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[Ethel mermania]

Well of course if one doesn't practice the Jewish culture and doesn't identify as such, then they aren't jewish. The best that can be said is they're caucasian/west eurasian, and even that isn't really important. Ones culture matters more than their genes

This is your opinion. science deals with facts

This is a Jewish discussion thread, to discuss aspects of our religion. Do you have any thing to add to the conversation or are you just going to continue to troll?

[Rojava Free State]

Well of course if one doesn't practice the Jewish culture and doesn't identify as such, then they aren't jewish. The best that can be said is they're caucasian/west eurasian, and even that isn't really important. Ones culture matters more than their genes

This is your opinion. science deals with facts

Scientifically speaking, there isn't really any specific gene that makes one a jew. Rather, it's whether you practice the culture or not that really matters. I'm 2% Irish on my mom's side of the family but since I don't go to the pub, listen to Irish music besides thin lizzy and don't identify as such, I'm not irish.

My father is almost completely Arabic in descent and yet his family has been in puerto rico since the late 1800s, so while I'm genetically around half Middle Eastern, I don't identify as an arab. I grew up a latino. I can identify with Arabs somewhat and know a lot about their culture but I don't think of myself as an arab. If you're 0.2% Jewish but were raised a Turk, you're a turk. It's as simple as that

[Ethel mermania]

This is your opinion. science deals with facts

Scientifically speaking, there isn't really any specific gene that makes one a jew. Rather, it's whether you practice the culture or not that really matters. I'm 2% Irish on my mom's side of the family but since I don't go to the pub, listen to Irish music besides thin lizzy and don't identify as such, I'm not irish.

My father is almost completely Arabic in descent and yet his family has been in puerto rico since the late 1800s, so while I'm genetically around half Middle Eastern, I don't identify as an arab. I grew up a latino. I can identify with Arabs somewhat and know a lot about their culture but I don't think of myself as an arab. If you're 0.2% Jewish but were raised a Turk, you're a turk. It's as simple as that

About that....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1336798/

We jews are weird in a way, we are a tribe but it's an open one. If you want to join as a full blown member, learn the lingo so to speak, and your in. Cant be a high priest for a few generations so no ark wrangling for you, but that's it.

One thing I have always found in these. 1/4 1/8 jew conversations, it is never a jew making it.

I had family in Puerto Rico, there were a couple synagogues as I remember

[Rojava Free State]

Scientifically speaking, there isn't really any specific gene that makes one a jew. Rather, it's whether you practice the culture or not that really matters. I'm 2% Irish on my mom's side of the family but since I don't go to the pub, listen to Irish music besides thin lizzy and don't identify as such, I'm not irish.

My father is almost completely Arabic in descent and yet his family has been in puerto rico since the late 1800s, so while I'm genetically around half Middle Eastern, I don't identify as an arab. I grew up a latino. I can identify with Arabs somewhat and know a lot about their culture but I don't think of myself as an arab. If you're 0.2% Jewish but were raised a Turk, you're a turk. It's as simple as that

About that....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1336798/

We jews are weird in a way, we are a tribe but it's an open one. If you want to join as a full blown member, learn the lingo so to speak, and your in. Cant be a high priest for a few generations so no ark wrangling for you, but that's it.

One thing I have always found in these. 1/4 1/8 jew conversations, it is never a jew making it.

I had family in Puerto Rico, there were a couple synagogues as I remember

I mean it's kinda like being latino. There are people from Argentina who are clearly Swedish or Irish in heritage but they're still latino because they speak Spanish and are from a Latin nation. What I mean is just being part Jewish doesn't make one jewish. If you don't practice the culture or religion and don't come from a background that did, you aren't really a jew

[Ethel mermania]

About that....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1336798/

We jews are weird in a way, we are a tribe but it's an open one. If you want to join as a full blown member, learn the lingo so to speak, and your in. Cant be a high priest for a few generations so no ark wrangling for you, but that's it.

One thing I have always found in these. 1/4 1/8 jew conversations, it is never a jew making it.

I had family in Puerto Rico, there were a couple synagogues as I remember

I mean it's kinda like being latino. There are people from Argentina who are clearly Swedish or Irish in heritage but they're still latino because they speak Spanish and are from a Latin nation. What I mean is just being part Jewish doesn't make one jewish. If you don't practice the culture or religion and don't come from a background that did, you aren't really a jew

Oh, I think you made a good point.

Orthodox will say as long as there is direct matrilineal descent, the child is jewish, but I agree with you, there should have to be some nominal practice

[The Blaatschapen]

I mean it's kinda like being latino. There are people from Argentina who are clearly Swedish or Irish in heritage but they're still latino because they speak Spanish and are from a Latin nation. What I mean is just being part Jewish doesn't make one jewish. If you don't practice the culture or religion and don't come from a background that did, you aren't really a jew

Oh, I think you made a good point.

Orthodox will say as long as there is direct matrilineal descent, the child is jewish, but I agree with you, there should have to be some nominal practice

So, what is your nominal practice? If I may ask?

Well, besides eating Chinese with Christmas

[Prydania]

What I mean is just being part Jewish doesn't make one jewish.

That's fair.
With that being said? If someone is part Jewish but isn't a Jew themselves then there's no harm in them being proud of that ancestry.

[Ethel mermania]

Oh, I think you made a good point.

Orthodox will say as long as there is direct matrilineal descent, the child is jewish, but I agree with you, there should have to be some nominal practice

So, what is your nominal practice? If I may ask?

Well, besides eating Chinese with Christmas

It was delicious, and mostly jews that night. The owner said his second busiest day of the year.

Too give you a serious answer along with matrilineal decent simply be jewish. believe yourself to be a jew. Even without going to temple, or keeping kosher, think of yourself as a jew.

[Rojava Free State]

What I mean is just being part Jewish doesn't make one jewish.

That's fair.
With that being said? If someone is part Jewish but isn't a Jew themselves then there's no harm in them being proud of that ancestry.

No, but it's kinda, idk, weird when someone brings it up after bringing up an alleged "problem" in the Jewish community regarding the tense and controversial topic of Israel and palestine.

[Prydania]

That's fair.
With that being said? If someone is part Jewish but isn't a Jew themselves then there's no harm in them being proud of that ancestry.

No, but it's kinda, idk, weird when someone brings it up after bringing up an alleged "problem" in the Jewish community regarding the tense and controversial topic of Israel and palestine.

Fair.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

This is your opinion. science deals with facts

Scientifically speaking, there isn't really any specific gene that makes one a jew. Rather, it's whether you practice the culture or not that really matters. I'm 2% Irish on my mom's side of the family but since I don't go to the pub, listen to Irish music besides thin lizzy and don't identify as such, I'm not irish.

My father is almost completely Arabic in descent and yet his family has been in puerto rico since the late 1800s, so while I'm genetically around half Middle Eastern, I don't identify as an arab. I grew up a latino. I can identify with Arabs somewhat and know a lot about their culture but I don't think of myself as an arab. If you're 0.2% Jewish but were raised a Turk, you're a turk. It's as simple as that

You are culturally right but I am genetically 0.2% Ashkenazi Jew. do you understand me

What I mean is just being part Jewish doesn't make one jewish.

That's fair.
With that being said? If someone is part Jewish but isn't a Jew themselves then there's no harm in them being proud of that ancestry.

Absolutely I agree.I'm just proud of being Turkish but I like to know my genetics

[The Blaatschapen]

So, what is your nominal practice? If I may ask?

Well, besides eating Chinese with Christmas

It was delicious, and mostly jews that night. The owner said his second busiest day of the year.

Too give you a serious answer along with matrilineal decent simply be jewish. believe yourself to be a jew. Even without going to temple, or keeping kosher, think of yourself as a jew.

Ah, thank you.

[Fahran]

Well of course if one doesn't practice the Jewish culture and doesn't identify as such, then they aren't jewish. The best that can be said is they're caucasian/west eurasian, and even that isn't really important. Ones culture matters more than their genes

They might still be considered Jewish by Halakha.

[The Blaatschapen]

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.pr ... -1.8439615

Well, it seems that Israel has an opinion on this too.

[Rojava Free State]

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israeli-high-court-allows-dna-testing-to-prove-judaism-1.8439615

Well, it seems that Israel has an opinion on this too.

When it comes to being jewish, Israel has always considered it an ethnic/racial thing more than a religion. I'm not surprised this ruling was handed out

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israeli-high-court-allows-dna-testing-to-prove-judaism-1.8439615

Well, it seems that Israel has an opinion on this too.

When it comes to being jewish, Israel has always considered it an ethnic/racial thing more than a religion. I'm not surprised this ruling was handed out

What does it say to the Torah ? Could someone later become a Jew (Religion) ?

[Ethel mermania]

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israeli-high-court-allows-dna-testing-to-prove-judaism-1.8439615

Well, it seems that Israel has an opinion on this too.

Mitochondrial DNA only goes through the females. So it is halachaly sound

The chief rabbinate is weird.

[Ethel mermania]

When it comes to being jewish, Israel has always considered it an ethnic/racial thing more than a religion. I'm not surprised this ruling was handed out

What does it say to the Torah ? Could someone later become a Jew (Religion) ?

Yes, if you convert you are considered full jew.

[The Blaatschapen]

What does it say to the Torah ? Could someone later become a Jew (Religion) ?

Yes, if you convert you are considered full jew.

Do I need to get circumcision performed to convert?

[Ethel mermania]

Yes, if you convert you are considered full jew.

Do I need to get circumcision performed to convert?

I dont think the reform do anymore. The orthodox and conservatives, yes.

Women get to take a bath.

[Fahran]

When it comes to being jewish, Israel has always considered it an ethnic/racial thing more than a religion. I'm not surprised this ruling was handed out

The ruling adheres to both religious and ethnic definitions of Jewishness arguably. Jewishness is never racial.

[Rojava Free State]

When it comes to being jewish, Israel has always considered it an ethnic/racial thing more than a religion. I'm not surprised this ruling was handed out

The ruling adheres to both religious and ethnic definitions of Jewishness arguably. Jewishness is never racial.

Genetic testing sounds kinda racial. Idk it's clearly more than a religion thing. Racial is an iffy definition but you can understand what I meant. Clearly Israel doesn't view Judaism as simply a religion one follows. Jews are instead viewed as a people, like the Albanians or the Irish or the Persians or the Uyghurs. A common genetic grouping different from other people. So for example, you aren't a French person who is jewish, but instead you're a Jew who speaks French

[Fahran]

Genetic testing sounds kinda racial. Idk it's clearly more than a religion thing.

Halakha is a religious law code that has come to influence Jewish ethnic identity to a significant extent. It's not racial because Jewishness doesn't invariably translate to light skin or which ever physical trait you care to name. Presumably, the people who would request a genetic test to confirm matrilinial descent would feel some connection to Israel or the broader Jewish community as well.

Racial is an iffy definition but you can understand what I meant. Clearly Israel doesn't view Judaism as simply a religion one follows. Jews are instead viewed as a people, like the Albanians or the Irish or the Persians or the Uyghurs.

Yes, it's an ethnoreligious category. You can have Jews of different races in much the same way as you can have Persians or Arabs of different races because of how broad and diverse we are as a group. These aren't racial groups though if you hate any of them on ethnic grounds it would be racist.

A common genetic grouping different from other people. So for example, you aren't a French person who is jewish, but instead you're a Jew who speaks French

I wouldn't presume to decide someone else's identity in that way. I identify as a Jewish American personally rather than an American Jew or a Jew living in America.

[Rojava Free State]

Genetic testing sounds kinda racial. Idk it's clearly more than a religion thing.

Halakha is a religious law code that has come to influence Jewish ethnic identity to a significant extent. It's not racial because Jewishness doesn't invariably translate to light skin or which ever physical trait you care to name. Presumably, the people who would request a genetic test to confirm matrilinial descent would feel some connection to Israel or the broader Jewish community as well.

Racial is an iffy definition but you can understand what I meant. Clearly Israel doesn't view Judaism as simply a religion one follows. Jews are instead viewed as a people, like the Albanians or the Irish or the Persians or the Uyghurs.

Yes, it's an ethnoreligious category. You can have Jews of different races in much the same way as you can have Persians or Arabs of different races because of how broad and diverse we are as a group. These aren't racial groups though if you hate any of them on ethnic grounds it would be racist.

A common genetic grouping different from other people. So for example, you aren't a French person who is jewish, but instead you're a Jew who speaks French

I wouldn't presume to decide someone else's identity in that way. I identify as a Jewish American personally rather than an American Jew or a Jew living in America.

Here's the thing, if being jewish is a genetic thing and even atheist Jews can be considered Jews nonetheless, doesn't that cause an issue regarding the palestinians? Because genetic tests have revealed that the palestinians are mostly descended from the indigenous people of Israel and are extremely genetically close to jews. They're probably genetically closer to jews than ulster protestants and Catholics are to each other. So what is your take on that assuming genes can make one a jew?

[Fahran]

Here's the thing, if being jewish is a genetic thing and even atheist Jews can be considered Jews nonetheless, doesn't that cause an issue regarding the palestinians? Because genetic tests have revealed that the palestinians are mostly descended from the indigenous people of Israel and are extremely genetically close to jews. They're probably genetically closer to jews than ulster protestants and Catholics are to each other. So what is your take on that assuming genes can make one a jew?

Functionally, these genetic tests have seldom or never been requested on a cynical basis. As far as I can tell, they're employed to bring back Jewish communities from the Diaspora that might not be perceived as Jewish by stricter measurements or the descendants of those communities. That would include groups like the Yisrael Bet and certain Jewish Indian populations. If Palestinians began identifying as Jewish, became atheists or began reading Torah, and sought to make aliyah, they'd pretty much check all the boxes. They won't do that, however, because it would mean forsaking Palestinian identity and, for the religious types, their genuine religious beliefs.