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Postby Ironbarrow » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:08 pm

I learned my lesson from the swine flu, if everyone just remains calm it will all be better soon.

Unless the riots start for some unknown reason. The whole mob thing really draws me in.
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United States Kingdom
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Postby United States Kingdom » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:10 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:I oppose the fact that Obama is sending troops to Africa. Its just better to send health workers instead of

We've gone over this quite thoroughly at least once so far this thread.

Doesn't mean I can't state my opinion.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:11 pm

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Wisconsin9 wrote:We've gone over this quite thoroughly at least once so far this thread.

Doesn't mean I can't state my opinion.

Being able to say it doesn't mean it isn't a crap opinion.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:16 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:Doesn't mean I can't state my opinion.

Being able to say it doesn't mean it isn't a crap opinion.

It doesn't really matter what people say to me, I have the right to have an opinion that I think is legitimate which is I don't support American troops on our soil. Even in Kenya. I don't like the British troops being on our soil to train their and I hope that treaty isn't renewed.

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Postby Scomagia » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:18 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Being able to say it doesn't mean it isn't a crap opinion.

It doesn't really matter what people say to me, I have the right to have an opinion that I think is legitimate which is I don't support American troops on our soil. Even in Kenya. I don't like the British troops being on our soil to train their and I hope that treaty isn't renewed.

No one is implying that you don't have a right to your opinion. What's being said is that you opinion on this issue is pretty stupid, which is true.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:18 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Being able to say it doesn't mean it isn't a crap opinion.

It doesn't really matter what people say to me, I have the right to have an opinion that I think is legitimate which is I don't support American troops on our soil. Even in Kenya. I don't like the British troops being on our soil to train their and I hope that treaty isn't renewed.

I never said you don't have the right to an opinion. I just said that your opinion is shit.
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United Marxist Nations
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:20 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Being able to say it doesn't mean it isn't a crap opinion.

It doesn't really matter what people say to me, I have the right to have an opinion that I think is legitimate which is I don't support American troops on our soil. Even in Kenya. I don't like the British troops being on our soil to train their and I hope that treaty isn't renewed.

Of course you have an opinion, but your opinion is bad, so we're disregarding it.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:20 pm

Scomagia wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:It doesn't really matter what people say to me, I have the right to have an opinion that I think is legitimate which is I don't support American troops on our soil. Even in Kenya. I don't like the British troops being on our soil to train their and I hope that treaty isn't renewed.

No one is implying that you don't have a right to your opinion. What's being said is that you opinion on this issue is pretty stupid, which is true.

Can I hear why?

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:21 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Scomagia wrote:No one is implying that you don't have a right to your opinion. What's being said is that you opinion on this issue is pretty stupid, which is true.

Can I hear why?

Because the Ebola patients have broken out of quarantined camps, and others have attacked doctors because of a distrust of Western medicine and Westerners in general, so the soldiers are needed to help keep order.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:22 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Scomagia wrote:No one is implying that you don't have a right to your opinion. What's being said is that you opinion on this issue is pretty stupid, which is true.

Can I hear why?

IIRC it's because most of the military personnel are there to keep medical staff and supplies safe, and to help keep things organized.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:23 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Scomagia wrote:No one is implying that you don't have a right to your opinion. What's being said is that you opinion on this issue is pretty stupid, which is true.

Can I hear why?

Because the soldiers are needed to keep order.
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United States Kingdom
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Postby United States Kingdom » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:24 pm

Scomagia wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:Can I hear why?

Because the soldiers are needed to keep order.


And the African Union is incapable of doing that right?

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Postby United States Kingdom » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:26 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:Can I hear why?

Because the Ebola patients have broken out of quarantined camps, and others have attacked doctors because of a distrust of Western medicine and Westerners in general, so the soldiers are needed to help keep order.

Why can't you allow African troops on the ground? The Ebola patients will most likely trust Africans more than Westerners and they could keep order as well.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:26 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Because the soldiers are needed to keep order.


And the African Union is incapable of doing that right?

That is correct. Don't know if you're that knowledgeable about Africa, but the African Union isn't exactly a crack organization.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:27 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Because the Ebola patients have broken out of quarantined camps, and others have attacked doctors because of a distrust of Western medicine and Westerners in general, so the soldiers are needed to help keep order.

Why can't you allow African troops on the ground? The Ebola patients will most likely trust Africans more than Westerners and they could keep order as well.

The current situation has made it more than clear that the national governments of the effected areas are not up to the task.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:27 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Because the soldiers are needed to keep order.


And the African Union is incapable of doing that right?

They have failed to do so thus far.
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United Marxist Nations
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:27 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Because the Ebola patients have broken out of quarantined camps, and others have attacked doctors because of a distrust of Western medicine and Westerners in general, so the soldiers are needed to help keep order.

Why can't you allow African troops on the ground? The Ebola patients will most likely trust Africans more than Westerners and they could keep order as well.

Because African militaries don't have the kind of training and equipment necessary. They would lack even basic disease containment equipment.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:29 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Because the soldiers are needed to keep order.


And the African Union is incapable of doing that right?

*looks at the situation when Obama announced we were sending troops*

Basically.
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:31 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
greed and death wrote:Confirmed the Spanish variant is more easily transmitted.

Dozens in Spain affected.

Your normal joking bullshit is even more worse than useless right now.

Affected not infected.

One Ebola Patient likely affects dozens who have to be quarantined and observed and the staff that must help and provide for them.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:39 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:
And the African Union is incapable of doing that right?

*looks at the situation when Obama announced we were sending troops*

Basically.


Then the USA should help the African Union be capable. Even your Generals are blasting Obama for sending troops to Africa.

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Postby Scomagia » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:42 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:*looks at the situation when Obama announced we were sending troops*

Basically.


Then the USA should help the African Union be capable. Even your Generals are blasting Obama for sending troops to Africa.

The amount of work and time required in bringing the AU up to speed here is greater than can be afforded. This issue, while minor globally, needs to be dealt with quickly.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:42 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:*looks at the situation when Obama announced we were sending troops*

Basically.


Then the USA should help the African Union be capable. Even your Generals are blasting Obama for sending troops to Africa.

Riiiight, because it really only takes a couple of weeks to train up a capable force! :roll:

Source for generals blasting Obama?
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Postby United States Kingdom » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:44 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:
Then the USA should help the African Union be capable. Even your Generals are blasting Obama for sending troops to Africa.

Riiiight, because it really only takes a couple of weeks to train up a capable force! :roll:

Source for generals blasting Obama?

http://www.wnd.com/2014/10/generals-bla ... ght-ebola/

Obviously it doesn't take a couple of weeks. I didn't even imply that. The USA has helped the African Union fight terrorists in Somalia, why can't they help the AU fight Ebola?

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Postby Scomagia » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:47 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Riiiight, because it really only takes a couple of weeks to train up a capable force! :roll:

Source for generals blasting Obama?

http://www.wnd.com/2014/10/generals-bla ... ght-ebola/

Obviously it doesn't take a couple of weeks. I didn't even imply that. The USA has helped the African Union fight terrorists in Somalia, why can't they help the AU fight Ebola?

Dealing with pathogens is not something that is easy to learn, or at least isn't quick to learn. We cannot afford to spend the required amount of time teaching them while at the same time doing nothing. So yes, we can teach the AU how to deal with this, but until they are finished being trained, someone has to be there.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:48 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Riiiight, because it really only takes a couple of weeks to train up a capable force! :roll:

Source for generals blasting Obama?

http://www.wnd.com/2014/10/generals-bla ... ght-ebola/

Obviously it doesn't take a couple of weeks. I didn't even imply that. The USA has helped the African Union fight terrorists in Somalia, why can't they help the AU fight Ebola?

The US troops in Ebola-land are a stop-gap measure in an emergency scenario. Do you need to be reminded that the US sent troops for the same in Somalia?
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