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[Reikoku]

I like jesus, nice Jewish boy, preached Judaism to Jews. He had nothing to do with outsiders.

Jesus interacted with outsiders numerous times, like when he healed the Roman centurion's servant or when he spoke to the Samaritan woman at the well.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Why?

Religious reasons mostly. I know that tattoos are a no no in Judaism, still didn’t stop me from getting one

Why not?

Christianity is far more vague regarding tattoos if I remember rightly.

Judaism is pretty explicit on it. To the point that some sects do not allow you to be buried in a Jewish cemetery if you got a tattoo

What daleel (evidence) do they have to say that?

[Prydania]

Jews, can I ask you a question? What is your opinion of Christians, Christianity and Jesus? I know answers will vary significantly, anywhere from Apostasy to False Messiah, to gateway between paganism and Judaism, but what are NS's Jews opinions?

False Messiah in so far as he's not the Messiah, but I don't think that means he's a bad guy or anything. He was (likely) a rabbi, had some interesting theological positions, seems alright.

As for Christians? I don't judge someone based on their faith. That's the Lord's job. Like I said earlier? I grew up in a smallish town where we were one of the few Jewish families around. Most of my friends are Christian, if only nominally. They're good people. I know there are Christians who are jerks, but that holds true for all groups.
So yeah. I have nothing against most modern day Christians.

As far as Christianity goes as a faith? My issues with it as a faith vary from denomination to denomination. Broadly? I still don't really "get" the Trinity as a concept. Or at least not how it can exist and still be understood to be monotheistic.
I also don't like how it tends to focus on the afterlife. Christianity, broadly, seems preoccupied with living this life in preparation for the afterlife. Which I think is a less-than-ideal outlook. This world, the one G-d gave us, shouldn't be overlooked.
I also find its proselytizing insulting. I'm aware that Christianity tells its adherents to spread the word but as a non-Christian? Being preached to can be insulting.
Besides. Christianity is the dominant religion in the Western world. You can't grow up in the West without being familiar with the story of Jesus, even if they aren't Christian. You can all consider the word spread
So stop preaching to the unconverted.

Now this is all in a modern sense. In a historical sense? Various Christian sects have been very unkind to the Jewish populations who lived in territory under their influence.
And we need to study this, understand it, and understand how it relates to modern antisemitism. Do I blame modern Christians who aren't antisemitic for the sins of Christian churches past? No. I don't blame them at all.

Still? History is history and even tragic history has value.

[Saiwania]

Not too long ago I saw the miniseries Holocaust (1978). One of Meryl Streep's earliest works. A major con about it is that it gets several if not many key events wrong for the era that is depicted, such as the implementation of the Nuremburg Laws in Germany and how Kristallnacht went down. But the German military and NSDAP uniforms seemed on point. I didn't see many costume flaws.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Not too long ago I saw the miniseries Holocaust (1978). One of Meryl Streep's earliest works. A major con about it is that it gets several if not many key events wrong for the era that is depicted, such as the implementation of the Nuremburg Laws in Germany and how Kristallnacht went down. But the German military and NSDAP uniforms seemed on point. I didn't see many costume flaws.

What makes you think it's ok to just waltz in here and talk about Nazis in a Jewish thread? What makes you think anyone here even cares? You literally made a "100 years of Nazism" thread, just post all the Nazi junk there.

[Saiwania]

What makes you think it's ok to just waltz in here and talk about Nazis in a Jewish thread? What makes you think anyone here even cares? You literally made a "100 years of Nazism" thread, just post all the Nazi junk there.

Its very relevant in that the main cast revolves around a fictional Jewish family. Each of them gets split up and winds up in different corners of Europe. The doctor or patriarch went to the Warsaw Ghetto. The son, a partisan of eastern Europe. This other son, in Buchenwald. The daughter, to the Hadamar Euthanasia Centre. There are a few more that slip my mind. But long story short, only a few survive and that aspect is more or less accurate. This is an essential part of Jewish history in Europe.

If anyone else has seen it, I'd like clarification as to whether the "breaking of a glass" is accurate to certain Jewish weddings or not. Does any glass suffice or is it limited to specific glasses if this is common?

[Menassa]

I feel as if "Noahidist" should be an option, I mean, throw, (don't forget, Gentiles outnumber the Jews...) but then again, I wonder if Noahdism should be its own thread.... Just out of curiosity, how many Noahidists are there in NSG?

It's not really a denomination of Judaism.

Jews, can I ask you a question? What is your opinion of Christians, Christianity and Jesus? I know answers will vary significantly, anywhere from Apostasy to False Messiah, to gateway between paganism and Judaism, but what are NS's Jews opinions?

"What's true, isn't new. What's new isn't true."

[Menassa]

I like jesus, nice Jewish boy, preached Judaism to Jews. He had nothing to do with outsiders.

Jesus interacted with outsiders numerous times, like when he healed the Roman centurion's servant or when he spoke to the Samaritan woman at the well.

"Salvation is of the Jews"

"I come only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel..."

[Menassa]

Judaism is pretty explicit on it. To the point that some sects do not allow you to be buried in a Jewish cemetery if you got a tattoo

What daleel (evidence) do they have to say that?

It's a common myth, you can be buried in a Jewish cemetery if you have tattoos. I don't think Jewish cemeteries would turn away Holocaust survivors...

[Menassa]

What makes you think it's ok to just waltz in here and talk about Nazis in a Jewish thread? What makes you think anyone here even cares? You literally made a "100 years of Nazism" thread, just post all the Nazi junk there.

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If anyone else has seen it, I'd like clarification as to whether the "breaking of a glass" is accurate to certain Jewish weddings or not. Does any glass suffice or is it limited to specific glasses if this is common?

The glass is broken to remind us that at every celebration the Temple still remains destroyed.

[Reikoku]

"Salvation is of the Jews"

"I come only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel..."

The first quote is from John 4:22 and is out of context.

19 “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. 20 Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.”

21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

25 The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”

26 Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”

[Menassa]

"Salvation is of the Jews"

"I come only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel..."

The first quote is from John 4:22 and is out of context.

19 “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. 20 Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.”

21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

25 The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”

26 Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”

That context that you added places him basically saying to her that she doesn't know where and who to worship... don't see how that helps your case.

[Reikoku]

The first quote is from John 4:22 and is out of context.

That context that you added places him basically saying to her that she doesn't know where and who to worship... don't see how that helps your case.

My case was that Jesus absolutely interacted with non-Jews and taught to them, in response to Ethel's assertion that Jesus "had nothing to do with outsiders."

[Menassa]

That context that you added places him basically saying to her that she doesn't know where and who to worship... don't see how that helps your case.

My case was that Jesus absolutely interacted with non-Jews and taught to them, in response to Ethel's assertion that Jesus "had nothing to do with outsiders."

Taught them that salvation is of the Jews?

[Reikoku]

My case was that Jesus absolutely interacted with non-Jews and taught to them, in response to Ethel's assertion that Jesus "had nothing to do with outsiders."

Taught them that salvation is of the Jews?

a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.

The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”

Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I like jesus, nice Jewish boy, preached Judaism to Jews. He had nothing to do with outsiders.

That seems rather xenophobic and chauvinistic.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

My case was that Jesus absolutely interacted with non-Jews and taught to them, in response to Ethel's assertion that Jesus "had nothing to do with outsiders."

Taught them that salvation is of the Jews?

What does that mean?

[Ethel mermania]

That context that you added places him basically saying to her that she doesn't know where and who to worship... don't see how that helps your case.

My case was that Jesus absolutely interacted with non-Jews and taught to them, in response to Ethel's assertion that Jesus "had nothing to do with outsiders."

Everyone in that period interacted with the Roman's. His ministry was to Jews. He didn't give a shit about the religious observance of others. Here is a good book on the topic


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealot: ... f_Nazareth

[The National Salvation Front for Russia]

Everyone in that period interacted with the Roman's. His ministry was to Jews. He didn't give a shit about the religious observance of others. Here is a good book on the topic


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealot: ... f_Nazareth

The wiki article does NOT fill me with confidence on the book's accuracy. In fact, quite the opposite, the author seems to be just another opportunist trying to make some dollahs by peddling controversial Christian views.

[Ethel mermania]

I like jesus, nice Jewish boy, preached Judaism to Jews. He had nothing to do with outsiders.

That seems rather xenophobic and chauvinistic.

Dont blame me, talk to jesus.

[Ethel mermania]

Everyone in that period interacted with the Roman's. His ministry was to Jews. He didn't give a shit about the religious observance of others. Here is a good book on the topic


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealot: ... f_Nazareth

The wiki article does NOT fill me with confidence on the book's accuracy. In fact, quite the opposite, the author seems to be just another opportunist trying to make some dollahs by peddling controversial Christian views.

2. The guy has 300 pages of primary source material in his bibliography, go argue with that.

[Reikoku]

Everyone in that period interacted with the Roman's. His ministry was to Jews. He didn't give a shit about the religious observance of others.

Yes, on the other hand, not everyone healed them and other non-Jews while Jesus did.

Here is a good book on the topic

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealot: ... f_Nazareth

The book suffers from numerous criticisms because of basic errors, over-simplifications, and an over reliance on sources that confirm the author's bias (particularly Josephus). I'm not saying it doesn't have some value, I've not read the text, but I wouldn't see it as a reliable source by any means based on serious issues raised by academics. It's a hot take at best.

[The National Salvation Front for Russia]

2. The guy has 300 pages of primary source material in his bibliography, go argue with that.

That's not an argument, that's just a cop out. How am I supposed to argue with a bunch of sources I can't read?

[Ethel mermania]

2. The guy has 300 pages of primary source material in his bibliography, go argue with that.

That's not an argument, that's just a cop out. How am I supposed to argue with a bunch of sources I can't read?

Buy the book, then read them. Then go argue with the author.

[The National Salvation Front for Russia]

Buy the book, then read them. Then go argue with the author.

I'm not going to argue with the author? I was commenting on the poor reception of the book and you brought up 300 pages (WOW!) of primary sources as if it was relevant.