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What Type of Jew are You?

Orthodox
22
8%
Modern Orthodox
5
2%
Conservative
40
15%
Reform
49
18%
Irreligious
104
38%
Other
38
14%
Karaite
9
3%
Reconstructionist
5
2%
 
Total votes : 272

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The Tribe of Judah
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Postby The Tribe of Judah » Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:12 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Tribe of Judah wrote:My original comment was in response to LG suggesting that a Prophet was chosen. And it was meant mainly in jest. I presumed in questioning my comment you were following on from the original statement.

That's fine, but you responded to my post.

I responded to Lunatic Goofballs talking about recruiting a prophet and suggesting Bill Goldberg.

The Tribe of Judah wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Edit: It might also be helpful to recruit a 'prophet'. You know, someone to say that God told Him that a new temple in Miami is what He wants the Jews to build. I recommend former pro wrestler, Bill Goldberg. Who is going to call him a liar to his face?

Would be a better claimant than Jesus Christ I suppose.

Then you asked me why.

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Tribe of Judah wrote:Would be a better claimant than Jesus Christ I suppose.

Why? Jesus was a jew.


And then I explained why I believe Jesus was a false prophet/messiah.
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:16 pm

The Tribe of Judah wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:That's fine, but you responded to my post.

I responded to Lunatic Goofballs talking about recruiting a prophet and suggesting Bill Goldberg.

The Tribe of Judah wrote:Would be a better claimant than Jesus Christ I suppose.

Then you asked me why.

Ethel mermania wrote:Why? Jesus was a jew.


And then I explained why I believe Jesus was a false prophet/messiah.

Ah, now I get it. Thanks

But I disagree. Jesus tried to effect change to the Jewish practices of the time. He preached to jews. His lack of messiahNess doesn't change the fact he was a Jewish preacher, he wasn't talking to romans.
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Benuty
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Postby Benuty » Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:18 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Tribe of Judah wrote:I responded to Lunatic Goofballs talking about recruiting a prophet and suggesting Bill Goldberg.


Then you asked me why.



And then I explained why I believe Jesus was a false prophet/messiah.

Ah, now I get it. Thanks

But I disagree. Jesus tried to effect change to the Jewish practices of the time. He preached to jews.

Given there are two sides to Jesus historical, and legendary. It is hard to tell if in fact they did anything at all.
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Vazdaria
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Founded: Sep 02, 2014
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Postby Vazdaria » Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:27 pm

So what's up with linen tallits? Something about different tzitzits?
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Lleu llaw Gyffes
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Postby Lleu llaw Gyffes » Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:34 pm

Jesus didn't construct the Third Temple, didn't bring the Jews back to Israel and didn't bring an end to suffering - oh and the messiah will not have superpowers. At least Bill Goldberg has Jewish ancestry, was born to human parents and doesn't have any superpowers.

Jesus didn't construct the Third Temple,
He didn't need to. Herod built the Second Temple and it was still there.

didn't bring the Jews back to Israel

He didn't need to. Jews were already living in Israel.

End suffering and NOT have superpowers? OK, Jesus failed. Likewise, parthenogenesis means Jesus failed on blood-line of David.

Where does this NO superpowers rule come from?

Messiah builds the Next Temple. In real life, rebuilding the Temple would mean Har Megiddo. To rebuild the Temple is simple. To survive the backlash from Islamic terrorists needs superpowers.

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Benuty
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Postby Benuty » Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:41 pm

Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:
Jesus didn't construct the Third Temple, didn't bring the Jews back to Israel and didn't bring an end to suffering - oh and the messiah will not have superpowers. At least Bill Goldberg has Jewish ancestry, was born to human parents and doesn't have any superpowers.

Jesus didn't construct the Third Temple,
He didn't need to. Herod built the Second Temple and it was still there.

didn't bring the Jews back to Israel

He didn't need to. Jews were already living in Israel.

End suffering and NOT have superpowers? OK, Jesus failed. Likewise, parthenogenesis means Jesus failed on blood-line of David.

Where does this NO superpowers rule come from?

Messiah builds the Next Temple. In real life, rebuilding the Temple would mean Har Megiddo. To rebuild the Temple is simple. To survive the backlash from Islamic terrorists needs superpowers.

Not all of the Jews were in Israel, being the point.
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Lleu llaw Gyffes
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Postby Lleu llaw Gyffes » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:21 pm

Benuty wrote:
Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:Jesus didn't construct the Third Temple,
He didn't need to. Herod built the Second Temple and it was still there.

didn't bring the Jews back to Israel

He didn't need to. Jews were already living in Israel.

End suffering and NOT have superpowers? OK, Jesus failed. Likewise, parthenogenesis means Jesus failed on blood-line of David.

Where does this NO superpowers rule come from?

Messiah builds the Next Temple. In real life, rebuilding the Temple would mean Har Megiddo. To rebuild the Temple is simple. To survive the backlash from Islamic terrorists needs superpowers.

Not all of the Jews were in Israel, being the point.


These rules are getting silly.
Jews singing and rejoicing as they return unto Zion ain't good enough for you. You demand every single Jew in the Universe go to Israel. AND you demand Messiah have NO superpowers. That's not logical, Captain.

Upthread was the proposal that the NSG Beys Din should include Menassa, Ethel and Benuty. I recommend that Benuty should forfeit their seat on the Council.

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Benuty
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Founded: Jan 21, 2013
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Postby Benuty » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:03 pm

Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:
Benuty wrote:Not all of the Jews were in Israel, being the point.


These rules are getting silly.
Jews singing and rejoicing as they return unto Zion ain't good enough for you. You demand every single Jew in the Universe go to Israel. AND you demand Messiah have NO superpowers. That's not logical, Captain.

Upthread was the proposal that the NSG Beys Din should include Menassa, Ethel and Benuty. I recommend that Benuty should forfeit their seat on the Council.

I wasn't aware Earth had colonized other planets with technology sufficiently enough to terraform several galaxies?

On that note the secular Hebrew state doesn't count as a legitimate fulfillment for a very good reason.
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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:06 pm

Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:
Benuty wrote:Not all of the Jews were in Israel, being the point.


These rules are getting silly.
Jews singing and rejoicing as they return unto Zion ain't good enough for you. You demand every single Jew in the Universe go to Israel. AND you demand Messiah have NO superpowers. That's not logical, Captain.

Upthread was the proposal that the NSG Beys Din should include Menassa, Ethel and Benuty. I recommend that Benuty should forfeit their seat on the Council.

It's not about what Pat Robertson demands... it's not about what You demand.. it's not about what I demand it's not about what Benuty or Reppy or Max Barry demands... it's about what God demands.

If you wished to make light of the actual Messianic prophecies and declare them fulfilled when they are not that is your business but it will not stand to scrutiny. And I do mean this with all respects friend but it's not really up to you who is and who isn't on our 'Beis Din'
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Furry Alairia and Algeria
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:07 pm

Did I miss something in which a council was established :blink:
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Benuty
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Postby Benuty » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:09 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Did I miss something in which a council was established :blink:

It was a nudge of sorts from that odd noahide from the depths of Mormon Idaho (Vazdaria).
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:13 pm

By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat and wept as we remembered zion.

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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:13 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat and wept as we remembered zion.

If I forget thee o Jerusalem.
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"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
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Postby Benuty » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:18 pm

Menassa wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat and wept as we remembered zion.

If I forget thee o Jerusalem.

Let my right hand forget its skill.
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:21 pm

Benuty wrote:
Menassa wrote:If I forget thee o Jerusalem.

Let my right hand forget its skill.


:blink:
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Lleu llaw Gyffes
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Postby Lleu llaw Gyffes » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:21 pm

You never heard of Jews in Spaaaace???
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpaceJews

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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:27 pm

Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:You never heard of Jews in Spaaaace???
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpaceJews

Wrong place, you should have gone heRe

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAZhtT-dUyo

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:52 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:You never heard of Jews in Spaaaace???
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpaceJews

Wrong place, you should have gone heRe

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAZhtT-dUyo

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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Mon Jan 05, 2015 8:02 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:You never heard of Jews in Spaaaace???
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpaceJews

Wrong place, you should have gone heRe

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAZhtT-dUyo


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Vazdaria
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Postby Vazdaria » Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:24 pm

Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:
Jesus didn't construct the Third Temple, didn't bring the Jews back to Israel and didn't bring an end to suffering - oh and the messiah will not have superpowers. At least Bill Goldberg has Jewish ancestry, was born to human parents and doesn't have any superpowers.

Jesus didn't construct the Third Temple,
He didn't need to. Herod built the Second Temple and it was still there.

didn't bring the Jews back to Israel

He didn't need to. Jews were already living in Israel.

End suffering and NOT have superpowers? OK, Jesus failed. Likewise, parthenogenesis means Jesus failed on blood-line of David.

Where does this NO superpowers rule come from?

Messiah builds the Next Temple. In real life, rebuilding the Temple would mean Har Megiddo. To rebuild the Temple is simple. To survive the backlash from Islamic terrorists needs superpowers.

He didn't fulfill the messianic requirements

The tenple wasn't rebuilt and a substantial amount of jews were still living in Babylon at the time.
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Postby Vazdaria » Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:27 pm

Benuty wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Did I miss something in which a council was established :blink:

It was a nudge of sorts from that odd noahide from the depths of Mormon Idaho (Vazdaria).

:rofl:
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Postby The Conez Imperium » Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:42 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:You never heard of Jews in Spaaaace???
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpaceJews

Wrong place, you should have gone heRe

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAZhtT-dUyo


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Postby Perotasoa » Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:01 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Yes. I'm afraid I do. Please don't misunderstand me, this isn't out of some sort of disrespect for a particular religion(which I do not have). It isn't even about my general disrespect for organized religion(which I DO have). It's simply because I am a professional wacko incapable of taking anything seriously. But there is often a kernel of earnestness in my humor. In this example, I am honestly asking if there is a possibility that a religion that has had to adapt to serious changes in their status on more than one occasion(Enslavement by Egypt, Exodus, First Temple, Babylonian conquest, Second Temple, Roman Conquest, Crusades, Inquisition, World War 2, 2000 US Presidential Election, etc) could adapt once more. Construct a new Paradigm.

Historians strongly doubt the veracity of the bolded.
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Postby Vazdaria » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:38 pm

Vaz for the win!

I just found out the Trader Joes in Boise contains a medium size selection of Kosher meats and cheeses!

Aw yis!
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:41 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Wrong place, you should have gone heRe

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAZhtT-dUyo


Mel Brooks is one of my heroes.

He's nice.
Vazdaria wrote:Vaz for the win!

I just found out the Trader Joes in Boise contains a medium size selection of Kosher meats and cheeses!

Aw yis!

And in my store, there's a small collection of Kosher things. I can only get Kosher Salt. It's best salt.
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