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[Crimiea]

Not everyone believes ethnicities are entitled to land.

One of the first reason for Zionism was due to the persecution that Jews received from others in Europe, including the Holocaust. Israel has helped keep more Jews safe.

And that lovely Jewish autonomous state in Russia which isn't so Jewish as its name claims to be

[Sebastianbourg]

One of the first reason for Zionism was due to the persecution that Jews received from others in Europe, including the Holocaust. Israel has helped keep more Jews safe.

And that lovely Jewish autonomous state in Russia which isn't so Jewish as its name claims to be

The Jewish Oblast is almost totally non-Jewish; in 2007, the Jerusalem Post said only 4,000 Jews (out of a population of 176,558 remain)!

I'm not arguing against you; I'm just adding to what you've said.

[Ethel mermania]

No

In the states anyway, those tend to refer to politics only and not religious belief. Now there is a long tradition in America of jews being at the head of the early progressive movement. the first us labor union was formed by jews. But it's not a how religious thing. Orthodox rabbis were among the first to march with Dr Martin Luther King

But there are plenty of Progressive, Reform, and liberal synagogues who take varying stances as to how close one is obligated to follow the laws of Torah, which are MUCH more lentiant then the Conservative and Orthodox.

I must disagree with the idea that its "political"

The Wikipedia article says it's about the political commonality of reform and reconstructionalist temples. I am not crazy about the article.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

And that lovely Jewish autonomous state in Russia which isn't so Jewish as its name claims to be

The Jewish Oblast is almost totally non-Jewish; in 2007, the Jerusalem Post said only 4,000 Jews (out of a population of 176,558 remain)!

I'm not arguing against you; I'm just adding to what you've said.

Try looking back in history.

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Apparently, my friend absolutely loves the word Jew. He says he gets the normal euphoric saying, it rolls off his tongue.

[Vazdaria]

Has anyone here read the Tanya?

[Crimiea]

Has anyone here read the Tanya?

By Rabbi Zalman of Liadi? Then no, but I'd love to read it when I can.

[Vazdaria]

Has anyone here read the Tanya?

By Rabbi Zalman of Liadi? Then no, but I'd love to read it when I can.

I'm all about that Chabad.

[Evraim]

Not everyone believes ethnicities are entitled to land.

True, but most people disagree with them. Like the UN. And the governments of the world.

I must disagree with the idea that its "political"

Everything's political.

[The Conez Imperium]

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[Menassa]

What are the differences between Judaism and Christianity?

I have been raised from birth educated in only Anglican Christianity, I currently go to an Anglican Christian school, I have honestly no idea what Judaism is. I didn't even know that the ten commandments were the Aseret ha-Dibrot in Judaism.

/Ignorance

The word 'Dibrot' means 'things' or 'matters' and 'Aseret' means 10.

http://www.jewfaq.org/index.shtml
http://www.aish.com/

Links in my sig for Judaism Christianity related topics.

[Evraim]

Is it correct to say they're just organisations formed by cultural/ethnic Jews not willing to become full Jews or something like that? Kind of like Unitarian Universalists in Christianity.

Did somebody say Reform?

I would say that this description is generally incorrect, at least among the people who are genuine about their faith. A decent number of people become or remain within Reform Judaism because they view Orthodox Judaism as too difficult or too strict. This isn't the proper rationalization for Reform Judaism. Reform and Liberal Judaism are both interested in modernizing the practice of religious Judaism, though Liberal Judaism is more radical as a general rule. Originally, Reform Jews were no less strict in their behavior than Orthodox Jews, but the principal theological difference is that they viewed the mitzvot as guidelines, not immutable rules. In a sense, what made one Jewish was a commitment to Jewish values as opposed to Jewish rituals.

Progressive Judaism is an umbrella term that includes both of the aforementioned groups and the Reconstructionists, who I don't really consider Jewish at all with regards to their faith. They're deists or atheists who put a kippah on their beliefs and political attitudes and call them Judaism. They use Jewish imagery, but the essence of what they preach is completely different.

[Menassa]

Is it correct to say they're just organisations formed by cultural/ethnic Jews not willing to become full Jews or something like that? Kind of like Unitarian Universalists in Christianity.

Did somebody say Reform?

I would say that this description is generally incorrect, at least among the people who are genuine about their faith. A decent number of people become or remain within Reform Judaism because they view Orthodox Judaism as too difficult or too strict. This isn't the proper rationalization for Reform Judaism. Reform and Liberal Judaism are both interested in modernizing the practice of religious Judaism, though Liberal Judaism is more radical as a general rule. Originally, Reform Jews were no less strict in their behavior than Orthodox Jews, but the principal theological difference is that they viewed the mitzvot as guidelines, not immutable rules. In a sense, what made one Jewish was a commitment to Jewish values as opposed to Jewish rituals.

Progressive Judaism is an umbrella term that includes both of the aforementioned groups and the Reconstructionists, who I don't really consider Jewish at all with regards to their faith. They're deists or atheists who put a kippah on their beliefs and political attitudes and call them Judaism. They use Jewish imagery, but the essence of what they preach is completely different.

Eh... Reform Judaism is a lot different now than it was back then.

[Sebastianbourg]

Is it correct to say they're just organisations formed by cultural/ethnic Jews not willing to become full Jews or something like that? Kind of like Unitarian Universalists in Christianity.

Did somebody say Reform?

I would say that this description is generally incorrect, at least among the people who are genuine about their faith. A decent number of people become or remain within Reform Judaism because they view Orthodox Judaism as too difficult or too strict. This isn't the proper rationalization for Reform Judaism. Reform and Liberal Judaism are both interested in modernizing the practice of religious Judaism, though Liberal Judaism is more radical as a general rule. Originally, Reform Jews were no less strict in their behavior than Orthodox Jews, but the principal theological difference is that they viewed the mitzvot as guidelines, not immutable rules. In a sense, what made one Jewish was a commitment to Jewish values as opposed to Jewish rituals.

Progressive Judaism is an umbrella term that includes both of the aforementioned groups and the Reconstructionists, who I don't really consider Jewish at all with regards to their faith. They're deists or atheists who put a kippah on their beliefs and political attitudes and call them Judaism. They use Jewish imagery, but the essence of what they preach is completely different.

Merci beaucoup; I'm not as ignorant now!

[Sebastianbourg]

Did somebody say Reform?

I would say that this description is generally incorrect, at least among the people who are genuine about their faith. A decent number of people become or remain within Reform Judaism because they view Orthodox Judaism as too difficult or too strict. This isn't the proper rationalization for Reform Judaism. Reform and Liberal Judaism are both interested in modernizing the practice of religious Judaism, though Liberal Judaism is more radical as a general rule. Originally, Reform Jews were no less strict in their behavior than Orthodox Jews, but the principal theological difference is that they viewed the mitzvot as guidelines, not immutable rules. In a sense, what made one Jewish was a commitment to Jewish values as opposed to Jewish rituals.

Progressive Judaism is an umbrella term that includes both of the aforementioned groups and the Reconstructionists, who I don't really consider Jewish at all with regards to their faith. They're deists or atheists who put a kippah on their beliefs and political attitudes and call them Judaism. They use Jewish imagery, but the essence of what they preach is completely different.

Eh... Reform Judaism is a lot different now than it was back then.

And here I was thinking I had become a little less ignorant.

[Evraim]

Eh... Reform Judaism is a lot different now than it was back then.

True. I'm kind of an Orthodox Reform Jew.

And here I was thinking I had become a little less ignorant.

What I said still pretty much applies. It's just that a lot of people follow the mitzvot less strictly, and some are only here because other forms of Judaism are too hard. It's like how Christians are more apt to keep religion in churches today.

[Menassa]

Eh... Reform Judaism is a lot different now than it was back then.

True. I'm kind of an Orthodox Reform Jew.

And here I was thinking I had become a little less ignorant.

What I said still pretty much applies. It's just that a lot of people follow the mitzvot less strictly, and some are only here because other forms of Judaism are too hard. It's like how Christians are more apt to keep religion in churches today.

I doubt any of them keep the family purity laws... and Kashrus is only minimized...

[Sebastianbourg]

True. I'm kind of an Orthodox Reform Jew.


What I said still pretty much applies. It's just that a lot of people follow the mitzvot less strictly, and some are only here because other forms of Judaism are too hard. It's like how Christians are more apt to keep religion in churches today.

I doubt any of them keep the family purity laws... and Kashrus is only minimized...

Okay so they're okay with gentiles marrying them and aren't as strict with their dietary laws?

[Evraim]

I doubt any of them keep the family purity laws... and Kashrus is only minimized...

That's what I meant by less strict, Men. I really ought to qualify my terms when dealing with you, you pesky frum bokher, lest you rip through everything I say and lead me to an early grave from stress.

Okay so they're okay with gentiles marrying them and aren't as strict with their dietary laws?

If you're asking about practices as opposed to beliefs, I'll shift gears. We're more likely to intermarry than other Jews, though some people prefer to continue the old tradition of not letting peas and mashed potatoes touch. Likewise, dietary laws are often approached individually as well, though it's quite common for Reform Jews to become more strict on important holidays.

[Ethel mermania]

I doubt any of them keep the family purity laws... and Kashrus is only minimized...

That's what I meant by less strict, Men. I really ought to qualify my terms when dealing with you, you pesky frum bokher, lest you rip through everything I say and lead me to an early grave from stress.

Okay so they're okay with gentiles marrying them and aren't as strict with their dietary laws?

If you're asking about practices as opposed to beliefs, I'll shift gears. We're more likely to intermarry than other Jews, though some people prefer to continue the old tradition of not letting peas and mashed potatoes touch. Likewise, dietary laws are often approached individually as well, though it's quite common for Reform Jews to become more strict on important holidays.

Strangely, the reform of today seem to be less reform than they were 25 years ago.

[Evraim]

That's what I meant by less strict, Men. I really ought to qualify my terms when dealing with you, you pesky frum bokher, lest you rip through everything I say and lead me to an early grave from stress.




If you're asking about practices as opposed to beliefs, I'll shift gears. We're more likely to intermarry than other Jews, though some people prefer to continue the old tradition of not letting peas and mashed potatoes touch. Likewise, dietary laws are often approached individually as well, though it's quite common for Reform Jews to become more strict on important holidays.

Strangely, the reform of today seem to be less reform than they were 25 years ago.

When modern needs change, Reform Judaism changes.

[Menassa]

I doubt any of them keep the family purity laws... and Kashrus is only minimized...

That's what I meant by less strict, Men. I really ought to qualify my terms when dealing with you, you pesky frum bokher, lest you rip through everything I say and lead me to an early grave from stress.

I intend to cause no stress.

[Menassa]

I doubt any of them keep the family purity laws... and Kashrus is only minimized...

Okay so they're okay with gentiles marrying them and aren't as strict with their dietary laws?

They aren't strict with anything...

[Evraim]

Okay so they're okay with gentiles marrying them and aren't as strict with their dietary laws?

They aren't strict with anything...

On the whole, no.

[Sebastianbourg]

Okay so they're okay with gentiles marrying them and aren't as strict with their dietary laws?

They aren't strict with anything...

So my earlier assessment of them comparing them to the Jewish version of Unitarian Universalists isn't completely wrong, right?

[Ethel mermania]

They aren't strict with anything...

So my earlier assessment of them comparing them to the Jewish version of Unitarian Universalists isn't completely wrong, right?

You don't have to believe in Jesus to be a universal unitarian. You have to accept a Jewish god to be reform. In theory anyway