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[Rojava Free State]

Thoughts on Lilith?

(apparently she was retconned out of the christian Bible... because reasons)

The progenitor of our race

What's that? I've also exceeded the number of Evangelion references I can make this year? Shit

[Rojava Free State]

Has anyone noticed that Ashkenazic Jews look indistinguishable from Eastern and Central Europeans but Sephardim still look a lot like what the ancient Jews probably looked like? How mixed are the ashkenazim with the peoples of the countries their ancestors came from I wonder?

[Prydania]

Has anyone noticed that Ashkenazic Jews look indistinguishable from Eastern and Central Europeans but Sephardim still look a lot like what the ancient Jews probably looked like? How mixed are the ashkenazim with the peoples of the countries their ancestors came from I wonder?

It's almost like Ashkenazi Jews...mixed with Eastern and Central European populations. Shocker, I know.

Anyway it depends. My father's paternal side looked pretty European. My paternal grandfather was fair haired and blue eyed despite being from a Polish Jewish family. Meanwhile my paternal grandmother and her family, despite coming from Ukraine, could pass for Middle Easterners.

Another example. My dad's sister married a Sephardic Jewish man, my uncle by marriage. They had three kids, my cousins. Two of them look pretty European/Ashkenazi while the other is very Middle Eastern looking.

Broadly speaking, it just depends. You never know what genes will resurface over the generations.

Forgot to share this a few days ago, but a Cambodian princess had her bat mitzvah.

https://www.aish.com/jw/s/Cambodian-Pri ... tzvah.html

That's cool!

How much do you believe the events in the Torah literally happened and were not figurative or mythical?

I mean personally? I think it's mixed. I think the Tanakh is made up of multiple books of multiple authors, and so it gets dicy saying "they're all literal" or "they're all allegory" because different authors means different sources.

I think that some stories in the Tanakh are the result of historical telephone, people recording what they viewed as authentic historical events a generation or two removed. Recording oral history and the like.
I think that some of the stories are allegorical. They didn't happen as described, or even happened at all, but the point is to impart a lesson through them.
The religious side of me believes that some of the stories are as close to true as possible, given that they describe miraculous occurrences far beyond the comprehension of our ancestors.

So I don't think everything in the Tanakh is the 100% truth as written down, but I also don't think that's the intent? I don't know. There's a whole tradition of scholarly Jewish debate about this stuff that I am ill-prepared to step into at the present. So I'll just leave it at that.

Thoughts on Lilith?

(apparently she was retconned out of the christian Bible... because reasons)

She's really not in the Hebrew Bible either.

My personal opinion? She's a holdover from Babylonian mythology that got synchronized with Jewish mythology during the Babylonian captivity, without appearing in Hebrew Bible in any significant way.
Then centuries later scholars wrote about her and how some considered her Adam's first wife. And these scholars, coming from a very patriarchal society at a very patriarchal time tried to use her as a cautionary tale. Sort of "you wives better fall in line because look at what happened to Adam's first wife when she acted up."

Then centuries after that, with the Feminist movement in full swing, she becomes this symbol of defiance against rigid patriarchy found in Abrahamic religion.

[Ethel mermania]

I dunno creation sort of works if you take the notion that a day to god and a day to a human is not the same thing.

This would make for a great detail in an HP Lovecraft novel

What's that? I've exceeded my reference limit to lovecraft already for 2020? Ight, guess I can't mention him again till 2021

FWIW. There was a 8% increase in the yearly allocation of lovecraft references, so may have a few more left.

[Fahran]

Has anyone noticed that Ashkenazic Jews look indistinguishable from Eastern and Central Europeans but Sephardim still look a lot like what the ancient Jews probably looked like? How mixed are the ashkenazim with the peoples of the countries their ancestors came from I wonder?

The Ashkenazim and Sephardim have similar ethnic origins though admixture is hypothesized to have occurred in most Jewish communities to some degree despite two-way prohibitions against intermarriage. I think the extent to which Sephardim look "brown" or "Arab" is often over-exaggerated principally to discredit the Ashkenazi claim to Jewishness but some of that might be explicable when we look at the physical traits of neighboring communities where each segment of the diaspora was settled. My mother and I are pretty much indistinguishable from light-skinned Mexicans or light-skinned/tanned Americans with darker features. Importantly, Jewishness is not based on appearances or race. It's based on Halakha, religion, and culture.

[Rojava Free State]

Has anyone noticed that Ashkenazic Jews look indistinguishable from Eastern and Central Europeans but Sephardim still look a lot like what the ancient Jews probably looked like? How mixed are the ashkenazim with the peoples of the countries their ancestors came from I wonder?

The Ashkenazim and Sephardim have similar ethnic origins though admixture is hypothesized to have occurred in most Jewish communities to some degree despite two-way prohibitions against intermarriage. I think the extent to which Sephardim look "brown" or "Arab" is often over-exaggerated principally to discredit the Ashkenazi claim to Jewishness but some of that might be explicable when we look at the physical traits of neighboring communities where each segment of the diaspora was settled. My mother and I are pretty much indistinguishable from light-skinned Mexicans or light-skinned/tanned Americans with darker features. Importantly, Jewishness is not based on appearances or race. It's based on Halakha, religion, and culture.

Most Israeli Jews are sephardi and mizrahi and when I was there they all looked pretty middle east eastern. Then again what's the difference in appearance between a light skinned Mexican and a middle easterner? Since Mediterranean communities in general are very similar in appearence, it's hard to tell how much admixture sephardi Jews have just based on phenotype

I do know that Sasha Baron Cohen is technically Ashkenazi and he (in my opinion) looks very Libyan or Tunisian in appearance so there are some Ashkenazi Jews who look like what the ancestors of all Jews probably looked like

[Stiltball]

i suppose this'll give you another topic for your thread

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/ ... ampaign=di

[Ethel mermania]

i suppose this'll give you another topic for your thread

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/ ... ampaign=di

Nah, the geopolitics of Israel and the arabs dont belong in this thread. There use to be a mega thread for your stuff

[Fahran]

i suppose this'll give you another topic for your thread

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/ ... ampaign=di

Nah, the geopolitics of Israel and the arabs dont belong in this thread. There use to be a mega thread for your stuff

Is the ME Discussion Thread extant?

[Ethel mermania]

Nah, the geopolitics of Israel and the arabs dont belong in this thread. There use to be a mega thread for your stuff

Is the ME Discussion Thread extant?

Practically speaking yes. I dont know if the mods will object to it being revived.

[Farnhamia]

Is the ME Discussion Thread extant?

Practically speaking yes. I dont know if the mods will object to it being revived.

When was the last post there?

[Ethel mermania]

Practically speaking yes. I dont know if the mods will object to it being revived.

When was the last post there?

Dunno, I very deliberately stayed out of it.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

How do you think the Jerusalem Status should be ?
Israel and Palestine must be the guarantor of the Jerusalem State to be established

[Ethel mermania]

How do you think the Jerusalem Status should be ?
Israel and Palestine must be the guarantor of the Jerusalem State to be established

(Image)

Doesnt really belong in this thread.

[Farnhamia]

How do you think the Jerusalem Status should be ?
Israel and Palestine must be the guarantor of the Jerusalem State to be established

(Image)

Doesnt really belong in this thread.

Correct, it does not. This is a religious discussion thread.

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum, go find the old Mid-East politics thread and revive it. I give you permission, if it's past the four-weeks limit.

[Prydania]

I will say that the Republic of Jerusalem flag looked nice

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Doesnt really belong in this thread.

Correct, it does not. This is a religious discussion thread.

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum, go find the old Mid-East politics thread and revive it. I give you permission, if it's past the four-weeks limit.

How do you think the Jerusalem Status should be ?
Israel and Palestine must be the guarantor of the Jerusalem State to be established

(Image)

Doesnt really belong in this thread.

I shared it because I saw it as a problem of the Jewish community. Did i go wrong

I will say that the Republic of Jerusalem flag looked nice

Thank you Did I say that I am 0.2% Ashkenazi Jewish ?

[Ethel mermania]

Correct, it does not. This is a religious discussion thread.

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum, go find the old Mid-East politics thread and revive it. I give you permission, if it's past the four-weeks limit.

Doesnt really belong in this thread.

I shared it because I saw it as a problem of the Jewish community. Did i go wrong

I will say that the Republic of Jerusalem flag looked nice

Thank you Did I say that I am 0.2% Ashkenazi Jewish ?

Yes, yes you did. Take it to the mideast politics thread, this ain't it.

[Rojava Free State]

Look I'm not trying to hate here, but being 0.2% Jewish doesn't make you jewish. I'm around 15% black and I sure as hell wouldn't be considered black by anyone except Lord Jamar.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Look I'm not trying to hate here, but being 0.2% Jewish doesn't make you jewish. I'm around 15% black and I sure as hell wouldn't be considered black by anyone except Lord Jamar.

Yeah but that doesn't change the fact that I'm like this.Actually we are all brothers

[Nakena]

Thoughts on Lilith?

(apparently she was retconned out of the christian Bible... because reasons)

The progenitor of our race

What's that? I've also exceeded the number of Evangelion references I can make this year? Shit

Actually it was a thing it seems.

[Fahran]

Look I'm not trying to hate here, but being 0.2% Jewish doesn't make you jewish. I'm around 15% black and I sure as hell wouldn't be considered black by anyone except Lord Jamar.

If Sean King can claim blackness, you can claim blackness.

We do not do Jewishness by percentages. You're either Jewish or you're not. That said, there's nothing wrong with being proud of Jewish ancestors either.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Look I'm not trying to hate here, but being 0.2% Jewish doesn't make you jewish. I'm around 15% black and I sure as hell wouldn't be considered black by anyone except Lord Jamar.

If Sean King can claim blackness, you can claim blackness.

We do not do Jewishness by percentages. You're either Jewish or you're not. That said, there's nothing wrong with being proud of Jewish ancestors either.

Even if you agree or not, I have Judaism in my genetics,the voice of science says this. I am proud to be only Turkish but i like to know my genetics

[Rojava Free State]

Look I'm not trying to hate here, but being 0.2% Jewish doesn't make you jewish. I'm around 15% black and I sure as hell wouldn't be considered black by anyone except Lord Jamar.

If Sean King can claim blackness, you can claim blackness.

We do not do Jewishness by percentages. You're either Jewish or you're not. That said, there's nothing wrong with being proud of Jewish ancestors either.

Well of course if one doesn't practice the Jewish culture and doesn't identify as such, then they aren't jewish. The best that can be said is they're caucasian/west eurasian, and even that isn't really important. Ones culture matters more than their genes

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

If Sean King can claim blackness, you can claim blackness.

We do not do Jewishness by percentages. You're either Jewish or you're not. That said, there's nothing wrong with being proud of Jewish ancestors either.

Well of course if one doesn't practice the Jewish culture and doesn't identify as such, then they aren't jewish. The best that can be said is they're caucasian/west eurasian, and even that isn't really important. Ones culture matters more than their genes

This is your opinion. science deals with facts