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[Menassa]

Shouldn't be,

Why the interest?

I only really experienced Judaism through the Christianized Old Testament (which is not a very good way to experience a whole other religion) so I would like to attend one to see real actual Judaism in person without being filtered through by an entirely different faith. It's never been a burning fervor, but it has been in the back of my mind for a long time.

A reform congregation would not be a good place to start if you're looking for a Judaism that most closely mirrors what you have read in the Old Testament.

How can I compare... it'd be like going to a megachurch to experience 'actual Christianity.'

[Fahran]

A reform congregation would not be a good place to start if you're looking for a Judaism that most closely mirrors what you have read in the Old Testament.

How can I compare... it'd be like going to a megachurch to experience 'actual Christianity.'

I still maintain that Moses Mendelssohn was a good boy.

[Ethel mermania]

I only really experienced Judaism through the Christianized Old Testament (which is not a very good way to experience a whole other religion) so I would like to attend one to see real actual Judaism in person without being filtered through by an entirely different faith. It's never been a burning fervor, but it has been in the back of my mind for a long time.

A reform congregation would not be a good place to start if you're looking for a Judaism that most closely mirrors what you have read in the Old Testament.

How can I compare... it'd be like going to a megachurch to experience 'actual Christianity.'

Now, now...

[Menassa]

A reform congregation would not be a good place to start if you're looking for a Judaism that most closely mirrors what you have read in the Old Testament.

How can I compare... it'd be like going to a megachurch to experience 'actual Christianity.'

I still maintain that Moses Mendelssohn was a good boy.

Perhaps as an individual.

A reform congregation would not be a good place to start if you're looking for a Judaism that most closely mirrors what you have read in the Old Testament.

How can I compare... it'd be like going to a megachurch to experience 'actual Christianity.'

Now, now...

Maybe Megachurch was the wrong example, perhaps Unitarian Universalist?

[Ethel mermania]

I still maintain that Moses Mendelssohn was a good boy.

Perhaps as an individual.

Now, now...

Maybe Megachurch was the wrong example, perhaps Unitarian Universalist?

That is better, but the unitarians I dealt with weren't really into jesus, although they were just as, if not more new age'ee as our reform.

But to answer the question for a sample of traditional judiasm, he would need a guide with him for anything but reform or reconstructionist. That said reform or reconstructional isnt traditional.

[Camelone]

Question for the good folk here. What is your opinion on Christian Jews or the like, such as Christians who are not ethnically Jewish but keep many of the Jewish customs and celebrate the holidays? I got into a good natured argument with my girlfriend, she is a non-denominational Christian who does practice a decent amount of Jewish practices, about the extant that Judaism should influence Christianity, I’m a very high church American Anglican by the way. So yeah just was wondering what your thoughts are on this.

[Fahran]

Question for the good folk here. What is your opinion on Christian Jews or the like, such as Christians who are not ethnically Jewish but keep many of the Jewish customs and celebrate the holidays? I got into a good natured argument with my girlfriend, she is a non-denominational Christian who does practice a decent amount of Jewish practices, about the extant that Judaism should influence Christianity, I’m a very high church American Anglican by the way. So yeah just was wondering what your thoughts are on this.

Christians Jews would be, to use the term loosely, apostates. This can mean, depending on your view, that they and their children have been lost to the Nation of Israel and/or that they have and are persistently violating a number of mitzvot. Judaism, on the whole, does not condone this unless you get into the super liberal denominations. With regard to Christians practicing Jewish customs, it strikes me as a bit odd given that they're not Jewish and that Christianity seems to have taken a rather stern line against Judaizers as it became more so a Greek religion.

[Menassa]

Question for the good folk here. What is your opinion on Christian Jews or the like, such as Christians who are not ethnically Jewish but keep many of the Jewish customs and celebrate the holidays? I got into a good natured argument with my girlfriend, she is a non-denominational Christian who does practice a decent amount of Jewish practices, about the extant that Judaism should influence Christianity, I’m a very high church American Anglican by the way. So yeah just was wondering what your thoughts are on this.

You'd have to ask what the individual believes, if they align with all points of 5 point Calvinism but eat some bread on Saturday then they're probably a Christian. Furthermore, it seems like remaining Jewish misses a lot of points that the Christian project attempts to get across.

[Thermodolia]

I only really experienced Judaism through the Christianized Old Testament (which is not a very good way to experience a whole other religion) so I would like to attend one to see real actual Judaism in person without being filtered through by an entirely different faith. It's never been a burning fervor, but it has been in the back of my mind for a long time.

A reform congregation would not be a good place to start if you're looking for a Judaism that most closely mirrors what you have read in the Old Testament.

How can I compare... it'd be like going to a megachurch to experience 'actual Christianity.'

Hey!

[Menassa]

A reform congregation would not be a good place to start if you're looking for a Judaism that most closely mirrors what you have read in the Old Testament.

How can I compare... it'd be like going to a megachurch to experience 'actual Christianity.'

Hey!

Oy!

[Hanafuridake]

How much do you believe the events in the Torah literally happened and were not figurative or mythical?

[Neutraligon]

How much do you believe the events in the Torah literally happened and were not figurative or mythical?

Most where figurative, those that might not be are simply based on a kernel of truth.

[Ethel mermania]

How much do you believe the events in the Torah literally happened and were not figurative or mythical?

I dunno creation sort of works if you take the notion that a day to god and a day to a human is not the same thing.

[Neutraligon]

How much do you believe the events in the Torah literally happened and were not figurative or mythical?

I dunno creation sort of works if you take the notion that a day to god and a day to a human is not the same thing.

And pay no attention to the order. Nor pay attention to how evolution works.

[Ethel mermania]

I dunno creation sort of works if you take the notion that a day to god and a day to a human is not the same thing.

And pay no attention to the order. Nor pay attention to how evolution works.

Bang, light, dark, land water animals humans, sweet baby jesus I need a day off, kinda works

[Neutraligon]

And pay no attention to the order. Nor pay attention to how evolution works.

Bang, light, dark, land water animals humans, sweet baby jesus I need a day off, kinda works

you forgot plants which where made before the sun and moon.

[Ethel mermania]

Bang, light, dark, land water animals humans, sweet baby jesus I need a day off, kinda works

you forgot plants.

I didnt claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat plants.

Or

When plants file a complaint form, we will address that issue.

Or

As an internet meme says, "I am not a vegetarian because I love animals, it is because I hate plants".

[Fahran]

How much do you believe the events in the Torah literally happened and were not figurative or mythical?

Torah does not necessarily exist to give us the LITERAL truth but rather the SPIRITUAL and ETHICAL truth. You'll see even a lot of Orthodox rabbis say something to the same effect in my experience, though the extent to which this occur depends on the denomination, the congregation, and even the specific rabbi.

[Prydania]

How much do you believe the events in the Torah literally happened and were not figurative or mythical?

Torah does not necessarily exist to give us the LITERAL truth but rather the SPIRITUAL and ETHICAL truth. You'll see even a lot of Orthodox rabbis say something to the same effect in my experience, though the extent to which this occur depends on the denomination, the congregation, and even the specific rabbi.

Well said.

[Benuty]

This is the Jewish discussion thread, please take your comments about Israel elsewhere.

Is Israel not a Jewish state?

Thats actually a tricky theological box you want to be careful opening.

[Benuty]

I still maintain that Moses Mendelssohn was a good boy.

Perhaps as an individual.

Now, now...

Maybe Megachurch was the wrong example, perhaps Unitarian Universalist?

UU's seem to be a bad example honestly...I would say the reform fit in line more with Quakers, the ones that consider themselves actively of the religion (Christianity) that founded them and don't go into the spiritual black hole.

[Nakena]

Thoughts on Lilith?

(apparently she was retconned out of the christian Bible... because reasons)

[Benuty]

Question for the good folk here. What is your opinion on Christian Jews or the like, such as Christians who are not ethnically Jewish but keep many of the Jewish customs and celebrate the holidays? I got into a good natured argument with my girlfriend, she is a non-denominational Christian who does practice a decent amount of Jewish practices, about the extant that Judaism should influence Christianity, I’m a very high church American Anglican by the way. So yeah just was wondering what your thoughts are on this.

Christians Jews would be, to use the term loosely, apostates. This can mean, depending on your view, that they and their children have been lost to the Nation of Israel and/or that they have and are persistently violating a number of mitzvot. Judaism, on the whole, does not condone this unless you get into the super liberal denominations. With regard to Christians practicing Jewish customs, it strikes me as a bit odd given that they're not Jewish and that Christianity seems to have taken a rather stern line against Judaizers as it became more so a Greek religion.

This is actually an interesting topic.

A lot of Jewish oriented Christian sects split into the tribal system of Arabia, and as a result became some of the people Muhammad would later go on to recite versions of the gospel from. The Ebionites are one example of an original fringe sect, but it seems they got absorbed into Islam for rather obvious reasons.

I do wonder if Paul had focused his efforts on the east rather than roman west Christianity might have not been as easily absorbed by disgruntled Greek, and roman citizenry seeking meaning in their life.

[Hanafuridake]

Forgot to share this a few days ago, but a Cambodian princess had her bat mitzvah.

https://www.aish.com/jw/s/Cambodian-Pri ... tzvah.html

Dressed in traditional royal Cambodian garb, Elior and her family made speeches, lit a large menorah, and talked about their gratitude to God. Guests enjoyed a gala kosher meal. A few days later, in a separate royal ceremony, Elior and her parents and siblings were formally presented to King Norodom Sihamoni and the queen mother, Queen Norodom Monineath. "They said it was so wonderful that we chose to celebrate our daughter's birthday in Cambodia. It was wonderful to be all together with my family."

[Rojava Free State]

How much do you believe the events in the Torah literally happened and were not figurative or mythical?

I dunno creation sort of works if you take the notion that a day to god and a day to a human is not the same thing.

This would make for a great detail in an HP Lovecraft novel

What's that? I've exceeded my reference limit to lovecraft already for 2020? Ight, guess I can't mention him again till 2021