countries are making their own efforts to help.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:43 pm

Scomagia wrote:
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And Africans can't do that. Oh wait, we are to dumb to do such things right. Have you considered hiring a construction company from Africa to do it or at least have the AU help with building hospitals.

You know what? We're risking the lives of our men and women, both soldiers and aid workers, on your behalf. We are sinking money, on your behalf. We are doing this despite the fact that we have next to nothing to gain. Have some gratitude.


Yet your retired generals oppose the sending of USA troops to Africa. Never said we didn't want your help but we don't need any foreign troops in our land. When did I state that I didn't want aid workers in Africa? My whole argument has been about no sending troops.

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Postby Scomagia » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:47 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Scomagia wrote:You know what? We're risking the lives of our men and women, both soldiers and aid workers, on your behalf. We are sinking money, on your behalf. We are doing this despite the fact that we have next to nothing to gain. Have some gratitude.


Yet your retired generals oppose the sending of USA troops to Africa. Never said we didn't want your help but we don't need any foreign troops in our land. When did I state that I didn't want aid workers in Africa? My whole argument has been about no sending troops.

The retired generals are irrelevant. The soldiers are necessary to protect our aid workers and supplies. Again, show some gratitude. We don't have to be there and we are getting nothing out of it.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:52 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:
Do you have a source to prove the AU responded after America did.


Do you have a source to prove they had the problem under control before the US got involved? "Deal with it on their own" does not just mean responding in any way. It means actually getting the problem under control, which the AU has not done, and that is why Western countries are making their own efforts to help.


Countering a question with a question doesn't help a debate? Truth is, I don't have a source because the Ebola outbreak just in December. You know why their is so much Anti-Americanism, its because you enter other countries affairs and while this is an international affair, it should be handled by the UN, the WHO, and the African Union, not USA trying to go there and start playing hero when their are international obligations that follow.

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Postby Torisakia » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:54 pm

Just saw on CNN a headline stating "if you see symptoms, consider Ebola". Looking at the list of symptoms of Ebola, I've had four of them within the past 3 weeks. Therefore, I have Ebola.

Guess I'm not going to school anymore. :p
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