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Postby East Africa1 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:11 pm

Great.Ebola might be in Kenya, a major transport hub in East and Central Africa and where I come from.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:11 pm

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Scomagia wrote:Each nation has two infected. So, for both of those nations, two does not make a threat.

Now you're dividing when both qualify as developed countries? This is ridiculous! How am I to trust a man who is willing to use the old dividing down the argument trick? (When someone separates something that might be viewed a certain ways and makes it seem smaller. For example, if I want to lower Ebola and there were somehow a parallel number of people in Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea, so I say "Don't worry there are only 2,000 infected people" referring to the number per country, I am making this 1/3 as serious a statistic.)


The fact is Ebola hasn't killed everyone and their grandmother in Dallas or Braintree yet, so how the fuck are we supposed to be worried this is exactly a "threat" when we don't give a fuck since it's contained in a hospital?
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Postby -Ebola- » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:13 pm

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It really depends on your definition of "a threat." WHO may have a better idea than Scomagia of what my fellow viruses can and can't do, but that doesn't mean Scomagia has to agree with their definition of "a threat." So 4000 people have died of Ebola... Well, how many people have died of AIDS during the same time frame? How many people have died of malaria? How many people have died of cancer or bee stings or homicide? And yet people have lived with AIDS, malaria, cancer, bees, and other human beings for many years.

If you're worried that some more people will catch Ebola, then yes, that will happen. The outbreak is not over yet. If you're worried about the collapse of civilization as you know it due to Ebola, that is about as likely as the collapse of civilization as you know it due to an asteroid hitting the Earth.

Okay to the first part, but I never claimed the end was nigh. To the second part, source?


I'm Ebola. I know my limitations. I can't fly. I don't kill everyone I touch. I'm not indestructible. I'm not really trying that hard to infect people. Human civilization survived the Plague, and you have better medical care now than you did then. Outside West Africa there have been no cases of people becoming infected through casual contact. The only cases have been either people who were infected in Africa or people who put themselves at risk by purposely handling the infected -- nobody that just caught the disease and has no idea how they got it. There are already experimental drugs being developed and tested, so if I don't destroy human civilization quickly, I'm never going to do it at all. And I've never been the sort of virus that wants to take the world by storm. It's just not my style.

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Postby Alouite » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:15 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Alouite wrote:Now you're dividing when both qualify as developed countries? This is ridiculous! How am I to trust a man who is willing to use the old dividing down the argument trick? (When someone separates something that might be viewed a certain ways and makes it seem smaller. For example, if I want to lower Ebola and there were somehow a parallel number of people in Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea, so I say "Don't worry there are only 2,000 infected people" referring to the number per country, I am making this 1/3 as serious a statistic.)


The fact is Ebola hasn't killed everyone and their grandmother in Dallas or Braintree yet, so how the fuck are we supposed to be worried this is exactly a "threat" when we don't give a fuck since it's contained in a hospital?

I never said we should, but I stated that overestimating something like a virus is better than the opposite, as long as we remember what the facts of it are. Overpreparedness always wins out, think of it as an unannounced fire drill, people need diseases like these or we won't know how to act when the big ones come around. And as to how we are supposed to be worried, (well the grammar killed me in that sentence) I don't know how the human brain is supposed to react and/or overreact to a virus, but I know that we already are.
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Postby Alouite » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:17 pm

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Alouite wrote:Okay to the first part, but I never claimed the end was nigh. To the second part, source?


I'm Ebola. I know my limitations. I can't fly. I don't kill everyone I touch. I'm not indestructible. I'm not really trying that hard to infect people. Human civilization survived the Plague, and you have better medical care now than you did then. Outside West Africa there have been no cases of people becoming infected through casual contact. The only cases have been either people who were infected in Africa or people who put themselves at risk by purposely handling the infected -- nobody that just caught the disease and has no idea how they got it. There are already experimental drugs being developed and tested, so if I don't destroy human civilization quickly, I'm never going to do it at all. And I've never been the sort of virus that wants to take the world by storm. It's just not my style.

Asteroids are a thing.


Except that I want a real source. Not an NSer. (This is OOC so though I hate pointing it out I have to use the 'you aren't really ebola' card, sorry)
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Postby -Ebola- » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:18 pm

East Africa1 wrote:Great.Ebola might be in Kenya, a major transport hub in East and Central Africa and where I come from.


I do love to travel! :)
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Postby East Africa1 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:19 pm

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East Africa1 wrote:Great.Ebola might be in Kenya, a major transport hub in East and Central Africa and where I come from.


I do love to travel! :)

DAMN YOU EBOLAAAA

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:21 pm

Alouite wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
The fact is Ebola hasn't killed everyone and their grandmother in Dallas or Braintree yet, so how the fuck are we supposed to be worried this is exactly a "threat" when we don't give a fuck since it's contained in a hospital?

I never said we should, but I stated that overestimating something like a virus is better than the opposite, as long as we remember what the facts of it are. Overpreparedness always wins out, think of it as an unannounced fire drill, people need diseases like these or we won't know how to act when the big ones come around. And as to how we are supposed to be worried, (well the grammar killed me in that sentence) I don't know how the human brain is supposed to react and/or overreact to a virus, but I know that we already are.


Ebola is in fact the deadliest virus known to humans so far that is the kind of virus who doesn't fuck around that much once is in your system.

Overpreparedness for what? For Ebola? Ebola has been around since forever, it is just recently that an outbreak has happened. The only reason why we don't know what to do wiht it is because it wasn't until it infected Americans that pharmaceutical companies down here are starting to give a rat's ass about it.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:23 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Alouite wrote:I never said we should, but I stated that overestimating something like a virus is better than the opposite, as long as we remember what the facts of it are. Overpreparedness always wins out, think of it as an unannounced fire drill, people need diseases like these or we won't know how to act when the big ones come around. And as to how we are supposed to be worried, (well the grammar killed me in that sentence) I don't know how the human brain is supposed to react and/or overreact to a virus, but I know that we already are.


Ebola is in fact the deadliest virus known to humans so far that is the kind of virus who doesn't fuck around that much once is in your system.

Overpreparedness for what? For Ebola? Ebola has been around since forever, it is just recently that an outbreak has happened. The only reason why we don't know what to do wiht it is because it wasn't until it infected Americans that pharmaceutical companies down here starting to give a rat's ass about it.

Deadliest by what measure?
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Postby East Africa1 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:23 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Alouite wrote:I never said we should, but I stated that overestimating something like a virus is better than the opposite, as long as we remember what the facts of it are. Overpreparedness always wins out, think of it as an unannounced fire drill, people need diseases like these or we won't know how to act when the big ones come around. And as to how we are supposed to be worried, (well the grammar killed me in that sentence) I don't know how the human brain is supposed to react and/or overreact to a virus, but I know that we already are.


Ebola is in fact the deadliest virus known to humans so far that is the kind of virus who doesn't fuck around that much once is in your system.

Overpreparedness for what? For Ebola? Ebola has been around since forever, it is just recently that an outbreak has happened. The only reason why we don't know what to do wiht it is because it wasn't until it infected Americans that pharmaceutical companies down here are starting to give a rat's ass about it.


So its more deadlier than Malaria, HIV?

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:25 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Ebola is in fact the deadliest virus known to humans so far that is the kind of virus who doesn't fuck around that much once is in your system.

Overpreparedness for what? For Ebola? Ebola has been around since forever, it is just recently that an outbreak has happened. The only reason why we don't know what to do wiht it is because it wasn't until it infected Americans that pharmaceutical companies down here starting to give a rat's ass about it.

Deadliest by what measure?


By the fact there's no cure available and that you die one of the most horrible deaths known so far (no, as much as you think dying with a carrot jammed in your throat might be more horrible, I'd think bleeding out of all possible orifices is worse).
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Postby -Ebola- » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:28 pm

Alouite wrote:
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I'm Ebola. I know my limitations. I can't fly. I don't kill everyone I touch. I'm not indestructible. I'm not really trying that hard to infect people. Human civilization survived the Plague, and you have better medical care now than you did then. Outside West Africa there have been no cases of people becoming infected through casual contact. The only cases have been either people who were infected in Africa or people who put themselves at risk by purposely handling the infected -- nobody that just caught the disease and has no idea how they got it. There are already experimental drugs being developed and tested, so if I don't destroy human civilization quickly, I'm never going to do it at all. And I've never been the sort of virus that wants to take the world by storm. It's just not my style.

Asteroids are a thing.


Except that I want a real source. Not an NSer. (This is OOC so though I hate pointing it out I have to use the 'you aren't really ebola' card, sorry)


How do you know I'm not really Ebola? Are you one of those people that doesn't think viruses are alive?

And why do you need a source? Appeals to authority are sometimes an acceptable way to make an argument, but that doesn't mean they are the only legitimate form of argument.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:29 pm

East Africa1 wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Ebola is in fact the deadliest virus known to humans so far that is the kind of virus who doesn't fuck around that much once is in your system.

Overpreparedness for what? For Ebola? Ebola has been around since forever, it is just recently that an outbreak has happened. The only reason why we don't know what to do wiht it is because it wasn't until it infected Americans that pharmaceutical companies down here are starting to give a rat's ass about it.


So its more deadlier than Malaria, HIV?


In effects to the body? Sure.

In the fact that it is untreatable and incurable, no, not necessarily.
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Postby -Ebola- » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:29 pm

East Africa1 wrote:
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I do love to travel! :)

DAMN YOU EBOLAAAA


But I'm not fireproof... :(
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:30 pm

-Ebola- wrote:
Alouite wrote:
Except that I want a real source. Not an NSer. (This is OOC so though I hate pointing it out I have to use the 'you aren't really ebola' card, sorry)


How do you know I'm not really Ebola? Are you one of those people that doesn't think viruses are alive?

And why do you need a source? Appeals to authority are sometimes an acceptable way to make an argument, but that doesn't mean they are the only legitimate form of argument.


I dunno, viruses have technically none of the structures even prokaryotes have, so you guys are curious creatures.
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Postby East Africa1 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:30 pm

-Ebola- wrote:
East Africa1 wrote:DAMN YOU EBOLAAAA


But I'm not fireproof... :(

I am so sorry. Ill be your best friend. We will make a new ebola called Ebola East Africa.

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Postby Scomagia » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:32 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Deadliest by what measure?


By the fact there's no cure available and that you die one of the most horrible deaths known so far (no, as much as you think dying with a carrot jammed in your throat might be more horrible, I'd think bleeding out of all possible orifices is worse).

Rabies is far more deadly. While there is a vaccine, by the time you start showing symptoms it's almost universally fatal. To my knowledge, only two people have survived Rabies. Ebola, while having no vaccine, is not as fatal.
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Postby Alouite » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:33 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Alouite wrote:I never said we should, but I stated that overestimating something like a virus is better than the opposite, as long as we remember what the facts of it are. Overpreparedness always wins out, think of it as an unannounced fire drill, people need diseases like these or we won't know how to act when the big ones come around. And as to how we are supposed to be worried, (well the grammar killed me in that sentence) I don't know how the human brain is supposed to react and/or overreact to a virus, but I know that we already are.


Ebola is in fact the deadliest virus known to humans so far that is the kind of virus who doesn't fuck around that much once is in your system.

Overpreparedness for what? For Ebola? Ebola has been around since forever, it is just recently that an outbreak has happened. The only reason why we don't know what to do wiht it is because it wasn't until it infected Americans that pharmaceutical companies down here are starting to give a rat's ass about it.

Are you one of those people that likes to be angry? That's besides the point because the Flu is more deadly than Ebola with a much higher level of contagion (Being an unstable airborne virus) and has a much higher death toll. Not to mention that a strain occasionally comes out wiping out millions or at least thousands every few decades. On another topic I never said that U was defending big pharma, I never even mentioned it, though Ebola has only been in proven existence since the early 20th century and the current ebola is a new strain of it. (There have been several different strains over the years you know...)
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:42 pm

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Soldati senza confini wrote:
Ebola is in fact the deadliest virus known to humans so far that is the kind of virus who doesn't fuck around that much once is in your system.

Overpreparedness for what? For Ebola? Ebola has been around since forever, it is just recently that an outbreak has happened. The only reason why we don't know what to do wiht it is because it wasn't until it infected Americans that pharmaceutical companies down here are starting to give a rat's ass about it.

Are you one of those people that likes to be angry? That's besides the point because the Flu is more deadly than Ebola with a much higher level of contagion (Being an unstable airborne virus) and has a much higher death toll. Not to mention that a strain occasionally comes out wiping out millions or at least thousands every few decades. On another topic I never said that U was defending big pharma, I never even mentioned it, though Ebola has only been in proven existence since the early 20th century and the current ebola is a new strain of it. (There have been several different strains over the years you know...)


Okay first of all I'm not denying Influenza is deadly, I'm just saying, Ebola isn't a big concern because it's not even super contagious. Ebola is as contagious as AIDS is really.

Secondly, I never said anything about defending or bashing big pharma. I'm just saying that overpreparedness for a disease that's under control is ridiculous. We should take precautions and help those infected, but that doesn't make it needed to be all hysterical about it like I've seen here; hecek not even in Dallas we're being thrown into hysterics and we've been closer to patient zero than perhaps you have been.
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Postby Vekalse » Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:21 pm

This is getting interesting. Hopefully we can prevent more dead. Ban West-African travel!
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:25 pm

Nurse's boyfriend appears to have Ebola.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/breaki ... may-ebola/
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greed and death wrote:Nurse's boyfriend appears to have Ebola.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/breaki ... may-ebola/


Weeks ago, no-one would believe me. Whelp.

It's sad, really. Thomas could've been stopped! Why didn't the U.S Government BAN flights from those areas?
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Postby The Free Dragon Republic » Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:36 pm

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How old are you that you don't know that the Bubonic plague, polio, and smallpox are all bacteria are curable, but that Ebola is a VIRUS- viruses aren't curable, they can only be vaccinated against...? :eyebrow:

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Postby Nerotysia » Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:38 pm

The Free Dragon Republic wrote:
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How old are you that you don't know that the Bubonic plague, polio, and smallpox are all bacteria are curable, but that Ebola is a VIRUS- viruses aren't curable, they can only be vaccinated against...? :eyebrow:

They're still manageable.

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How old are you that you don't know that the Bubonic plague, polio, and smallpox are all bacteria are curable, but that Ebola is a VIRUS- viruses aren't curable, they can only be vaccinated against...? :eyebrow:

There are some antiviral treatments. Nowhere near what we have with antibiotics. Maybe close to where we were with the Sulpha drugs.
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