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What Type of Jew are You?

Orthodox
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8%
Modern Orthodox
5
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Conservative
40
15%
Reform
49
18%
Irreligious
104
38%
Other
38
14%
Karaite
9
3%
Reconstructionist
5
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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:56 pm

Murkwood wrote:So, I have a question: What is the Jewish position on rebuilding the Temple? Is that something Jews still want?

Look to Ezekiel, it is everyday that we pray for the Temple to be restored.
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Postby New Werpland » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:00 pm

Murkwood wrote:So, I have a question: What is the Jewish position on rebuilding the Temple? Is that something Jews still want?

I think Jews (especially Israelis) have enough taste to know that would be horrible.
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Benuty
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Postby Benuty » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:03 pm

New Werpland wrote:
Murkwood wrote:So, I have a question: What is the Jewish position on rebuilding the Temple? Is that something Jews still want?

I think Jews (especially Israelis) have enough taste to know that would be horrible.

As if the Hebrew "Israelis" are actually Jews.

A secular state with pseudo-religious trappings is irrelevant to Judaism.
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:07 pm

Benuty wrote:
New Werpland wrote:I think Jews (especially Israelis) have enough taste to know that would be horrible.

As if the Hebrew "Israelis" are actually Jews.

A secular state with pseudo-religious trappings is irrelevant to Judaism.

we do not all agree

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Benuty
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Postby Benuty » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:08 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Benuty wrote:As if the Hebrew "Israelis" are actually Jews.

A secular state with pseudo-religious trappings is irrelevant to Judaism.

we do not all agree

That should be obvious especially given you are a Karaite IIRC :P.
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Postby Menassa » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:44 pm

New Werpland wrote:
Murkwood wrote:So, I have a question: What is the Jewish position on rebuilding the Temple? Is that something Jews still want?

I think Jews (especially Israelis) have enough taste to know that would be horrible.

A time of eternal peace would be horrible?
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:48 pm

Menassa wrote:
New Werpland wrote:I think Jews (especially Israelis) have enough taste to know that would be horrible.

A time of eternal peace would be horrible?


SOunds boring.
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Postby Menassa » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:48 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Menassa wrote:A time of eternal peace would be horrible?


SOunds boring.

Ah... but not horrible.
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:50 pm

Menassa wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
SOunds boring.

Ah... but not horrible.


Boring can be horrible.
Life's Short. Munch Tacos.

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Benuty
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Postby Benuty » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:56 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Menassa wrote:Ah... but not horrible.


Boring can be horrible.

It is neither boring or horrible.

Your absolutes are mythically irrelevant.
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:58 am

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Menassa wrote:Ah... but not horrible.


Boring can be horrible.

I like boring, boring means no plagues, means mrs mermania doesn't crash the car, boring has the mortgage paid on time. Boring means no war. Give me boring every day.

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Murkwood
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Postby Murkwood » Sun Jan 04, 2015 7:42 am

Menassa wrote:
Murkwood wrote:So, I have a question: What is the Jewish position on rebuilding the Temple? Is that something Jews still want?

Look to Ezekiel, it is everyday that we pray for the Temple to be restored.

"Restored" by Yahweh/Adonai (I keep forgetting the proper term), or "rebuilt" by man?
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Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

Catholicism has the fullness of the splendor of truth: The Bible and the Church Fathers agree!


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Conscentia
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Postby Conscentia » Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:12 am

New Werpland wrote:
Murkwood wrote:So, I have a question: What is the Jewish position on rebuilding the Temple? Is that something Jews still want?

I think Jews (especially Israelis) have enough taste to know that would be horrible.

To the (religious) Jews, the restoration of the temple would mean the restoration of the Kingdom of Israel under Davidic line by the actual Messiah (the heir to the throne) and the coming a utopian age.
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Postby Vazdaria » Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:14 am

Murkwood wrote:
Menassa wrote:Look to Ezekiel, it is everyday that we pray for the Temple to be restored.

"Restored" by Yahweh/Adonai (I keep forgetting the proper term), or "rebuilt" by man?

Perhaps a little of both! :D
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:14 am

Conscentia wrote:
New Werpland wrote:I think Jews (especially Israelis) have enough taste to know that would be horrible.

To the (religious) Jews, the restoration of the temple would mean the restoration of the Kingdom of Israel under Davidic line by the actual Messiah (the heir to the throne) and the coming a utopian age.

The question that was asked, is do we sit and wait for the Messiah, or attempt to set the preconditions (like rebuild the temple) for the Messiah to come?
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Postby Conscentia » Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:19 am

Murkwood wrote:
Menassa wrote:Look to Ezekiel, it is everyday that we pray for the Temple to be restored.

"Restored" by Yahweh/Adonai (I keep forgetting the proper term), or "rebuilt" by man?

The Jews avoid vocalising their god's actual name given by the tetragrammaton (יְהֹוָה -> YHWH -> Yahweh), instead reading it as Adonai (translated to Lord), and referring to it as HaShem ("the name").

Given that the last two temples were built by men, seems likely the third will be built be men. And like the last two, it'll be named for the reigning monarch who ordered it's reconstruction. (Solomon's Temple, Herod's Temple, [Whoever the Messiah is]'s Temple). At least, that's how I understand it. (But I'm not Jewish.)
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Postby Murkwood » Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:21 am

Conscentia wrote:
Murkwood wrote:"Restored" by Yahweh/Adonai (I keep forgetting the proper term), or "rebuilt" by man?

The Jews avoid vocalising their god's actual name given by the tetragrammaton (יְהֹוָה -> YHWH -> Yahweh), instead reading it as Adonai (translated to Lord), and referring to it as HaShem ("the name").

Ah, TIL.
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Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

Catholicism has the fullness of the splendor of truth: The Bible and the Church Fathers agree!

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Postby Conscentia » Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:27 am

Murkwood wrote:
Conscentia wrote:The Jews avoid vocalising their god's actual name given by the tetragrammaton (יְהֹוָה -> YHWH -> Yahweh), instead reading it as Adonai (translated to Lord), and referring to it as HaShem ("the name").

Ah, TIL.

What?

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Postby Murkwood » Sun Jan 04, 2015 9:18 am

Conscentia wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Ah, TIL.

What?

Today I Learned. It's a Reddit thing.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

Catholicism has the fullness of the splendor of truth: The Bible and the Church Fathers agree!

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Postby Benuty » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:12 am

Conscentia wrote:
Murkwood wrote:"Restored" by Yahweh/Adonai (I keep forgetting the proper term), or "rebuilt" by man?

The Jews avoid vocalising their god's actual name given by the tetragrammaton (יְהֹוָה -> YHWH -> Yahweh), instead reading it as Adonai (translated to Lord), and referring to it as HaShem ("the name").

Given that the last two temples were built by men, seems likely the third will be built be men. And like the last two, it'll be named for the reigning monarch who ordered it's reconstruction. (Solomon's Temple, Herod's Temple, [Whoever the Messiah is]'s Temple). At least, that's how I understand it. (But I'm not Jewish.)

Oh please we all know you are a closet Jew :P.
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Postby The Tribe of Judah » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:30 pm

Menassa wrote:
Murkwood wrote:So, I have a question: What is the Jewish position on rebuilding the Temple? Is that something Jews still want?

Look to Ezekiel, it is everyday that we pray for the Temple to be restored.

Menassa is right, Ezekiel tells us that eternal dwelling place of the God of Israel on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

But how do you all feel about the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque? Both constructed on out holiest place as an insult to us, but now also have great religious and historical significance. Should a third temple be built around them or should they be demolished, or even relocated brick by brick?
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Postby HaMakom » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:34 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Murkwood wrote:"Restored" by Yahweh/Adonai (I keep forgetting the proper term), or "rebuilt" by man?

The Jews avoid vocalising their god's actual name given by the tetragrammaton (יְהֹוָה -> YHWH -> Yahweh), instead reading it as Adonai (translated to Lord), and referring to it as HaShem ("the name").


Or HaMakom (The Place) ;) Because whenever G-d is referred to in physical terms it is meant as a metaphor. It is axiomatic that G-d is not physical and has no physical properties. We, however, are physical and can better understand things from a physical frame of reference. Hence the use of the physical as a helpful metaphor for the understanding of a quality of G-d.
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:38 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Boring can be horrible.

I like boring, boring means no plagues, means mrs mermania doesn't crash the car, boring has the mortgage paid on time. Boring means no war. Give me boring every day.


When I'm bored, I tend to find creative(destructive) ways to entertain myself. My wife and friends learned long ago the perils of leaving me to entertain myself. :)
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Postby Benuty » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:41 pm

The Tribe of Judah wrote:
Menassa wrote:Look to Ezekiel, it is everyday that we pray for the Temple to be restored.

Menassa is right, Ezekiel tells us that eternal dwelling place of the God of Israel on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

But how do you all feel about the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque? Both constructed on out holiest place as an insult to us, but now also have great religious and historical significance. Should a third temple be built around them or should they be demolished, or even relocated brick by brick?

Given Jordan owns that area its practically impossible to demolish them.

Besides the options will present themselves in time.
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