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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:53 pm

Since that Hospital is along my commute route who thinks I should pretend to be an Ebola stricken person that escaped from the hospital and got on the train ? I would love to see everyone freak out.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:59 pm

greed and death wrote:Since that Hospital is along my commute route who thinks I should pretend to be an Ebola stricken person that escaped from the hospital and got on the train ? I would love to see everyone freak out.


:rofl:

As a resident in Dallas I'd find this funny to find in the Dallas Morning News this week :p

"Ebola patient breaks out of hospital, hops on train; authorities concerned" :lol:
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:00 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
greed and death wrote:Since that Hospital is along my commute route who thinks I should pretend to be an Ebola stricken person that escaped from the hospital and got on the train ? I would love to see everyone freak out.


:rofl:

As a resident in Dallas I'd find this funny to find int he Dallas Morning News this week :p

It would make a great viral video.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:01 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
greed and death wrote:Since that Hospital is along my commute route who thinks I should pretend to be an Ebola stricken person that escaped from the hospital and got on the train ? I would love to see everyone freak out.


:rofl:

As a resident in Dallas I'd find this funny to find in the Dallas Morning News this week :p

"Ebola patient breaks out of hospital, hops on train; authorities concerned" :lol:

Ride the red line up to Plano freak out the rich people.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:07 pm

greed and death wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
:rofl:

As a resident in Dallas I'd find this funny to find in the Dallas Morning News this week :p

"Ebola patient breaks out of hospital, hops on train; authorities concerned" :lol:

Ride the red line up to Plano freak out the rich people.


Or the Blue Line towards the VA Hospital :p
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Postby Othelos » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:09 pm

I hope that person in Boston turns out to not have ebola.
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Postby Othelos » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:10 pm

greed and death wrote:Since that Hospital is along my commute route who thinks I should pretend to be an Ebola stricken person that escaped from the hospital and got on the train ? I would love to see everyone freak out.

Nah, don't be like that idiot who said he had ebola while on the plane.
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Postby Kenya1 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:12 pm

greed and death wrote:Since that Hospital is along my commute route who thinks I should pretend to be an Ebola stricken person that escaped from the hospital and got on the train ? I would love to see everyone freak out.

You would be my favorite person of all time.
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Postby Alouite » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:15 pm

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Alouite wrote:Oh I see, just curious, which medical university did you graduate from and how long have you studied the threat of this strain of Ebola to other countries? Because unless you are credible yourself, I will not take your word for it.

The fact that WHO says something does not inherently make it true. WHO is a wonderful organization, but that does not preclude them from being wrong. Ebola is poorly transmitted and highly lethal to the infected, not a good mix for widespread infection.

Yes, but I prefer the word of professional world renowned doctors over the common folk, you see, I use a little thing called Logic, because we all know what happens when we forget to use it... George W. Bushes get elected. (That last bit was a joke to counteract my denunciation of you as a source)
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:15 pm

Othelos wrote:
greed and death wrote:Since that Hospital is along my commute route who thinks I should pretend to be an Ebola stricken person that escaped from the hospital and got on the train ? I would love to see everyone freak out.

Nah, don't be like that idiot who said he had ebola while on the plane.

That was funny.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:18 pm

Alouite wrote:
Scomagia wrote:The fact that WHO says something does not inherently make it true. WHO is a wonderful organization, but that does not preclude them from being wrong. Ebola is poorly transmitted and highly lethal to the infected, not a good mix for widespread infection.

Yes, but I prefer the word of professional world renowned doctors over the common folk, you see, I use a little thing called Logic, because we all know what happens when we forget to use it... George W. Bushes get elected. (That last bit was a joke to counteract my denunciation of you as a source)

So basically, Appeal to Authority? WHO says this is a threat, so it is a threat? Doesn't sound like logic to me.
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Postby Alouite » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:24 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Alouite wrote:Yes, but I prefer the word of professional world renowned doctors over the common folk, you see, I use a little thing called Logic, because we all know what happens when we forget to use it... George W. Bushes get elected. (That last bit was a joke to counteract my denunciation of you as a source)

So basically, Appeal to Authority? WHO says this is a threat, so it is a threat? Doesn't sound like logic to me.

No, Take the word of people with knowledge on the subject over those who don't. If a man ran up to me and told me that Physics was wrong, and that he had a life in a janitor's office and not a day of studying to back up his word, but then a physical scientist said otherwise, I would appeal to the Scientist. And if a physician could prove a flaw in the concept of physics and say it needed improvement and had years of data and research along with an example to prove it, I would be willing to potentially open my mind to it, and when other scientists agreed, I'd join the bandwagon. In real life, you are the Janitor that has no years of study on the subject and the WHO is the Physical Scientist who knows what he is saying. It doesn't mean that he too is wrong, but people would have to prove him wrong and they too would need credible research on the subject and proof.
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Postby Alouite » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:26 pm

Alouite wrote:
Scomagia wrote:So basically, Appeal to Authority? WHO says this is a threat, so it is a threat? Doesn't sound like logic to me.

No, Take the word of people with knowledge on the subject over those who don't. If a man ran up to me and told me that Physics was wrong, and that he had a life in a janitor's office and not a day of studying to back up his word, but then a physical scientist said otherwise, I would appeal to the Scientist. And if a physician could prove a flaw in the concept of physics and say it needed improvement and had years of data and research along with an example to prove it, I would be willing to potentially open my mind to it, and when other scientists agreed, I'd join the bandwagon. In real life, you are the Janitor that has no years of study on the subject and the WHO is the Physical Scientist who knows what he is saying. It doesn't mean that he too is wrong, but people would have to prove him wrong and they too would need credible research on the subject and proof.

For that matter, if Barack Obama came up to me and said that Physics was wrong and couldn't give me proof or even his credentials in the scientific field, I'd not believe him, but if a physician with years of study said he was wrong and had proof that was checked by fellow scientists, I'd believe him over Obama.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:28 pm

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Scomagia wrote:There's a difference between the two. Avian Flu and H1N1 were both, being strains of influenza, highly contagious. While the actual risk of death from any individual case of influenza is low, the risk of infection is fairly high. Obviously the more people that can get sick, the more people that can die. This is why Ebola is really not anything to worry about. The fact that the means of Ebola transmission are not particularly effective, combined with its high mortality rate, means that it is much less likely to widely spread and is more susceptible to burn out that influenza. The real threat that I've seen, particularly here in the states, is panic and the voices that spread it. The American news media has been incredibly irresponsible with their coverage, dipping down into levels of sensationalism completely unbecoming of legitimate journalists.


Please provide examples of how journalists have presented more of a threat than ebola has? Ebola has killed thousands of people. Given your sensationalist language about journalists I'm going to assume that journalists have killed, say 40,000? But you tell me the real number.

How many people have died from these journalists being "sensationalist"?

No one, to my knowledge, has died from the irresponsible actions of the news media. Conveniently, however, that's not my point. My point is that this "crisis" will burn itself out, limiting its long lasting effects. The effects of the actions of the news media, however, will be much farther reaching. Over reacting and over covering this "crisis" will desensitize people, especially once they realize that there's fuck all to worry about. So, when a virus comes along that we actually should be worried about, people are going to take their word less seriously and that will almost certainly lead to deaths through ignorance. There's also the fact that, were this a genuine threat, this sort of coverage would be causing panic among those who still care what the news media has to say, which would definitely lead to deaths. This is a matter of standards and frankly, I find the standards among modern "journalists" to be lacking.
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Postby -Ebola- » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:39 pm

Alouite wrote:
Scomagia wrote:So basically, Appeal to Authority? WHO says this is a threat, so it is a threat? Doesn't sound like logic to me.

No, Take the word of people with knowledge on the subject over those who don't. If a man ran up to me and told me that Physics was wrong, and that he had a life in a janitor's office and not a day of studying to back up his word, but then a physical scientist said otherwise, I would appeal to the Scientist. And if a physician could prove a flaw in the concept of physics and say it needed improvement and had years of data and research along with an example to prove it, I would be willing to potentially open my mind to it, and when other scientists agreed, I'd join the bandwagon. In real life, you are the Janitor that has no years of study on the subject and the WHO is the Physical Scientist who knows what he is saying. It doesn't mean that he too is wrong, but people would have to prove him wrong and they too would need credible research on the subject and proof.


It really depends on your definition of "a threat." WHO may have a better idea than Scomagia of what my fellow viruses can and can't do, but that doesn't mean Scomagia has to agree with their definition of "a threat." So 4000 people have died of Ebola... Well, how many people have died of AIDS during the same time frame? How many people have died of malaria? How many people have died of cancer or bee stings or homicide? And yet people have lived with AIDS, malaria, cancer, bees, and other human beings for many years.

If you're worried that some more people will catch Ebola, then yes, that will happen. The outbreak is not over yet. If you're worried about the collapse of civilization as you know it due to Ebola, that is about as likely as the collapse of civilization as you know it due to an asteroid hitting the Earth.
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Postby Alouite » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:45 pm

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Alouite wrote:No, Take the word of people with knowledge on the subject over those who don't. If a man ran up to me and told me that Physics was wrong, and that he had a life in a janitor's office and not a day of studying to back up his word, but then a physical scientist said otherwise, I would appeal to the Scientist. And if a physician could prove a flaw in the concept of physics and say it needed improvement and had years of data and research along with an example to prove it, I would be willing to potentially open my mind to it, and when other scientists agreed, I'd join the bandwagon. In real life, you are the Janitor that has no years of study on the subject and the WHO is the Physical Scientist who knows what he is saying. It doesn't mean that he too is wrong, but people would have to prove him wrong and they too would need credible research on the subject and proof.


It really depends on your definition of "a threat." WHO may have a better idea than Scomagia of what my fellow viruses can and can't do, but that doesn't mean Scomagia has to agree with their definition of "a threat." So 4000 people have died of Ebola... Well, how many people have died of AIDS during the same time frame? How many people have died of malaria? How many people have died of cancer or bee stings or homicide? And yet people have lived with AIDS, malaria, cancer, bees, and other human beings for many years.

If you're worried that some more people will catch Ebola, then yes, that will happen. The outbreak is not over yet. If you're worried about the collapse of civilization as you know it due to Ebola, that is about as likely as the collapse of civilization as you know it due to an asteroid hitting the Earth.

Okay to the first part, but I never claimed the end was nigh. To the second part, source?
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:47 pm

Alouite wrote:
Alouite wrote:No, Take the word of people with knowledge on the subject over those who don't. If a man ran up to me and told me that Physics was wrong, and that he had a life in a janitor's office and not a day of studying to back up his word, but then a physical scientist said otherwise, I would appeal to the Scientist. And if a physician could prove a flaw in the concept of physics and say it needed improvement and had years of data and research along with an example to prove it, I would be willing to potentially open my mind to it, and when other scientists agreed, I'd join the bandwagon. In real life, you are the Janitor that has no years of study on the subject and the WHO is the Physical Scientist who knows what he is saying. It doesn't mean that he too is wrong, but people would have to prove him wrong and they too would need credible research on the subject and proof.

For that matter, if Barack Obama came up to me and said that Physics was wrong and couldn't give me proof or even his credentials in the scientific field, I'd not believe him, but if a physician with years of study said he was wrong and had proof that was checked by fellow scientists, I'd believe him over Obama.

It's up to you. If you agree with WHO's assessment, fine. I, personally, am unconvinced that this is a threat to anyone but the already effected African nations.
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Postby Alouite » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:47 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Alouite wrote:For that matter, if Barack Obama came up to me and said that Physics was wrong and couldn't give me proof or even his credentials in the scientific field, I'd not believe him, but if a physician with years of study said he was wrong and had proof that was checked by fellow scientists, I'd believe him over Obama.

It's up to you. If you agree with WHO's assessment, fine. I, personally, am unconvinced that this is a threat to anyone but the already effected African nations.

Yes but... Source? Or is this an on a whim assessment?
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:51 pm

Alouite wrote:
Scomagia wrote:It's up to you. If you agree with WHO's assessment, fine. I, personally, am unconvinced that this is a threat to anyone but the already effected African nations.

Yes but... Source? Or is this an on a whim assessment?

Source for what, that I'm unconvinced? I haven't seen any evidence that convinces me that Ebola is a threat to anyone other than the aforementioned African nations.
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Postby Alouite » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:55 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Alouite wrote:Yes but... Source? Or is this an on a whim assessment?

Source for what, that I'm unconvinced? I haven't seen any evidence that convinces me that Ebola is a threat to anyone other than the aforementioned African nations.

A quote that proves " that this is [Not] a threat to anyone but the already effected African nations."
Because that should be affected first of all, but secondly there are four people that'd disagree. A dead man in Dallas, an infected man in Spain, an infected Nurse in Spain, and an Infected Nurse in the US.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:57 pm

Alouite wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Source for what, that I'm unconvinced? I haven't seen any evidence that convinces me that Ebola is a threat to anyone other than the aforementioned African nations.

A quote that proves " that this is [Not] a threat to anyone but the already effected African nations."
Because that should be affected first of all, but secondly there are four people that'd disagree. A dead man in Dallas, an infected man in Spain, an infected Nurse in Spain, and an Infected Nurse in the US.

Two people does not a threat make.
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Postby Alouite » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:00 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Alouite wrote:A quote that proves " that this is [Not] a threat to anyone but the already effected African nations."
Because that should be affected first of all, but secondly there are four people that'd disagree. (1)A dead man in Dallas, (2)an infected man in Spain, (3)an infected Nurse in Spain, (4)and an Infected Nurse in the US.

Two people does not a threat make.

2=4? Maybe you do oppose physics!
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:01 pm

Alouite wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Source for what, that I'm unconvinced? I haven't seen any evidence that convinces me that Ebola is a threat to anyone other than the aforementioned African nations.

A quote that proves " that this is [Not] a threat to anyone but the already effected African nations."
Because that should be affected first of all, but secondly there are four people that'd disagree. A dead man in Dallas, an infected man in Spain, an infected Nurse in Spain, and an Infected Nurse in the US.


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Postby Scomagia » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:02 pm

Alouite wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Two people does not a threat make.

2=4? Maybe you do oppose physics!

Each nation has two infected. So, for both of those nations, two does not make a threat.
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Postby Alouite » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:09 pm

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Alouite wrote:2=4? Maybe you do oppose physics!

Each nation has two infected. So, for both of those nations, two does not make a threat.

Now you're dividing when both qualify as developed countries? This is ridiculous! How am I to trust a man who is willing to use the old dividing down the argument trick? (When someone separates something that might be viewed a certain ways and makes it seem smaller. For example, if I want to lower Ebola and there were somehow a parallel number of people in Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea, so I say "Don't worry there are only 2,000 infected people" referring to the number per country, I am making this 1/3 as serious a statistic.)
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