Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ

[The Tribe of Judah]

Menassa is right, Ezekiel tells us that eternal dwelling place of the God of Israel on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

But how do you all feel about the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque? Both constructed on out holiest place as an insult to us, but now also have great religious and historical significance. Should a third temple be built around them or should they be demolished, or even relocated brick by brick?

Given Jordan owns that area its practically impossible to demolish them.

Besides the options will present themselves in time.

Of course, hypothetically though, were the land under Jewish control, what would you be in favour of?

[Ethel mermania]

I like boring, boring means no plagues, means mrs mermania doesn't crash the car, boring has the mortgage paid on time. Boring means no war. Give me boring every day.

When I'm bored, I tend to find creative(destructive) ways to entertain myself. My wife and friends learned long ago the perils of leaving me to entertain myself.

And these times, I would simply give you the children.

[Benuty]

Given Jordan owns that area its practically impossible to demolish them.

Besides the options will present themselves in time.

Of course, hypothetically though, were the land under Jewish control, what would you be in favour of?

If it were indeed under control of Judaism, and not the "state of Israel" then perhaps. Only if the prophecies had properly been fulfilled of-course.

[Ethel mermania]

Given Jordan owns that area its practically impossible to demolish them.

Besides the options will present themselves in time.

Of course, hypothetically though, were the land under Jewish control, what would you be in favour of?

The land is under is Israeli control, they annexed it after the 6 day war. That said I do not think an Israeli government would demolish the mosque.

[Benuty]

Of course, hypothetically though, were the land under Jewish control, what would you be in favour of?

The land is under is Israeli control, they annexed it after the 6 day war. That said I do not think an Israeli government would demolish the mosque.

Understandably so.

Since the Hebrew state has no real interest in doing so.

[Ethel mermania]

The land is under is Israeli control, they annexed it after the 6 day war. That said I do not think an Israeli government would demolish the mosque.

Understandably so.

Since the Hebrew state has no real interest in doing so.

It would piss off the world, but it's an interesting question. Does the Messiah rebuild the temple, or do we build it for the Messiah to come? Or is it not relevant at all?

[Lunatic Goofballs]

When I'm bored, I tend to find creative(destructive) ways to entertain myself. My wife and friends learned long ago the perils of leaving me to entertain myself.

And these times, I would simply give you the children.

That usually works. But from time to time, our mischievous urges combine into a Perfect Storm of Chaos.

...I suppose we ought to meander back toward the topic. I think this originally started with something about a desire for a new Temple. I'm not really sure I understand the benefit. You guys have spent a lot more time without one than with one.

[Benuty]

And these times, I would simply give you the children.

That usually works. But from time to time, our mischievous urges combine into a Perfect Storm of Chaos.

Which would be met with the antithesis of Order.

[Ethel mermania]

And these times, I would simply give you the children.

That usually works. But from time to time, our mischievous urges combine into a Perfect Storm of Chaos.

...I suppose we ought to meander back toward the topic. I think this originally started with something about a desire for a new Temple. I'm not really sure I understand the benefit. You guys have spent a lot more time without one than with one.

Agreed, but in theory we are suppose to have one. And for better or worse the Muslims have put a quite beautiful mosque on the place it's suppose to be.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

That usually works. But from time to time, our mischievous urges combine into a Perfect Storm of Chaos.

...I suppose we ought to meander back toward the topic. I think this originally started with something about a desire for a new Temple. I'm not really sure I understand the benefit. You guys have spent a lot more time without one than with one.

Agreed, but in theory we are suppose to have one, and for better or worse the Muslims have put a quite beautiful mosque one the place it's suppose to be.

It's been there like 1300 years. And there was a garbage dump there before that.

Maybe build it somewhere else. How about Miami?

[Lost heros]

Agreed, but in theory we are suppose to have one, and for better or worse the Muslims have put a quite beautiful mosque one the place it's suppose to be.

It's been there like 1300 years. And there was a garbage dump there before that.

Maybe build it somewhere else. How about Miami?

That would actually be hilarious.
Just imagine the messiah coming, and saying "Hey, sorry guys. Mistranslation. The temple's actually supposed to be where the Heat stadium is"

[Ethel mermania]

Agreed, but in theory we are suppose to have one, and for better or worse the Muslims have put a quite beautiful mosque one the place it's suppose to be.

It's been there like 1300 years. And there was a garbage dump there before that.

Maybe build it somewhere else. How about Miami?

Garbage dump is kinda harsh, it was the site of the first and second temple. It's a holy spot to the three Abrahamic religions. Look to me the promised land is a condo on hallendale beach, but most jews don't feel that way.

[Benuty]

Agreed, but in theory we are suppose to have one, and for better or worse the Muslims have put a quite beautiful mosque one the place it's suppose to be.

It's been there like 1300 years. And there was a garbage dump there before that.

Maybe build it somewhere else. How about Miami?

The Temple was not the spot where children were sacrificed.

You need to look for the Valley of Hinnom.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

It's been there like 1300 years. And there was a garbage dump there before that.

Maybe build it somewhere else. How about Miami?

Garbage dump is kinda harsh, it was the site of the first and second temple. It's a holy spot to the three Abrahamic religions. Look to me the promised land is a condo on hallendale beach, but most jews don't feel that way.

I wasn't trying to sound harsh. The land the Dome of the Rock was built on really was a garbage dump at that time. It had also been a church and a temple of Jupiter. It was a busy piece of real estate in the centuries between the fall of the Second Temple and the construction of the Dome of the Rock.

Jews are certainly entitled to feel how they want. But I personally don't believe in holy ground. I don't think God has a favorite parcel of real estate. But if there is a special place, it's almost cosmically impossible for it to still be on top of that mountain. Between tectonic shift, the motion of the planets, the Sun's path around the galaxy and the inflation of the Universe, the spot that was there a few thousand years ago is most certainly a very long way away by now.

[Ethel mermania]

Garbage dump is kinda harsh, it was the site of the first and second temple. It's a holy spot to the three Abrahamic religions. Look to me the promised land is a condo on hallendale beach, but most jews don't feel that way.

I wasn't trying to sound harsh. The land the Dome of the Rock was built on really was a garbage dump at that time. It had also been a church and a temple of Jupiter. It was a busy piece of real estate in the centuries between the fall of the Second Temple and the construction of the Dome of the Rock.

Jews are certainly entitled to feel how they want. But I personally don't believe in holy ground. I don't think God has a favorite parcel of real estate. But if there is a special place, it's almost cosmically impossible for it to still be on top of that mountain. Between tectonic shift, the motion of the planets, the Sun's path around the galaxy and the inflation of the Universe, the spot that was there a few thousand years ago is most certainly a very long way away by now.

1. All that is understood, busy piece of real estate is an understatement. It's still a holy spot to a lot of people who deep down really don't like each other.

2. What you or I feel about that spot, really doesnt matter. I am not sure space time is a concept that concerns the literally biIllion people who disagree with us about the importance of the temple mount.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

I wasn't trying to sound harsh. The land the Dome of the Rock was built on really was a garbage dump at that time. It had also been a church and a temple of Jupiter. It was a busy piece of real estate in the centuries between the fall of the Second Temple and the construction of the Dome of the Rock.

Jews are certainly entitled to feel how they want. But I personally don't believe in holy ground. I don't think God has a favorite parcel of real estate. But if there is a special place, it's almost cosmically impossible for it to still be on top of that mountain. Between tectonic shift, the motion of the planets, the Sun's path around the galaxy and the inflation of the Universe, the spot that was there a few thousand years ago is most certainly a very long way away by now.

1. All that is understood, busy piece of real estate is an understatement. It's still a holy spot to a lot of people who deep down really don't like each other.

2. What you or I feel about that spot, really doesnt matter. I am not sure space time is a concept that concerns the literally biIllion people who disagree with us about the importance of the temple mount.

Maybe we can turn their beliefs into a solution. For example; if that particular stretch of ground is holy, maybe we can scrape off an inch of topsoil, transport it elsewhere(Miami?) and work it into the soil there. Boom! New Holy ground!

Or even easier, just put a bit of it in a vial and let each of them wear one such vial around their neck. Now they can take their holy ground wherever they go.

[United Marxist Nations]

1. All that is understood, busy piece of real estate is an understatement. It's still a holy spot to a lot of people who deep down really don't like each other.

2. What you or I feel about that spot, really doesnt matter. I am not sure space time is a concept that concerns the literally biIllion people who disagree with us about the importance of the temple mount.

Maybe we can turn their beliefs into a solution. For example; if that particular stretch of ground is holy, maybe we can scrape off an inch of topsoil, transport it elsewhere(Miami?) and work it into the soil there. Boom! New Holy ground!

Or even easier, just put a bit of it in a vial and let each of them wear one such vial around their neck. Now they can take their holy ground wherever they go.

Not sure that would solve it; for many, it is less about rebuilding a temple, and more about having a place of mourning for those killed resisting the Romans.

[The Tribe of Judah]

1. All that is understood, busy piece of real estate is an understatement. It's still a holy spot to a lot of people who deep down really don't like each other.

2. What you or I feel about that spot, really doesnt matter. I am not sure space time is a concept that concerns the literally biIllion people who disagree with us about the importance of the temple mount.

Maybe we can turn their beliefs into a solution. For example; if that particular stretch of ground is holy, maybe we can scrape off an inch of topsoil, transport it elsewhere(Miami?) and work it into the soil there. Boom! New Holy ground!

Or even easier, just put a bit of it in a vial and let each of them wear one such vial around their neck. Now they can take their holy ground wherever they go.

Would be fantastic if you didn't come on a Jewish discussion thread and mock our beliefs.

People get it, you're not religious and the idea of Holy Land means nothing to you. I am so happy for you, but do you have to express it in a way that really just ridicules numerous religious beliefs on a thread devoted to Jewish discussion.

[Murkwood]

It's been there like 1300 years. And there was a garbage dump there before that.

Maybe build it somewhere else. How about Miami?

Garbage dump is kinda harsh, it was the site of the first and second temple. It's a holy spot to the three Abrahamic religions. Look to me the promised land is a condo on hallendale beach, but most jews don't feel that way.

I dunno, maybe that's why Jews always retire in Florida....
Imsosorry

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Maybe we can turn their beliefs into a solution. For example; if that particular stretch of ground is holy, maybe we can scrape off an inch of topsoil, transport it elsewhere(Miami?) and work it into the soil there. Boom! New Holy ground!

Or even easier, just put a bit of it in a vial and let each of them wear one such vial around their neck. Now they can take their holy ground wherever they go.

Would be fantastic if you didn't come on a Jewish discussion thread and mock our beliefs.

People get it, you're not religious and the idea of Holy Land means nothing to you. I am so happy for you, but do you have to express it in a way that really just ridicules numerous religious beliefs on a thread devoted to Jewish discussion.

Yes. I'm afraid I do. Please don't misunderstand me, this isn't out of some sort of disrespect for a particular religion(which I do not have). It isn't even about my general disrespect for organized religion(which I DO have). It's simply because I am a professional wacko incapable of taking anything seriously. But there is often a kernel of earnestness in my humor. In this example, I am honestly asking if there is a possibility that a religion that has had to adapt to serious changes in their status on more than one occasion(Enslavement by Egypt, Exodus, First Temple, Babylonian conquest, Second Temple, Roman Conquest, Crusades, Inquisition, World War 2, 2000 US Presidential Election, etc) could adapt once more. Construct a new Paradigm.

[The Tribe of Judah]

Would be fantastic if you didn't come on a Jewish discussion thread and mock our beliefs.

People get it, you're not religious and the idea of Holy Land means nothing to you. I am so happy for you, but do you have to express it in a way that really just ridicules numerous religious beliefs on a thread devoted to Jewish discussion.

Yes. I'm afraid I do. Please don't misunderstand me, this isn't out of some sort of disrespect for a particular religion(which I do not have). It isn't even about my general disrespect for organized religion(which I DO have). It's simply because I am a professional wacko incapable of taking anything seriously. But there is often a kernel of earnestness in my humor. In this example, I am honestly asking if there is a possibility that a religion that has had to adapt to serious changes in their status on more than one occasion(Enslavement by Egypt, Exodus, First Temple, Babylonian conquest, Second Temple, Roman Conquest, Crusades, Inquisition, World War 2, 2000 US Presidential Election, etc) could adapt once more. Construct a new Paradigm.

Uh-huh, well if you're actually wanting to ask Jewish people about that, perhaps re-think your strategy. Unless of course you are genuinely incapable of going about it in a way which isn't blatantly disrespectful? Of course your mental health is none of my concern, but does this apparently debilitating illness stop you from understanding that when it comes to topics of immense importance to billions of people worldwide, mockery and sarcasm won't be appreciated - regardless of whatever modicum of genuine political interest it contains.

One could write the nicest compliment in shit on your wall, doesn't mean it's still friendly or that being a 'wacko' is any excuse.

Also, just to point out, we didn't adapt to those things, we were persecuted and were killed in the millions, Jews didn't adapt to the Holocaust, we persevered and recovered. The question of the Third Temple and the Holy Land isn't something which can just be adapted, it's something central to our religion. The land is as holy to us as Mecca is to Muslims, the Temple Mount is the place where G-d chose the Divine Presence to rest.

It isn't a matter of adapting or compromising, the site and all Jerusalem has been the spiritual centre of the Jewish people since the 10th century BCE, before any of the other major religions existed. So no, we shan't be relocating anytime soon.

Edit: Quoted the wrong person, my bad.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Yes. I'm afraid I do. Please don't misunderstand me, this isn't out of some sort of disrespect for a particular religion(which I do not have). It isn't even about my general disrespect for organized religion(which I DO have). It's simply because I am a professional wacko incapable of taking anything seriously. But there is often a kernel of earnestness in my humor. In this example, I am honestly asking if there is a possibility that a religion that has had to adapt to serious changes in their status on more than one occasion(Enslavement by Egypt, Exodus, First Temple, Babylonian conquest, Second Temple, Roman Conquest, Crusades, Inquisition, World War 2, 2000 US Presidential Election, etc) could adapt once more. Construct a new Paradigm.

Uh-huh, well if you're actually wanting to ask Jewish people about that, perhaps re-think your strategy. Unless of course you are genuinely incapable of going about it in a way which isn't blatantly disrespectful? Of course your mental health is none of my concern, but does this apparently debilitating illness stop you from understanding that when it comes to topics of immense importance to billions of people worldwide, mockery and sarcasm won't be appreciated - regardless of whatever modicum of genuine political interest it contains.

One could write the nicest compliment in shit on your wall, doesn't mean it's still friendly or that being a 'wacko' is any excuse.

Also, just to point out, we didn't adapt to those things, we were persecuted and were killed in the millions, Jews didn't adapt to the Holocaust, we persevered and recovered. The question of the Third Temple and the Holy Land isn't something which can just be adapted, it's something central to our religion. The land is as holy to us as Mecca is to Muslims, the Temple Mount is the place where G-d chose the Divine Presence to rest.

It isn't a matter of adapting or compromising, the site and all Jerusalem has been the spiritual centre of the Jewish people since the 10th century BCE, before any of the other major religions existed. So no, we shan't be relocating anytime soon.

Edit: Quoted the wrong person, my bad.

I'm beginning to suspect that you are resistant to the new Paradigm.

[Ethel mermania]

Would be fantastic if you didn't come on a Jewish discussion thread and mock our beliefs.

People get it, you're not religious and the idea of Holy Land means nothing to you. I am so happy for you, but do you have to express it in a way that really just ridicules numerous religious beliefs on a thread devoted to Jewish discussion.

Yes. I'm afraid I do. Please don't misunderstand me, this isn't out of some sort of disrespect for a particular religion(which I do not have). It isn't even about my general disrespect for organized religion(which I DO have). It's simply because I am a professional wacko incapable of taking anything seriously. But there is often a kernel of earnestness in my humor. In this example, I am honestly asking if there is a possibility that a religion that has had to adapt to serious changes in their status on more than one occasion(Enslavement by Egypt, Exodus, First Temple, Babylonian conquest, Second Temple, Roman Conquest, Crusades, Inquisition, World War 2, 2000 US Presidential Election, etc) could adapt once more. Construct a new Paradigm.

Promised land is God's part of the bargin, so the land of Isreal is a focus of the religion. All those events if anything demonstrate the necessity of a safe homeland for the jews. And unfortunately trading Georgia and atlanta, for Isreal and jerusalam just isn't going to work for us.

[The Tribe of Judah]

Uh-huh, well if you're actually wanting to ask Jewish people about that, perhaps re-think your strategy. Unless of course you are genuinely incapable of going about it in a way which isn't blatantly disrespectful? Of course your mental health is none of my concern, but does this apparently debilitating illness stop you from understanding that when it comes to topics of immense importance to billions of people worldwide, mockery and sarcasm won't be appreciated - regardless of whatever modicum of genuine political interest it contains.

One could write the nicest compliment in shit on your wall, doesn't mean it's still friendly or that being a 'wacko' is any excuse.

Also, just to point out, we didn't adapt to those things, we were persecuted and were killed in the millions, Jews didn't adapt to the Holocaust, we persevered and recovered. The question of the Third Temple and the Holy Land isn't something which can just be adapted, it's something central to our religion. The land is as holy to us as Mecca is to Muslims, the Temple Mount is the place where G-d chose the Divine Presence to rest.

It isn't a matter of adapting or compromising, the site and all Jerusalem has been the spiritual centre of the Jewish people since the 10th century BCE, before any of the other major religions existed. So no, we shan't be relocating anytime soon.

Edit: Quoted the wrong person, my bad.

I'm beginning to suspect that you are resistant to the new Paradigm.

Eugh.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Yes. I'm afraid I do. Please don't misunderstand me, this isn't out of some sort of disrespect for a particular religion(which I do not have). It isn't even about my general disrespect for organized religion(which I DO have). It's simply because I am a professional wacko incapable of taking anything seriously. But there is often a kernel of earnestness in my humor. In this example, I am honestly asking if there is a possibility that a religion that has had to adapt to serious changes in their status on more than one occasion(Enslavement by Egypt, Exodus, First Temple, Babylonian conquest, Second Temple, Roman Conquest, Crusades, Inquisition, World War 2, 2000 US Presidential Election, etc) could adapt once more. Construct a new Paradigm.

Promised land is God's part of the bargin, so the land of Isreal is a focus of the religion. All those events if anything demonstrate the necessity of a safe homeland for the jews. And unfortunately trading Georgia and atlanta, for Isreal and jerusalam just isn't going to work for us.

I hear Oregon is nice.